the galah Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 (edited) turnover for todays meetings wouldn't have been helped by the issue stopping people making deposits,from the banks, into their tab accounts. hopefully they get it fixed by tomorrow. Edited December 10 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 6 minutes ago, the galah said: turnover for todays meetings wouldn't have been helped by the issue stopping people making deposits,from the banks, into their tab accounts. hopefully they get it fixed by tomorrow. Why was this? Winstone not wanting punting on the Dogs? Looked at the tote pools for Palmerston North and some were less than what the Brodster has offloaded by himself sometimes! I wonder whether todays crazy decision by Winston will mean that the greyhound punters will change to harness, you would hope and doubt they would go to gallops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 10 Author Share Posted December 10 an example of how much entains problem today has effected turnover. heres the entain/tab turnover in the win pool and then in brackets the tabcorp win pools for the same race. race 1-entain/tab 2197..tabcorp(1496),race 2- 2258.(1502)..race 3-2651...(2408), race 4 5616..(10,206) race 5-5916..(7872)...race 6-4332..((4907) race 7-3692..(4541) race 8 3004..(2387). to me,given the normal patterns, that indicates the entain issues have impacted the turnover amounts coming from their nz account holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 10 Author Share Posted December 10 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Brodie said: Why was this? Winstone not wanting punting on the Dogs? Looked at the tote pools for Palmerston North and some were less than what the Brodster has offloaded by himself sometimes! I wonder whether todays crazy decision by Winston will mean that the greyhound punters will change to harness, you would hope and doubt they would go to gallops? Technical issues to do with a 3rd party ,so they say...kept it vague to keep us guessing i suppose. turnover from 1 brodster normally equals about 20% of punters,today 1 brodster turnover = all punters that got a bet on. I think a lot of punters who bet on the dogs ,just like to have a bet running. Given many greyhound punters bet on a race,just for the sake of having an interest in the next race running, i think they most likely will just turn their attention to whatever the following race would be anyway. So i predict only very minimal ncrease to turnovers on harness racing here.Like those type of punters will already be betting on the harness product anyway if it happened to be the next race on the screen in front of them. Thats what i think from my observation of punters. As to the people who race the greyhounds. Well they have an awful lot of owners who own lots of dogs.And many of them own dogs in australia anyway.. I would guess they aren't going to turn to horse racing ,maybe there may be small numbers in a syndicate that might,but the reason they would be in a syndicate for a greyhound would often be because of the cheaper training bill for those type of owners anyway. Lead in sky coverage is the number 1 driver of turnover,but somehow i think having one dog race less,every half hour on a friday night or sunday,isn't going to increase nz horse racing sky coverage much,maybe a little here,but not much in australia and its australian betting that is difference between average and good betting pools. so personally,i think its just wishful thinking there will be any more than a very minimal impact on horse racing turnover from the greyhound shut down. Edited December 10 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 10 Author Share Posted December 10 (edited) i see the tab website still saying you cant deposit money from banks into accounts so sounds like a trip to a money machine then to a tab required to make a deposit into account,if it continues to be a problem.. Edited December 10 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 19 hours ago, Brodie said: Looked at the tote pools for Palmerston North and some were less than what the Brodster has offloaded by himself sometimes! Back in the good old days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 6 hours ago, the galah said: i see the tab website still saying you cant deposit money from banks into accounts so sounds like a trip to a money machine then to a tab required to make a deposit into account,if it continues to be a problem.. Very old school. Although for me it was pay packet to TAB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted December 13 Share Posted December 13 I think people in charge are barking up the wrong tree if they assume greyhound punters are going to become horse punters (and owners). Government seem to think greyhound punters are problem gamblers. Maybe they are but, as Dean from Entain remarked way back at the beginning, the appeal of the dogs is the quick fire nature of the sport. I would have thought pokie and casino type punting is more their go. It seems funny Entain is taking this so quietly when you look at the total revenue that potentially could be lost to racing altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 13 Author Share Posted December 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Special Agent said: I think people in charge are barking up the wrong tree if they assume greyhound punters are going to become horse punters (and owners). Government seem to think greyhound punters are problem gamblers. Maybe they are but, as Dean from Entain remarked way back at the beginning, the appeal of the dogs is the quick fire nature of the sport. I would have thought pokie and casino type punting is more their go. It seems funny Entain is taking this so quietly when you look at the total revenue that potentially could be lost to racing altogether. there must be many variables that surely people in the thorougbred industry or the harness industry must have worked out prior to the annoucemnet,just in case so to speak. well maybe not the harness industry, as i don't have much confidence in how they do their maths or even if they have shown any interest in doing any maths. But the thoroughbred industry,you would think have some figures worked out. For example ,once the nz greyhound industry folds you would think winston will sort it out so that the income from revenue generated by wagering on overseas greyhound racing,in particular australian greyhounds,which must be significant,well that income you would think will now go to the racing codes. Now i would imagine,the thoroughbred people will try and get it so they get the mmaximum slice they can,whether they argue it be market share or whatever. harness racing have to be proactive. Forget supporting the greyhound industry.Given the state of their books,its every man or horse industry,for themselves. remember,edward renell,head of greyhound nz,is doing the racing industry no favours whatsoever by currently highlighting the comparisons between the current greyhound issues,with the horse racing industries. lets hope hrnz are already formulating a plan to pitch for as mush of that money as they can. Of course,harness racing need to include in that pitch to winston,that they have been impacted greater by the greyhound announcement due to the income they will lose from having no greyhound racing at the tracks which are dual coded like addington. Edited December 13 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted December 13 Share Posted December 13 9 minutes ago, the galah said: For example ,once the nz greyhound industry folds you would think winston will sort it out so that the income from revenue generated by wagering on overseas greyhound racing,in particular australian greyhounds,which must be significant,well that income you would think will now go to the racing codes. Of course,harness racing need to include in that pitch to winston,that they have been impacted greater by the greyhound announcement due to the income they will lose from having no greyhound racing at the tracks which are dual coded like addington. They would have to be very hypocritical to accept bets on dogs from elsewhere if it's a no goer here, as for the harness clubs the lost revenue will be significant I've heard a figure of over 100000 that Ascot Park may miss out on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted December 13 Share Posted December 13 "For example ,once the nz greyhound industry folds you would think winston will sort it out so that the income from revenue generated by wagering on overseas greyhound racing,in particular australian greyhounds,which must be significant,well that income you would think will now go to the racing codes." If this grand plan of rehoming thousands of greyhounds goes ahead this revenue might have to fund it. They can't cut all revenue and then not allow the shooting of dogs. A poorly thought out plan in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 13 Author Share Posted December 13 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Special Agent said: "For example ,once the nz greyhound industry folds you would think winston will sort it out so that the income from revenue generated by wagering on overseas greyhound racing,in particular australian greyhounds,which must be significant,well that income you would think will now go to the racing codes." If this grand plan of rehoming thousands of greyhounds goes ahead this revenue might have to fund it. They can't cut all revenue and then not allow the shooting of dogs. A poorly thought out plan in my opinion. but rehoming will be over and done with within a couple of years. you would think winston would use government funds to provide for the rehoming,as it was a government decision,not racing funds for that ..maybe some overseas greyhound revenue initially only,if at all. what plan is poorly thought out.The rehoming thing by government? i agree with that. seems very unrealistic,which is why our thoughts are with the poor dogs and the people who own them. as to the plan as to where the money goes thats generated from greyhounds racing overseas. I guarantee winston and the officails that made that decision would be aware where that revenue will go. racing has to grab with both hands any windfall that comes there way,whether it be at the greyhounds expense. the nz government is shutting down the greyhound industry based on greyhound issues. Edited December 13 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 13 Author Share Posted December 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikeynz said: They would have to be very hypocritical to accept bets on dogs from elsewhere if it's a no goer here, as for the harness clubs the lost revenue will be significant I've heard a figure of over 100000 that Ascot Park may miss out on. thats a little silly in lots of ways isn't it? Saying because greyhound punters and supporters can't enjoy there sport here,lets deprive them of it totally. ascot park has gallops as well ,i wonder what addington will lose? Edited December 13 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Girl Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 They will ban gambling on greyhound racing in NZ, i have no doubt. There's countries around the world who have banned gambling on dogs before even banning the sport itself. Society has to ask where we want to draw the line... greyhound racing gone, horse racing? Equestrian? Rodeo? Live exports? Shall we draw the line there? Or will we roll over and let gambling,hunting,farming, fishing get banned aswell ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 15 Share Posted December 15 1 hour ago, That Girl said: They will ban gambling on greyhound racing in NZ, i have no doubt. There's countries around the world who have banned gambling on dogs before even banning the sport itself. Society has to ask where we want to draw the line... greyhound racing gone, horse racing? Equestrian? Rodeo? Live exports? Shall we draw the line there? Or will we roll over and let gambling,hunting,farming, fishing get banned aswell ? Ban WOKEISM and things would be far better for everyone. The fact is that Greyhounds are going to become extinct just for a stupid decision. There has to be more to it than supposed cruelty to greyhounds when there is so msny more important issues than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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