the galah Posted Monday at 08:01 AM Share Posted Monday at 08:01 AM (edited) It looked like the stipes gave sam ottley an early christmas gift when they only gave her a warning for her drive on piccadily pete. Seems thats all a driver gets when they deliberately squeeze up a runner inside them. the whole thing seemed quite unusual. Clearly wilson house made a perfectly legal move to come off the fence,but even if ottley didn't agree with that,you can't allow drivers to react as she did. if that was a low profile driver,i'm guessing they would have got a long holiday. sam ottley has been driving extremely well for a long period of time,but that drive looked potentially dangerous. It was lucky the horse who copped the squueze was such an experiencced horse and didn't panic. Edited Monday at 08:05 AM by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted Monday at 06:50 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:50 PM 10 hours ago, the galah said: It looked like the stipes gave sam ottley an early christmas gift when they only gave her a warning for her drive on piccadily pete. Seems thats all a driver gets when they deliberately squeeze up a runner inside them. the whole thing seemed quite unusual. Clearly wilson house made a perfectly legal move to come off the fence,but even if ottley didn't agree with that,you can't allow drivers to react as she did. if that was a low profile driver,i'm guessing they would have got a long holiday. sam ottley has been driving extremely well for a long period of time,but that drive looked potentially dangerous. It was lucky the horse who copped the squueze was such an experiencced horse and didn't panic. It appears that Wilson House pulled back and let Sam in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted Monday at 11:06 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:06 PM 4 hours ago, Brodie said: It appears that Wilson House pulled back and let Sam in? Yes it was a great drive until he let her back in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted Tuesday at 01:56 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:56 AM (edited) 7 hours ago, Brodie said: It appears that Wilson House pulled back and let Sam in? it looked like he could see he had 2 choices, either pull back and prevent his horses legs from making contact with sam ottleys cart ,or stay where he was and have his horse potentially take the knock and most likely break and interfere with many in the field. He chose to take himself out of a potentially dangerous position he had been put into. if you look at the head of piccadily pete,that indicates the couple of delicate changes in the direction he was being steered in. these days the stipes seem to have their focus on penalising the whip rule, than actual driving indescretions. Edited Tuesday at 01:57 AM by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted Tuesday at 02:57 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:57 AM 3 hours ago, Nowornever said: Yes it was a great drive until he let her back in. think he had too once Sam started putting her wheel under his horses legs as they left the straight. It was a fine piece of battle if you look at it. Wilson had his wheel close to Sam's horses legs as he left the fence line as they approached the post a lap out. And she repaid him the favour lol. 🤣. I thought it looked all good and wouldn't be getting to excited about it if was a Steward. Perhaps The Galah mightn't be as Good a Steward as we were thinking he would be, if he's gunna worry about giving suspensions for that little jostle ? 😉 She didn't touch him (very close though 😆) so No problem 👍 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted Tuesday at 04:42 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 04:42 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: think he had too once Sam started putting her wheel under his horses legs as they left the straight. It was a fine piece of battle if you look at it. Wilson had his wheel close to Sam's horses legs as he left the fence line as they approached the post a lap out. And she repaid him the favour lol. 🤣. I thought it looked all good and wouldn't be getting to excited about it if was a Steward. Perhaps The Galah mightn't be as Good a Steward as we were thinking he would be, if he's gunna worry about giving suspensions for that little jostle ? 😉 She didn't touch him (very close though 😆) so No problem 👍 . If you apply the thinking, that there has to be contact before someone can get penalized for squeezing up another driver,then yes she did nothing wrong. but i think that logic is flawed and sets a precedent with dangerous flow on consequences.But,hey, that seems to have been the stipes thinking,which is why i have pointed this incident out.Is that their standard for safety? I can stop the video at the point where W House is 1 1/4 lengths in front of s ottley ,at which point hes half way out,then i can stop it again when hes still 1 length in front of her,fully in the one off line. as i say, video can be stopped showing hes hard on the back of the horse in front of him with s ottley a full length behind him. so given he clearly was allowed to be where he was,the stipes agreed with that in there summary,so ask yourself this,why did W House pull back and let ottley take the position he held, 100m later?. S ottley has done a lot of driving for the houses over the years,so i guess w house didn't say much,but the video tells the story. i highlighted it,because you don't see that type of intentional driving much and theres a reason for that. like i have said,if that was someone less prominent ,doing exactly the same thing, then they would have got a holiday for sure. Edited Tuesday at 04:47 AM by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted Tuesday at 05:14 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 05:14 AM (edited) having said all the above,its just a talking point. i see the tab has reduced her price to drive 100 winners in a season to 2.25. I think i heard the whale say a week or so ago she was at $3.50,which he thought was a good price to place a bet on,at that point. its under the banner senational season for sam on the tab website. theres only 8 more meetings in the south island ,so if she were to turn up at them all, she would have to drive an average of 1 winner per meeting. thats still a big ask,but she sure has been driving well all year. Edited Tuesday at 05:15 AM by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted Tuesday at 05:21 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:21 AM 22 minutes ago, the galah said: If you apply the thinking, that there has to be contact before someone can get penalized for squeezing up another driver,then yes she did nothing wrong. yeah but Wilson was being 'cheeky' leaving the fence from the pole draw when he did. I wouldn't blame Sam being annoyed. Have a Look at the Interdominion Final last Saturday night . Very experienced reinsman Brad Hewitt. Had just Won the Interdominion TROT 3/4 hour earlier. Brad Tries to be a smartie-pants and leave the fence early with his runner from 4 back the fence . (the same spot where Wilson House was ? ) But driving Captains Knock but they got to the First Bend, and NERANO was laying all over him trying to keep a position in the running line. Nerano of Grimson's . Also with a very good reinsman in Jack Callaghan aboard , SO they locked wheels and both their chances Gooonnneee in a flash. they were at the back of the field and chances all but gone. Who was to blame ? Stewards suspended young Sanderson , who pushed out from behind the tiring My Moonlite Dream (who ran last ) . Sanderson had no choice ?? he ran 5th with Dangerous in the end. Had to push out . Hewitt actually took a runner out of play with his early manouver. Heavy contact And got away Scot free ? lol. no justice in that . I'd of given him a decent Holiday . Hewitt made BIG CONTACT destroying his horses chances (and another runner) . way worse than anything Sam did at Rangiora. (IMO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted Tuesday at 05:30 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 05:30 AM 3 minutes ago, Gammalite said: yeah but Wilson was being 'cheeky' leaving the fence from the pole draw when he did. I wouldn't blame Sam being annoyed. Have a Look at the Interdominion Final last Saturday night . Very experienced reinsman Brad Hewitt. Had just Won the Interdominion TROT 3/4 hour earlier. Brad Tries to be a smartie-pants and leave the fence early with his runner from 4 back the fence . (the same spot where Wilson House was ? ) But driving Captains Knock but they got to the First Bend, and NERANO was laying all over him trying to keep a position in the running line. Nerano of Grimson's . Also with a very good reinsman in Jack Callaghan aboard , SO they locked wheels and both their chances Gooonnneee in a flash. they were at the back of the field and chances all but gone. Who was to blame ? Stewards suspended young Sanderson , who pushed out from behind the tiring My Moonlite Dream (who ran last ) . Sanderson had no choice ?? he ran 5th with Dangerous in the end. Had to push out . Hewitt actually took a runner out of play with his early manouver. Heavy contact And got away Scot free ? lol. no justice in that . I'd of given him a decent Holiday . Hewitt made BIG CONTACT destroying his horses chances (and another runner) . way worse than anything Sam did at Rangiora. (IMO) I agee with what you say about Hewitts drive in the pacers final.He took his horse and another out of playwith that move on the first bend. yet no action by the stipes for some reason. i think if we were stipes,we would have the odd argument but agree on 90%.lol. i would call wilson house move to come off the fence in the race being discussed,as one from a very switched on driver. Opportunity there to get a better tactical position there for just a second or two and he took it.Whoever wins that junior title,whether it be house or dalgety or thornley,they will have achieved it through skill and natural talent shown consistently throughout the year.House has really gone to a new level in the last 12 months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted Tuesday at 06:15 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:15 AM 21 minutes ago, the galah said: think if we were stipes,we would have the odd argument but agree on 90%.lol. i would call wilson house move to come off the fence in the race being discussed,as one from a very switched on driver. Opportunity there to get a better tactical position there for just a second or two and he took it. Young Wilson doing very well. Will possibly get the spot for the next Australasian Junior driver series if he keeps it up. and get a victory like Sam Thornley and Sarah O'Reilly have done recently (all going well in the new year) 35 minutes ago, the galah said: agee with what you say about Hewitts drive in the pacers final.He took his horse and another out of playwith that move on the first bend. yet no action by the stipes for some reason. and yet they suspended young Ryan Sanderson who did bugger all wrong (on Dangerous) and drove him well into 5th. See a old kiwi horse who got nothing over there in his last year of racing in NZ ran 4th . named TERRY. does show there are races for all sorts of those sort of horses to be won over here in Oz somewhere. Speaking of Hewitts (and Rangiora too) one of the Hewitts who moved to Queensland a year or 2 back just won today with INDIFFERENCE. a year ago it ran 3rd in a Rangiora maiden Nov 10th 2023. Has had 6 starts in Brissy for todays WIN and a couple last Summer when he last raced. It was backed $2.00 into $1.60 today.?? been heavily backed all 6 starts so must show some dash in training? I was dirty on it though 😂 as my One bet today was a horse I've been backing (because the owners are very good friends ) in SMARTER THAN YOU. Had 50 💰 bucks on it at 10-1 . couldn't believe the good odds. He Went well too. But only 2nd to that bloody OUR INDIFFERENCE NZ horse. Cut me out of a good collect. It didn't win by much. was hoping it would need a run or 2 , for fitness, but no such Luck. Smarter Than You is a Very very good horse and will win heaps . Daggy Lamb won for Nz the race after hahaha🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted Thursday at 07:07 AM Share Posted Thursday at 07:07 AM (edited) On 17/12/2024 at 7:50 AM, Brodie said: It appears that Wilson House pulled back and let Sam in? made me think of a car racing driver choosing to redress a dodgy passing manoeuvre rather than cop a penalty. Edited Thursday at 07:07 AM by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted Thursday at 09:10 AM Author Share Posted Thursday at 09:10 AM (edited) 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: made me think of a car racing driver choosing to redress a dodgy passing manoeuvre rather than cop a penalty. Do you reckon s ottley has been watching liam lawson. I don't think wilson house speaks japanese or spanish. i don't think sam ottley did a liam lawson and gave wilson house the one finger salute as she passed. Instead she just smiled as she went past him on her way to the winners circle. talking about sam ottley. I don't think HRNZ or entain are maximising her attempt to be the first ever woman to get 100 winners in a season. I can think of many ways they should be maximising the positive exposure she could bring to the sport. for example,every day HRNZ should have a pendulum arrow type thing,(like my car battery charger),that shows the % chance she is rated at the start,then end of each days racing between now and 31 december. Beside it should be he latest tab odd's with a link to the tab where you can place a bet on the option they have running on her attempt. the tab/entain should be doing the exact same thing with her photo and it should appear as the first segment of those 8 or 9 things that float along the top of the page when you logon to your account.(the bit where they promote bonus bets,Boys get paid boosted odds,etc,) thers lots of other ways as well.Why haven't hrnz got her on mainstream media? Edited Thursday at 09:14 AM by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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