captian hammerhead/ shepparton cup/punters outraged?

[the galah]

Having watched that race last night,i thought i had seen a good race with the winner,Captain hammerhead simply too good.

Tact mcleod,after a brief skip early.having his chance but struggled into about 6th and was never going well enough despite getting the 1/1.

This morning i read that captain hammerhead ,was disqualified because his driver dropped his leg for about 50m with 150m to go,when fighting out the finish with the second horse,when the two were well clear of the rest.

Its unclear whether the driver slipped or the move with his leg was deliberate. Now i think theres no way anyone can really know either way by just watching.

He did leave his leg downfor 50m and his horse may well have contacted his leg,but i'm sure we have all seen drivers who inadvertently drop a leg out of the cart take 50m to put it back in the footrests of the cart.

So,did the dropping of the leg make a difference from running first or second.

To me,there is doubt either way,but clearly over the last 100m,when he driver had returned his foot to the footrest,his horse pulled away significantly to win by about half a length.

Now ,o'm looking at that race from a punters perspective.

And if i was a punter,i would be outraged at thed decision to diaqualify the horse.

In fact i would go as far as tio say,it seemed incompetence by the stipes on the night to do what they did.

To disqualify the horse totally when the first 2 were lengths in fron of the field,even if they deemed he had gained some sort of advantage,just seems crazy.

In nz the driver may have got a $200 fine or maybe a couple day suspension,but for the australian stipes to disqualify the horse and subject the industry to ridicule or anger,seems total incompetence and just unfair to the horses connections.

Clearly HRNZ victoria should look into the competence of thioose making that decision.

Notably,the race video has been remover from the austrailan harness website.

All other races on the night are on there.

Obviously,if it was a justifiable decision then they would have left the video up.That tells a story in itself.

I know its australia,and not nz,but punters here would have bet on that race.

If you want to see the video,you can see it on the TABNSW website.

They have all videos of races that have been run and put the nz harness up far quicker than HRNZ does.

Thats one of the reasons i say tabcorp website is far better than tabnz website,for racing.

Edited 18 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

22 minutes ago, the galah said:

Having watched that race last night,i thought i had seen a good race with the winner,Captain hammerhead simply too good.

Tact mcleod,after a brief skip early.having his chance but struggled into about 6th and was never going well enough despite getting the 1/1.

This morning i read that captain hammerhead ,was disqualified because his driver dropped his leg for about 50m with 150m to go,when fighting out the finish with the second horse,when the two were well clear of the rest.

Its unclear whether the driver slipped or the move with his leg was deliberate. Now i think theres no way anyone can really know either way by just watching.

He did leave his leg downfor 50m and his horse may well have contacted his leg,but i'm sure we have all seen drivers who inadvertently drop a leg out of the cart take 50m to put it back in the footrests of the cart.

So,did the dropping of the leg make a difference from running first or second.

To me,there is doubt either way,but clearly over the last 100m,when he driver had returned his foot to the footrest,his horse pulled away significantly to win by about half a length.

Now ,o'm looking at that race from a punters perspective.

And if i was a punter,i would be outraged at thed decision to diaqualify the horse.

In fact i would go as far as tio say,it seemed incompetence by the stipes on the night to do what they did.

To disqualify the horse totally when the first 2 were lengths in fron of the field,even if they deemed he had gained some sort of advantage,just seems crazy.

In nz the driver may have got a $200 fine or maybe a couple day suspension,but for the australian stipes to disqualify the horse and subject the industry to ridicule or anger,seems total incompetence and just unfair to the horses connections.

Clearly HRNZ victoria should look into the competence of thioose making that decision.

Notably,the race video has been remover from the austrailan harness website.

All other races on the night are on there.

Obviously,if it was a justifiable decision then they would have left the video up.That tells a story in itself.

I know its australia,and not nz,but punters here would have bet on that race.

If you want to see the video,you can see it on the TABNSW website.

They have all videos of races that have been run and put the nz harness up far quicker than HRNZ does.

Thats one of the reasons i say tabcorp website is far better than tabnz website,for racing.

I see harnesslink have that video on as well.

Edited 18 hours ago by the galah

[Withadream2]

The decision to put Captain Hammerhead back to last is so plainly absurd I think an enquiry needs to be initiated into the stewards actions and if there is corruption involved on their part. 

[Gammalite]

4 hours ago, Withadream2 said:

The decision to put Captain Hammerhead back to last is so plainly absurd I think an enquiry needs to be initiated into the stewards actions and if there is corruption involved on their part. 

Such a poor poor decision . By the stewards it defies belief? .  

AHR website is so Embarassed they refuse to put the race back up again. Luckily it was there for an hour last night so I got to see what All the fuss was about.

Is almost RIOTessly Funny they won't put up a video where No horse or driver was injured. (The reason they sometimes delete video replays) but a Bloke dropping his leg out of the Footrest ??? 🤣😂. the dastardly rascal.

Stupid , stupid is . A Group 3 race video not put up because of the Poor decision by Stewards. One of the weirdest decisions ( and reactions too , to try and keep people in the dark ) completely baffling. 

[Gammalite]

Well I guess after viewing video at a TAB site just now,  like The Galah suggested , David Moran had his leg down from the 200m to the 100m pole marks,  before putting his leg back up the last bit.

It must of been intentional as his leg moves 9 times with 9 strikes from Captain Hammerhead, without him wriggling his leg aside or anything. Must of therefore trying to scare the hammerhead that little bit more to get the victory and get past Kanena Provlima. so by the letter of the law . he was gaining an unfair advantage in making contact with the horse in that manner. 

 Whip flicking not gunna cut the mustard here?  lol.🤣  so perhaps relegate to 2nd ? they were well clear of 3rd. 

Bit of a tough one. Stewards job never easy. 

[the galah]

Chairman of stewards for HRV said this 

"The film was quite evident that the foot did become detached from the sulky and there was contact with the horses hind leg on a couple of occasions. We also believe mr morans foot stayed in the vicinity of the horses legs."

So basically the chairman of stewards has said they believed morans foot made contact at least twice.

So the HRV stewards concluded that the driver,who drives in thousands of races,has the state of mind to do something different, from what he has instinctively done tens of thousands of times over the past couple of decades.

This moran fella must be hell of a guy as ,as we saw with the nz whip rule here,most drivers do things instinctively when driving a horse out. 

And we are lead to believe that because he kept his foot down for over 50 metres,that the stewards believed he was making no effort to put it back in the footrest.

Now i've seen hundreds of drivers drop their foot down,deliberate or not,but its quite hard to get the brain lined up with the body and put the foot back in the footrest straight away when driving a horse with the whip. People should try it on their seat holding their foot,backwards and up, like moran was. Instinctively putting your foot straight back would not happen,you would think it would take about 50m to register with the brain. Thats why you see nearly all drivers taking that long when it happens at any time of a race,let alone one where a driver is also using a whip.

And the stewards believed that a good way for someone to allow their foot to make contact with their horses foot is to place ones foot back and up as moran did,not forward and down as would have worked better if that was the purpose.

Going on that stewards post race comments,to disqualify that horse and punish punters and connections seemingly based on the above assumptions seems bizzare.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by the galah