Who Rox The House …Ouch

[Newmarket]

You know what, yes I’m having a moan  because this cost me money….

WTF was Wiremu Pinn doing on this horse….3 nags missed the start, one ran off. 
 

WRTH settles just behind leaders in great spot… was counting my dough with the $6.50 I got fixed odds…closed at $3-70…

But, turns to crap. The 3 slow runners made ground, instead of moving off rail Pinn thought he would stay on rails… but then in straight thought there’s a heap of runners in the centre of track… let’s try my luck….. winner gone before running 3rd. Ironically if he had gone inside, could have driven a kenworth truck through. 

Yep, as I say, is my money talking, luckily bet EW, but it’s hard being a punter knowing that their selection picking was spot on, but the muppet on horse would rather be unlucky. 
If I had that horse, wouldn’t ride again

 

[Wingman]

Probably in three minds, want to do this or that but worried about the stipes smashing him if he does this or that

[barryb]

I am with you on this Newmarket.

Massive gap on the inside & he doesn’t go there, what’s bloody worse is there is no stripes questioning of the ride.

Was a shocker of a ride & he doesn’t get questioned, really?.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Wingman said:

Probably in three minds, want to do this or that but worried about the stipes smashing him if he does this or that

Since when do the gallops Stipes smash anyone on the choices the make?  Hell when are they going to give them a lecture about having a decent pace in a race?

In the Railway they ran the first half of the race five seconds slower than the second half.  

[Wingman]

My reference to 'smashing' was focusing on the individual jockey in question who gets little slack from the stipes 

[curious]

I beg to differ and I backed Rox @$7. The gap was there (just) when he made the decision about the 400. Kennedy then shifted out slightly making the gap impassable. On that track especially, it is also easier to keep the horse balanced easing out than cutting back in on the turn. Had he then cut back to the inside, he would have lost too much balance and momentum to win imo.

[curious]

If the gap had gone the other way and opened a fraction, the horse was bolting and it was all over rover. Everyone would be saying what a brilliant ride.

Edited Saturday at 02:51 PM by curious

[barryb]

Go back & watch the race video till the end Curious, it shows head on & there is at least a 5 mtr gap on the inside for 400 mtrs.

 

[Freda]

Haven't looked and won't comment on this - but lack of ability to read a race is sadly very prevalent in judicial rooms. Jockeys used to get pulled up for poor decisions,  i recall Bruce Craik ( stipe) taking all the riders in the room bar the winner and and giving them a ticking off for stupidity. 

Doesn't happen now - although a couple of years ago,  our head stipe did tell a jumps rider he should have let the reins go.

[Newmarket]

3 hours ago, curious said:

I beg to differ and I backed Rox @$7. The gap was there (just) when he made the decision about the 400. Kennedy then shifted out slightly making the gap impassable. On that track especially, it is also easier to keep the horse balanced easing out than cutting back in on the turn. Had he then cut back to the inside, he would have lost too much balance and momentum to win imo.

Look, I know punting is never easy, it’s gambling and anything can happen, as I backed it EW I only lost small amount …. but it peeved me off so much I didn’t have another bet at TAB / Betcha all day in protest. Used Sportsbet n Aus racing and even NBA…. but below are a few points.

1, WP chose to get pocketed around 600m from home. He had every option to track up on the outside, chose to go inside as horse that missed start took that place. 
 

2, That resulted WP in tight racing room turning for home, had plenty of time to react, not a big field and while runners were racing together tight, it was very compact, 3 odd metres inside  or wider and he would have had a clear run to line. 
 

They interviewed him after winning on hotpot…. was asked about being 3 wide in small field, he said he should have gone around earlier, sadly never mentioned first race. 
 

Stipes should have asked question, as didn’t give horse every chance to win

[curious]

3 hours ago, barryb said:

Go back & watch the race video till the end Curious, it shows head on & there is at least a 5 mtr gap on the inside for 400 mtrs.

 

Yes. It's that vision I was relying on. Watched it several times. He would have had to take up and shift in 4-5 horse widths and wouldn't have won if he had done so imo.

[Newmarket]

2 hours ago, curious said:

Yes. It's that vision I was relying on. Watched it several times. He would have had to take up and shift in 4-5 horse widths and wouldn't have won if he had done so imo.

Are you watching same race? 
Was 3 back on the inner, before the 300m mark you can see a clear run on the inside, but WP has decided to try his luck in the middle of field, surely he would have seen horses arriving outside, 

[Special Agent]

I haven't watched the race either.  There are two totally different opinions above on the ride.  Sounds like Wiremu made a decision that neither won him the race nor put him under judicial review.

It seems Newmarket's comments are influenced by the money invested.

[Wingman]

16 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

It seems Newmarket's comments are influenced by the money invested.

Ha Ha, wait for Newmarket's retort Special Agent as hell hath no fury like that of a losing punter scorned

[Newmarket]

39 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

I haven't watched the race either.  There are two totally different opinions above on the ride.  Sounds like Wiremu made a decision that neither won him the race nor put him under judicial review.

It seems Newmarket's comments are influenced by the money invested.

Well, I did mention I punted it, $200 EW a big bet for me, in fact biggest one since before Xmas. 
 

So is it my money speaking, 50/50 I suppose. Got most of my money back, but yes I think it would have gone close with a better ride, so maybe it was a chance to collect. 
Main point is the ride was not even questioned….maybe somebody could post race on thread. 
 

Just remember,it  wasn’t a runner last on rails in a 16 horse race, we know that happens all the time, this was totally different

[SLB2.0]

Some jockeys have good tactical minds (JMac) and some don't (Pinn)

[Chief Stipe]

14 hours ago, SLB2.0 said:

Some jockeys have good tactical minds (JMac) and some don't (Pinn)

Hardly a fair comparison given the difference in ability of the horses they ride.

As they all do Macdonald can get a ride terribly wrong - sometimes he admits it sometimes he blames the track.  Good horses give you a lot of scope tactically.  Some types of horse racing patterns he isn't suited to as much as others.

Pinn is a very good rider and his strike rate is up there with the top 4 in NZ.

[SLB2.0]

Of course, every jockey gets it wrong from time to time. And saying it's because they ride different quality of horses is akin to saying Lewis Hamilton was only a good driver because he was in the fastest car.

Whilst it's true, he was in the fastest car because he was the best driver. McDonald rides the best because he's the best.

 

[Newmarket]

34 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

Of course, every jockey gets it wrong from time to time. And saying it's because they ride different quality of horses is akin to saying Lewis Hamilton was only a good driver because he was in the fastest car.

Whilst it's true, he was in the fastest car because he was the best driver. McDonald rides the best because he's the best.

 

If Leo Molloy was riding Rox…. It would have won for sure….🫣

[SLB2.0]

44 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

If Leo Molloy was riding Rox…. It would have won for sure….🫣

30 years ago, maybe. Now, the poor horse would have to be put down carrying that much weight.