Someone dial 111 Marketplace

[Forbury]

Marketplace was more dead than williedoit run before the derby marketplace was the most dead drive you could ever see and the cognitive impairments steward Steve malcay will do nothing it was more dead than amazing dream when beyond words won beating as 1.10 favourite nz racing is in so much trouble when drivers jockeys get away robbing so much money from punters Craig Ferguson should get two years suspension and a six month jail term for that there is zero integrity in NZ horse racing proven by harness best 3 year old and racings best 3 year old NZ racing is a disgrace 

[Brodie]

25 minutes ago, Forbury said:

Marketplace was more dead than williedoit run before the derby marketplace was the most dead drive you could ever see and the cognitive impairments steward Steve malcay will do nothing it was more dead than amazing dream when beyond words won beating as 1.10 favourite nz racing is in so much trouble when drivers jockeys get away robbing so much money from punters Craig Ferguson should get two years suspension and a six month jail term for that there is zero integrity in NZ horse racing proven by harness best 3 year old and racings best 3 year old NZ racing is a disgrace 

Forbury, To be fair, Auckland is a track that a lot of hot favourites get beaten on due to the size of the track and the type of racing on it!

If you are bold enough to back short favourites to win on Alexandra Park, then you need to accept losing your dosh, even if the drive was a shocker.

Best horse in the race by far but just wasnt given any chance.

We all have our ways of making money, whether it is normal working hours or by way of punting!

What I would guarantee is that there would be very few if any that would be making enough money to make it worthwhile, betting on shorties to win at Alexandra Park!

[the galah]

I agree that the race was a very bad look for the industry.

anyone who says it wasn't is denying the obvious.

When your driving such a high profile horse,paying a $1.40 ,you have a responsibilty to put your horse in the race when they are running times slower than they run at the workouts..  Non win trotters go faster mid race at auckland than they did in that race.

Yet the driver of the best 3 year old in nz chose to give his horse no chance of winning,because he apparantly is more interested in next week.

Greg o'connor making excuses for the drive after the race was a bit of a laugh moment as well. 

mr o'connor must know people watching aren't that stupid.Horses aren't going to have a hard run if the driver moves up and sits parked for the last round when they are running a 1/4 in 33 seconds. Non win trotters do it easily.

at least the whale seemed to have a more tranparent view,pointing out the race was a $60,000 race. 

[the galah]

2 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Forbury, To be fair, Auckland is a track that a lot of hot favourites get beaten on due to the size of the track and the type of racing on it!

 

But this one didn't get beaten because of either reason you mention.. It got beaten because of lack of intent by the driver.

[Nowornever]

1 minute ago, the galah said:

But this one didn't get beaten because of either reason you mention.. It got beaten because of lack of intent by the driver.

I agree almost drove to get it beaten. Isn't there a rule for that, considering it was a very short favourite? 

[Gammalite]

Well Carter drew the outside with a short priced favourite as well. Republican Party at $2.10 .

Mo'unga drawn out wide with Ferguson as well. The 2nd favourite.  never a chance. 

Both ran unplaced.

Like Marketplace drawn wide , you have to go somewhere in the running.???  

It's impossible from those barriers , and as Brodster observed, Alexandra Park with that sharp crank as they turn for home and going the wrong way round , JUST makes it that little Bit Harder even. 

Are we throwing the book at Carter for the PubParty drive ? ( at least Marketplace got a place !! lol 😆) 

[Nowornever]

24 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Well Carter drew the outside with a short priced favourite as well. Republican Party at $2.10 .

Mo'unga drawn out wide with Ferguson as well. The 2nd favourite.  never a chance. 

Both ran unplaced.

Like Marketplace drawn wide , you have to go somewhere in the running.???  

It's impossible from those barriers , and as Brodster observed, Alexandra Park with that sharp crank as they turn for home and going the wrong way round , JUST makes it that little Bit Harder even. 

Are we throwing the book at Carter for the PubParty drive ? ( at least Marketplace got a place !! lol 😆) 

No we are saying the time for the Marketplace race was a 2:02 mile rate and a 57 sec 800m so should have been put in the race, while the Republican Party race was 1:55 MR and a 54 half so no chance on that one.

Edited 8 hours ago by Nowornever

[Gammalite]

Just put Crystal on them. solve all the problems.

She's winning all over the place lol. Knocking off Dominion winner Oscar B and Marky Boy now with another great drive.  Kyvalley Hotspur too good. 

But speaking of intent , how good was it to see Jonny Cox finally have some with Pinseeker , who finally gets his 2nd win at Addington. didn't think he would beat Rakero Rebel as doesn't usually drive with intent like that lol 🤣

go go Jonny 💰.

 

[Nowornever]

2 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Just put Crystal on them. solve all the problems.

She's winning all over the place lol. Knocking off Dominion winner Oscar B and Marky Boy now with another great drive.  Kyvalley Hotspur too good. 

But speaking of intent , how good was it to see Jonny Cox finally have some with Pinseeker , who finally gets his 2nd win at Addington. didn't think he would beat Rakero Rebel as doesn't usually drive with intent like that lol 🤣

go go Jonny 💰.

 

Had to laugh at Matt Cross saying he would be going back with Rakero Rebel. Didn't he know Gavin "I only go forward" Smith was driving it. lol

Edited 8 hours ago by Nowornever

[Brodie]

Oscar Bonavena got beaten as well!

Personally have given up even acknowledging that Auckland racing is worth putting in the study!

The track just does not warrant wagering on it if you are looking to make money on it and too often there is too many from the one stable in the fields.

Too often the drivers just try to make up too much ground in the straight, best sticking to the best track in Australasia, Addington.

As I said previously if you are prepared to wager your hard earned $ on short price favourites then be prepared to lose as you are on a hiding to nothing if you expect to win long term on North Island racing.

 

[Gammalite]

1 minute ago, Nowornever said:

Had to laugh at Matt Cross saying he would be going back with Rakero Rebel. Didn't he know Gavin "I only go forward" Smith was driving it. lol

Gavin Smith . I did notice that in the trot . He kept attacking the hot Fav Bet N Win with his drive , and ran unplaced.

sure was a go forward drive at all costs alright 😆. 

What a great win by that trotter after that though . Bet N Win holding out Muscle Mountain who had cosy trip behind a stable-mate bunny.  Maybe 'Bet N Win' is the next big star trotter ?  Brodie would like his name anyway 🤣

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Oscar Bonavena got beaten as well!

Personally have given up even acknowledging that Auckland racing is worth putting in the study!

The track just does not warrant wagering on it if you are looking to make money on it and too often there is too many from the one stable in the fields.

Too often the drivers just try to make up too much ground in the straight, best sticking to the best track in Australasia, Addington.

As I said previously if you are prepared to wager your hard earned $ on short price favourites then be prepared to lose as you are on a hiding to nothing if you expect to win long term on North Island racing.

 

Think you're right Brodster. Loved the Park and went there a lot and even had some runners there in younger days when starting out. But they're better to sell it off, clear the debt, and have a track go in the right direction ( go to the left lol) 😆

North Island racing better to bet on than Australian trots tonight though. Those tracks pretty ordinary too, like Gloucester Park. You just don't know how to pick the Auckland winners 🤣. ya better stick to Pinseeker old mate 

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Well Carter drew the outside with a short priced favourite as well. Republican Party at $2.10 .

Mo'unga drawn out wide with Ferguson as well. The 2nd favourite.  never a chance. 

Both ran unplaced.

Like Marketplace drawn wide , you have to go somewhere in the running.???  

It's impossible from those barriers , and as Brodster observed, Alexandra Park with that sharp crank as they turn for home and going the wrong way round , JUST makes it that little Bit Harder even. 

Are we throwing the book at Carter for the PubParty drive ? ( at least Marketplace got a place !! lol 😆) 

 

Not sure why your comparing dalgetiy's drive with fergusons drive.

You only have to look at the sectionals that the commentator gave out to see they were totally different races.

Marketplace: ran a mile rate of 2.02.3   republican party :1.55.9

the 800m between the 1600m and 800m ran in:

marketplace:     66.3.

republican party:62.0

obviously drivers are expected to be able to assess how a race unfolds and adjust tactics accordingly.

i agree Carter dalgety on republican party didn't give his supporters much chance when not moving on a 400 run in 32.2.,but compare that to the 800m run slowly that ferguson just sat there and made no move  on a horse who everyone knew could have had he wanted to.

you refer to wide draws. Well marketplace drew 5,not 8 like republican party.

and of course,your favorite driver won the race from barrier 8.

Anyways,i'm not talking through my pocket.

Then we had in nz the trackside presenter,virtually saying after the race that the trainer had said pre race he was there for a conditiong run with the aim being  for the following week.

Mr o'connors comments didn't help,as the trainer said in his pre race interview "the horse is here to win". 

At least the whale expressed surprise that the driver chose to drive it the way he did,given the race was a group 2.

really,there is no fault that should be attached to the trainer on this occasion,its his driver,c fergsuon, who chose to treat the punters with no respect.

you know the stupidest thing about mr fergsuons drive,is if you see him driving a $1.40 favorite in a non win race at invercargill,you will see him trying to win every time. But in a group 2 race,he somehow thinks maintaining punters faith in drivers trying,somehow is irrelevant.

Edited 6 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

36 minutes ago, the galah said:

really,there is no fault that should be attached to the trainer on this occasion,its his driver,c fergsuon, who chose to treat the punters with no respect.

Well No One on this thread is treating the 2 horses that Quinellaed the race with any respect either.

Both Rubira and then the Choc's  (twice) both beat marketplace at his first 3 starts last year. easily too. by many lengths. 

There's Nothing wrong with those 2 horses. 

My bet was on 'Got the Chocolates' from the barrier draw.  I think he can win a Derby. Mark is of course always hard to beat. 

The problem is gallopers are allowed a run or 2 when returning from a spell to just run on late, and many many just do that and run on late , with no questions asked , and win at 2nd or 3rd run back from a spell. Poor bloody pacer's expected to win ALL the Time lol. no matter what the opponent or anything. lol. 

Barrier draws can beat the best of them. 

Driver's just do what they think is best at the time. You saw it with Mo'unga early on in his career.  I was only joking about Carter being in trouble for not 'taking off sooner' . But essentially it was the same thing. Quite a good field of horses , and he ran on late first up. JOLIMONT is No Slug either.

Ferguson is no champion driver , but doing better than some . 

 

[Nowornever]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

really,there is no fault that should be attached to the trainer on this occasion,its his driver,c fergsuon, who chose to treat the punters with no respect.

You would think there would be something in the stipes report about why the horse was not put in the race until it was finished being a 1.40 favourite expected to win.

Have we got Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder doing it again this week?