Someone dial 111 Marketplace

[Forbury]

Marketplace was more dead than williedoit run before the derby marketplace was the most dead drive you could ever see and the cognitive impairments steward Steve malcay will do nothing it was more dead than amazing dream when beyond words won beating as 1.10 favourite nz racing is in so much trouble when drivers jockeys get away robbing so much money from punters Craig Ferguson should get two years suspension and a six month jail term for that there is zero integrity in NZ horse racing proven by harness best 3 year old and racings best 3 year old NZ racing is a disgrace 

[Brodie]

25 minutes ago, Forbury said:

Marketplace was more dead than williedoit run before the derby marketplace was the most dead drive you could ever see and the cognitive impairments steward Steve malcay will do nothing it was more dead than amazing dream when beyond words won beating as 1.10 favourite nz racing is in so much trouble when drivers jockeys get away robbing so much money from punters Craig Ferguson should get two years suspension and a six month jail term for that there is zero integrity in NZ horse racing proven by harness best 3 year old and racings best 3 year old NZ racing is a disgrace 

Forbury, To be fair, Auckland is a track that a lot of hot favourites get beaten on due to the size of the track and the type of racing on it!

If you are bold enough to back short favourites to win on Alexandra Park, then you need to accept losing your dosh, even if the drive was a shocker.

Best horse in the race by far but just wasnt given any chance.

We all have our ways of making money, whether it is normal working hours or by way of punting!

What I would guarantee is that there would be very few if any that would be making enough money to make it worthwhile, betting on shorties to win at Alexandra Park!

[the galah]

I agree that the race was a very bad look for the industry.

anyone who says it wasn't is denying the obvious.

When your driving such a high profile horse,paying a $1.40 ,you have a responsibilty to put your horse in the race when they are running times slower than they run at the workouts..  Non win trotters go faster mid race at auckland than they did in that race.

Yet the driver of the best 3 year old in nz chose to give his horse no chance of winning,because he apparantly is more interested in next week.

Greg o'connor making excuses for the drive after the race was a bit of a laugh moment as well. 

mr o'connor must know people watching aren't that stupid.Horses aren't going to have a hard run if the driver moves up and sits parked for the last round when they are running a 1/4 in 33 seconds. Non win trotters do it easily.

at least the whale seemed to have a more tranparent view,pointing out the race was a $60,000 race. 

[the galah]

2 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Forbury, To be fair, Auckland is a track that a lot of hot favourites get beaten on due to the size of the track and the type of racing on it!

 

But this one didn't get beaten because of either reason you mention.. It got beaten because of lack of intent by the driver.

[Nowornever]

1 minute ago, the galah said:

But this one didn't get beaten because of either reason you mention.. It got beaten because of lack of intent by the driver.

I agree almost drove to get it beaten. Isn't there a rule for that, considering it was a very short favourite? 

[Gammalite]

Well Carter drew the outside with a short priced favourite as well. Republican Party at $2.10 .

Mo'unga drawn out wide with Ferguson as well. The 2nd favourite.  never a chance. 

Both ran unplaced.

Like Marketplace drawn wide , you have to go somewhere in the running.???  

It's impossible from those barriers , and as Brodster observed, Alexandra Park with that sharp crank as they turn for home and going the wrong way round , JUST makes it that little Bit Harder even. 

Are we throwing the book at Carter for the PubParty drive ? ( at least Marketplace got a place !! lol 😆) 

[Nowornever]

24 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Well Carter drew the outside with a short priced favourite as well. Republican Party at $2.10 .

Mo'unga drawn out wide with Ferguson as well. The 2nd favourite.  never a chance. 

Both ran unplaced.

Like Marketplace drawn wide , you have to go somewhere in the running.???  

It's impossible from those barriers , and as Brodster observed, Alexandra Park with that sharp crank as they turn for home and going the wrong way round , JUST makes it that little Bit Harder even. 

Are we throwing the book at Carter for the PubParty drive ? ( at least Marketplace got a place !! lol 😆) 

No we are saying the time for the Marketplace race was a 2:02 mile rate and a 57 sec 800m so should have been put in the race, while the Republican Party race was 1:55 MR and a 54 half so no chance on that one.

Edited 22 hours ago by Nowornever

[Gammalite]

Just put Crystal on them. solve all the problems.

She's winning all over the place lol. Knocking off Dominion winner Oscar B and Marky Boy now with another great drive.  Kyvalley Hotspur too good. 

But speaking of intent , how good was it to see Jonny Cox finally have some with Pinseeker , who finally gets his 2nd win at Addington. didn't think he would beat Rakero Rebel as doesn't usually drive with intent like that lol 🤣

go go Jonny 💰.

 

[Nowornever]

2 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Just put Crystal on them. solve all the problems.

She's winning all over the place lol. Knocking off Dominion winner Oscar B and Marky Boy now with another great drive.  Kyvalley Hotspur too good. 

But speaking of intent , how good was it to see Jonny Cox finally have some with Pinseeker , who finally gets his 2nd win at Addington. didn't think he would beat Rakero Rebel as doesn't usually drive with intent like that lol 🤣

go go Jonny 💰.

 

Had to laugh at Matt Cross saying he would be going back with Rakero Rebel. Didn't he know Gavin "I only go forward" Smith was driving it. lol

Edited 22 hours ago by Nowornever

[Brodie]

Oscar Bonavena got beaten as well!

Personally have given up even acknowledging that Auckland racing is worth putting in the study!

The track just does not warrant wagering on it if you are looking to make money on it and too often there is too many from the one stable in the fields.

Too often the drivers just try to make up too much ground in the straight, best sticking to the best track in Australasia, Addington.

As I said previously if you are prepared to wager your hard earned $ on short price favourites then be prepared to lose as you are on a hiding to nothing if you expect to win long term on North Island racing.

 

[Gammalite]

1 minute ago, Nowornever said:

Had to laugh at Matt Cross saying he would be going back with Rakero Rebel. Didn't he know Gavin "I only go forward" Smith was driving it. lol

Gavin Smith . I did notice that in the trot . He kept attacking the hot Fav Bet N Win with his drive , and ran unplaced.

sure was a go forward drive at all costs alright 😆. 

What a great win by that trotter after that though . Bet N Win holding out Muscle Mountain who had cosy trip behind a stable-mate bunny.  Maybe 'Bet N Win' is the next big star trotter ?  Brodie would like his name anyway 🤣

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Oscar Bonavena got beaten as well!

Personally have given up even acknowledging that Auckland racing is worth putting in the study!

The track just does not warrant wagering on it if you are looking to make money on it and too often there is too many from the one stable in the fields.

Too often the drivers just try to make up too much ground in the straight, best sticking to the best track in Australasia, Addington.

As I said previously if you are prepared to wager your hard earned $ on short price favourites then be prepared to lose as you are on a hiding to nothing if you expect to win long term on North Island racing.

 

Think you're right Brodster. Loved the Park and went there a lot and even had some runners there in younger days when starting out. But they're better to sell it off, clear the debt, and have a track go in the right direction ( go to the left lol) 😆

North Island racing better to bet on than Australian trots tonight though. Those tracks pretty ordinary too, like Gloucester Park. You just don't know how to pick the Auckland winners 🤣. ya better stick to Pinseeker old mate 

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Well Carter drew the outside with a short priced favourite as well. Republican Party at $2.10 .

Mo'unga drawn out wide with Ferguson as well. The 2nd favourite.  never a chance. 

Both ran unplaced.

Like Marketplace drawn wide , you have to go somewhere in the running.???  

It's impossible from those barriers , and as Brodster observed, Alexandra Park with that sharp crank as they turn for home and going the wrong way round , JUST makes it that little Bit Harder even. 

Are we throwing the book at Carter for the PubParty drive ? ( at least Marketplace got a place !! lol 😆) 

 

Not sure why your comparing dalgetiy's drive with fergusons drive.

You only have to look at the sectionals that the commentator gave out to see they were totally different races.

Marketplace: ran a mile rate of 2.02.3   republican party :1.55.9

the 800m between the 1600m and 800m ran in:

marketplace:     66.3.

republican party:62.0

obviously drivers are expected to be able to assess how a race unfolds and adjust tactics accordingly.

i agree Carter dalgety on republican party didn't give his supporters much chance when not moving on a 400 run in 32.2.,but compare that to the 800m run slowly that ferguson just sat there and made no move  on a horse who everyone knew could have had he wanted to.

you refer to wide draws. Well marketplace drew 5,not 8 like republican party.

and of course,your favorite driver won the race from barrier 8.

Anyways,i'm not talking through my pocket.

Then we had in nz the trackside presenter,virtually saying after the race that the trainer had said pre race he was there for a conditiong run with the aim being  for the following week.

Mr o'connors comments didn't help,as the trainer said in his pre race interview "the horse is here to win". 

At least the whale expressed surprise that the driver chose to drive it the way he did,given the race was a group 2.

really,there is no fault that should be attached to the trainer on this occasion,its his driver,c fergsuon, who chose to treat the punters with no respect.

you know the stupidest thing about mr fergsuons drive,is if you see him driving a $1.40 favorite in a non win race at invercargill,you will see him trying to win every time. But in a group 2 race,he somehow thinks maintaining punters faith in drivers trying,somehow is irrelevant.

Edited 20 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

36 minutes ago, the galah said:

really,there is no fault that should be attached to the trainer on this occasion,its his driver,c fergsuon, who chose to treat the punters with no respect.

Well No One on this thread is treating the 2 horses that Quinellaed the race with any respect either.

Both Rubira and then the Choc's  (twice) both beat marketplace at his first 3 starts last year. easily too. by many lengths. 

There's Nothing wrong with those 2 horses. 

My bet was on 'Got the Chocolates' from the barrier draw.  I think he can win a Derby. Mark is of course always hard to beat. 

The problem is gallopers are allowed a run or 2 when returning from a spell to just run on late, and many many just do that and run on late , with no questions asked , and win at 2nd or 3rd run back from a spell. Poor bloody pacer's expected to win ALL the Time lol. no matter what the opponent or anything. lol. 

Barrier draws can beat the best of them. 

Driver's just do what they think is best at the time. You saw it with Mo'unga early on in his career.  I was only joking about Carter being in trouble for not 'taking off sooner' . But essentially it was the same thing. Quite a good field of horses , and he ran on late first up. JOLIMONT is No Slug either.

Ferguson is no champion driver , but doing better than some . 

 

[Nowornever]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

really,there is no fault that should be attached to the trainer on this occasion,its his driver,c fergsuon, who chose to treat the punters with no respect.

You would think there would be something in the stipes report about why the horse was not put in the race until it was finished being a 1.40 favourite expected to win.

Have we got Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder doing it again this week?

[the galah]

8 hours ago, Nowornever said:

You would think there would be something in the stipes report about why the horse was not put in the race until it was finished being a 1.40 favourite expected to win.

Have we got Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder doing it again this week?

complartely agree. 

Like  i have said so many times,

The stipes in auckland watch the races with the caps on their binoculars.

And like i have said before.

A significant portion of the blame for  operation INCA was the stipes ilack of action in enforcing,or even considring enforcing matters as relates to integrity in races.

Last nights stipes report shows they have learnt nothing from operation inca.

All they had to do was put in their stipes report that they questioned ferguson about his drive and inform the public why ferguson thought it ok to give his horse absolutely no chance of winning when he could have given it an easy run and won. But no,nothing.

They have just green lighted any driver sitting at the back of a field on a red hot favorite and making no attempt to win.

Fergusons drive was not a normal drive .

What other driver is going to sit at the back on a $1.40 shot when they are going so slow over such and extended distance?

how did fergsuon come to have such a mindset, where he knew the stipes would green light his drive as perfectly fine and dandy. . 

well,the answer is in that races stipes report.

Edited 10 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

The horse is only a $1.40 shot ONLY because the bookie says so. they've fooled you guys for sure.

Why should they rule the world and be better than the drivers and now the Stipes you blokes think can't do a job they are paid to do ? 

The first 2 horses home are Stakes winning horses. Marketplace did quite well and closed in on them late.  Got The Chocolates drew one and has beaten Marketplace home a few times last year. And you all say that marketplace should beat him easily , as long as the driver gets going early enough ?? hahahaha 🤣 you're fooled twice in the one race !!!

p.s As Republican Party and Mo'unga did in the fast class race . the 2 'Bookie' favourites but both ran unplaced. Bookie favourite mean Nothing , when it comes to winning races. Barrier draws do . this race a PRIME example. 

[Brodie]

Personally believe if you are silly enough to offload on a $1.40favourite at Auckland then you have more money than sense?

[the galah]

26 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

The horse is only a $1.40 shot ONLY because the bookie says so. they've fooled you guys for sure.

Why should they rule the world and be better than the drivers and now the Stipes you blokes think can't do a job they are paid to do ? 

The first 2 horses home are Stakes winning horses. Marketplace did quite well and closed in on them late.  Got The Chocolates drew one and has beaten Marketplace home a few times last year. And you all say that marketplace should beat him easily , as long as the driver gets going early enough ?? hahahaha 🤣 you're fooled twice in the one race !!!

p.s As Republican Party and Mo'unga did in the fast class race . the 2 'Bookie' favourites but both ran unplaced. Bookie favourite mean Nothing , when it comes to winning races. Barrier draws do . this race a PRIME example. 

So you think the punters are fools.

i don't think punters are the fools gammalite.

the fools are the ones who take their role in sustaining the industry for granted.

And,lets be honest gammalite.

it wasn't that long ago,there was Operation INCA,remember that.

What was the one thing i thought everyone agreed on,,no matter what perspective you had.

it was the stipes had the authority to deal with the issues that arose in the inca races,but failed in their duty to uphold integrity matters, which then created an environment and perception that normalised questionable actions whcih ultimately caused considerable harm to those involved and the industry as a whole.

so,that race last night, was more of the same and little has been learnt by the stipes,in my opinion.

You do realise the stipes are supposed to protect not only the public,but the horsemen from harming themselves by pulling them up and saying be careful to not cross the line.

Edited 10 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

19 minutes ago, the galah said:

So you think the punters are fools.

i don't think punters are the fools gammalite.

the fools are the ones who take their role in sustaining the industry for granted.

And,lets be honest gammalite.

it wasn't that long ago,there was Operation INCA,remember that.

Punters are definitely fools mate. you know that. Only one in 10 wins each weekend. fools quite often really. 

They've been fooled since the first day of racing ever.

Of course these forums are great for accusing people of cheating . Forbury even mentioned the greatest there has ever been in his lead on this thread. Mark Purdon with Amazing dream. 

Why on Earth would you think Craig Ferguson needs an Inca investigation ? for a losing drive? and was trying to fool the punters ? I have to say that NO driver goes out there thinking 'Lets beat the punters today' and Not have a go.

goodness me. ONLY One horse Wins each race. The best horse Currently racing  LEAP TO FAME got beat last week from the barrier draw. it happens.  But a good horse with a Good driver beat him. exactly, As what happened to Marketplace and Republican Party last night. this is why you need no Inca on this occasion  lol 😂. 

AS Brodie has said on this thread Auckland is a pretty shit track , going the wrong way round. Horse first time at it , driver not familiar . plenty of reasons to get beat. you wouldn't back $1.40 favs. It's just 'bookie' odds. OscarB even got well beat at those odds . Nearly backed the one that beat him too 🙄. a good trotter in Oz at times. 

[Brodie]

We all know that Craig Ferguson’s drive last night was crap for a $1.40 favourite and something shouldve been asked by the stipes.

Reality is that is does happen from time to time and next week marketplace will probably come out and bolt in driven differently.

If you do bet into these types of races betting on shorties you need to accept that you will  not always get the result you thought!

The TAB love the type of punters that put plenty on the short priced favourites as they know that they will always come out on top.

The winning punters tend to go against the normal way of betting and that is why they are restricted, which to my mind is not playing fair! 

 

[Gammalite]

Well no doubt the horses will have different barriers next start (barring coincidence) so will be driven differently. 

15 minutes ago, Brodie said:

We all know that Craig Ferguson’s drive last night was crap for a $1.40 favourite and something shouldve been asked by the stipes.

Reality is that is does happen from time to time and next week marketplace will probably come out and bolt in driven differently.

If you do bet into these types of races betting on shorties you need to accept that you will  not always get the result you thought!

The TAB love the type of punters that put plenty on the short priced favourites as they know that they will always come out on top.

The winning punters tend to go against the normal way of betting and that is why they are restricted, which to my mind is not playing fair! 

 

I strongly believe that Stipes CANNOT tell a driver how to drive a horse. They are not the trainer , and so the driver goes out there to do the best he can against the opponents assembled.  If they (sites)  penalized every mistimed losing ride /drive there would certainly be NOT Many left to go round in the next race.😆

Drivers/jockeys often mis-time their runs . and get beat . happens all the time . 

Personally,  I think the Craig Ferguson drive on the 'Bit of a Yarn' favourite horse Mo'Unga was very , very poor.  Mo was Never a hope in the world the way he drove it over the short distance of that race. Gave it NO HOPE whatsoever. But what can you do it about it ? grizzle to the stewards ? lol 🤣 (just wait till next time lol )

 

 

[the galah]

 

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Punters are definitely fools mate. you know that. Only one in 10 wins each weekend. fools quite often really. 

They've been fooled since the first day of racing ever.

Of course these forums are great for accusing people of cheating . Forbury even mentioned the greatest there has ever been in his lead on this thread. Mark Purdon with Amazing dream. 

Why on Earth would you think Craig Ferguson needs an Inca investigation ? for a losing drive? and was trying to fool the punters ? I have to say that NO driver goes out there thinking 'Lets beat the punters today' and Not have a go.

goodness me. ONLY One horse Wins each race. The best horse Currently racing  LEAP TO FAME got beat last week from the barrier draw. it happens.  But a good horse with a Good driver beat him. exactly, As what happened to Marketplace and Republican Party last night. this is why you need no Inca on this occasion  lol 😂. 

AS Brodie has said on this thread Auckland is a pretty shit track , going the wrong way round. Horse first time at it , driver not familiar . plenty of reasons to get beat. you wouldn't back $1.40 favs. It's just 'bookie' odds. OscarB even got well beat at those odds . Nearly backed the one that beat him too 🙄. a good trotter in Oz at times. 

Me thinks you have taken my inca reference just a tad out of context there gammalite.

your doubling down on punters are fools to bet on harness racing.

ok,maybe thats what you think.

But if thats what you think,then what does that say about an industry when someone with knowledge of it thinks punters are fools to invest on the product they supply.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by the galah

[Newmarket]

Not a good look, but bad draw and first look on track, I actually punted winner so I’m happy. 
No doubt Marketplace and Republican Party will bolt in next start….

Happens all the time, look at Manawatu this week… First day majority of Mickey House runners out for run…. 2nd day, boom. 

[Gammalite]

42 minutes ago, the galah said:

 

Me thinks you have taken my inca reference just a tad out of context there gammalite.

your doubling down on punters are fools to bet on harness racing.

ok,maybe thats what you think.

But if thats what you think,then what does that say about an industry when someone with knowledge of it thinks punters are fools to invest on the product they supply.

 

sort of. I think you heard the saying 'a fool and his money are easily parted' . Gamblers are easily parted with their money at times . happens every Tab , every casino ,every day . Fact of life. 

Most of us invest on the harness here because we enjoy the action. I think (going by this very thread even) that most of the 'Bit of a Yarn'  folk are quite good at judging a lot of the action. Galah is even exceptional (at times) 😉  can spot the odd dropped foot lol 😁 Doubt any of us are making a living out of it these days,  where you would be more 'careful' with your dollars. my main bets have always been on the football when wanting to make a few bucks.  (There's ONLY 2 starters , so a lot less can go wrong , like C.Ferguson driving 🤣) 

Punters are often fooled out of their money . well . Brodie the exception,  is no fool and says the harness action is good to follow and makes a quid , and wouldn't touch the gallops, etc .  seems a wise strategy. I was a fool last night and bet just 2 horses that got 2nd and 3rd. And Immeadiately thought straight after that Brodie would of just gone a Place Bet and come out winning if he placed the bet (s) 😆 . The Choc's went good , but got beat by a smart driver (Mark Purdon in his twilight) but a place bet was probably the go. More the fool am I. and 80 bucks less but won that on Crystal at Manawatu anyway 😅 ( and have even more respect for Brodsters strategies now lol ) 

I was always in favour of Inca,  along with you .  Policing of sports events is important. Race fixing is a crime . It's called match fixing nowadays , and is a police charge ( not charges by stewards/stipes)  so is quite a serious matter. Any deterrent to such behaviour is fine by me.  

When I came along here to BOAY a few years ago,  there was that many posted accusations of Systematic Race fixing it was almost ridiculous ,throughout the harness racing world,  so the Inca Naysayers should check those posts out lol.  some action was taken to investigate over time . (Police are more easily fooled than Punters though😆😋)