curious Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Does oncourse turnover include oncourse betting on off course events? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 hours ago, curious said: Does oncourse turnover include oncourse betting on off course events? Traditionally, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, Doomed said: Traditionally, yes. So, it's included in what is reported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 40 minutes ago, Doomed said: Traditionally, yes. I assume when you say Traditionally you mean when there were no means of betting other than the oncourse Tote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 38 minutes ago, curious said: So, it's included in what is reported? How do you define oncourse betting with today's technology? LOL thinking about it a savvy club with a young techo geek could easily rort the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Traditionally, if you were at Trentham and had $1EW on a race at Wingatui that would be included in the broader on course turnover for Trentham. If you are oncourse at a smaller meeting, where they sometimes post race by race turnovers up for people to see, it is listed something like: on course betting on this meeting; on course betting from here on other meetings; off course turnover on this meeting. If I recall correctly, any betting done on a specific course is considered oncourse betting for that course. That is why racing on something like Melb Cup day can be profitable for a club as all the Melb Cup bets on that course count as on course turnover. As I understand it, any betting by phone by someone oncourse is also registered as oncourse turnover for that track. I might be wrong though, I sometimes am. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 11 minutes ago, Doomed said: As I understand it, any betting by phone by someone oncourse is also registered as oncourse turnover for that track. I might be wrong though, I sometimes am. You can turn geo location off for the TAB app on your phone and stil bet so finding where you are betting from is very limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 Yes they use some sort of geo-location system to capture phone betting etc. 14 minutes ago, Doomed said: Traditionally, if you were at Trentham and had $1EW on a race at Wingatui that would be included in the broader on course turnover for Trentham. If you are oncourse at a smaller meeting, where they sometimes post race by race turnovers up for people to see, it is listed something like: on course betting on this meeting; on course betting from here on other meetings; off course turnover on this meeting. If I recall correctly, any betting done on a specific course is considered oncourse betting for that course. That is why racing on something like Melb Cup day can be profitable for a club as all the Melb Cup bets on that course count as on course turnover. As I understand it, any betting by phone by someone oncourse is also registered as oncourse turnover for that track. I might be wrong though, I sometimes am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, curious said: Yes they use some sort of geo-location system to capture phone betting etc. They can't if you turn the app setting off for geo-location which you can do speficilly for each app you use. I doubt they get information from the Telco's which IP addresses are being used on course nor the triangulation that would be required to precisely locate you! For example you could be in a bar a kilometer from the racecourse you are betting on. Hardly being oncourse. One of the reasons I've argued for TAB or Club provided free Wi-Fi on course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: One of the reasons I've argued for TAB or Club provided free Wi-Fi on course. same... how many tracks off free Wi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 9 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: same... how many tracks off free Wi? Yes. Lets get a list of tracks that have wifi oncourse. On the other hand there would appear products available that can be setup as tempororay wifi hotspots. In that case it should be a TAB responsibilty to carry around the gear from meeting to meeting. Another idea would be for the photo finish operators to include it in their range of duties which at the moment are rather minimal. That said the tech is changing so fast wifi may not be all that advantageous afterall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Well I've long argued that these very expensive Trackside Broadcast vans could work with their telco partner to provide a WiFi service oncourse. Wouldn't cost much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 hours ago, Murray Fish said: same... how many tracks off free Wi? Ellerslie and Trentham used to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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