Doomed Posted Friday at 11:51 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:51 PM As one of only two people, that I know of, who openly posts on both of the racing forums (the other being Pam/Freda) I feel I must say that the continual antagonism and sniping between the two sites in recent times is getting quite boring. The industry has probably never needed more constructive input than it does currently, but the likes of Entain and NZTR must look on and laugh at the childish behaviour on the two public forums that should be holding them to task. I don't know any of the personalities involved, nor do I know any of the history behind it all. Racing attracts people from all walks of life and from all social strata. There are some people on the two forums who are obviously quite bright, and have broad industry knowledge, others who have a more simple view of things. They all have their role to play and all make worthwhile contributions at times. There are one or two on here who can be quite contrary and aggressive on occasion. I find the best response to that is to just ignore them. I cannot understand the antagonism towards Curious. He comes across as highly intelligent and very knowledgeable about the industry. His contributions usually seem very civil and well thought-out. As I said above, I have no knowledge of any history that has seen him get off side with some people. Myself, I just respond to topics on either forum that I find of interest, and where I feel I can make some sort of contribution. Some may find that contribution useful, others may not. I try to be even handed starting new topics, spreading my wisdom around. I'm sure there are probably some trainers and jockeys who would like to get involved on here, but are probably scared off by the aggression and personal abuse to fellow posters on display at times. The hosts of both forums put an awful lot of time and money into hosting the two sites and we should be very grateful to both of them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 12:12 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:12 AM 15 minutes ago, Doomed said: As one of only two people, that I know of, who openly posts on both of the racing forums (the other being Pam/Freda) I feel I must say that the continual antagonism and sniping between the two sites in recent times is getting quite boring. 15 minutes ago, Doomed said: I cannot understand the antagonism towards Curious. He comes across as highly intelligent and very knowledgeable about the industry. His contributions usually seem very civil and well thought-out. As I said above, I have no knowledge of any history that has seen him get off side with some people. The antagonism towards @curious derives from one simple fact. A number of individuals (two in particular) cannot accept a differing opinion that is cogently and persistently argued. Yes sometime some of us might press the point for too long but that is no reason to ban anyone. There is also an element of paranoia and insecurity. In the past and more regularly an administration line has been crossed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted yesterday at 12:32 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:32 AM Hi Doomed - I left the other channel because it too often descended into toxic nastiness & combined with issues of integrity - ultimately it was no longer something I enjoyed or wanted to be a part of. I suspect I am not alone. But those basic facts aside - I don't feel the need to bag them constantly - I simply withdrew & left them to it - & I'm sure, tbf - they probably barely noticed I'd gone, let alone missed my presence! Now & again even here, ppl can get carried away & inclined to play the man & not the ball (topic). I'm all for robust debate but when it turns into sniping & personal jibes - it turns me off - I abandon the thread - & sometimes the site for a while too! This community could potentially be quite a strong lobbying force - it certainly includes some smart, knowledgeable, experienced & well reasoned people whose opinions & thoughts I enjoy & value (& at times wish the industry "leaders" would tune into). You are right Doomed - the ppl running the channel do put a lot into it & we appreciate that & most of the time, we enjoy participating. It can be a fine line between between censorship & free speech. Like the rest of us - the forum bosses have their own opinions - which of course they are free to air - & sometimes their own allegiances - which they sometimes try to conceal/deny I imagine sometimes it's not easy to balance it all for the good of the forum - especially bearing in mind the boss ultimately has the power (over all of us) - & effectively, the loudest voice in the room. But the culture or vibe of the forums does come largely from the top - so if the forum bosses do descend into the sort of behaviors I've described - one or two may enjoy the bitching that ensues - but for 90%+ of us - we are the losers when things take that turn. J. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted yesterday at 12:38 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:38 AM 19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yes sometime some of us might press the point for too long but that is no reason to ban anyone. You in particular C.S. 😅. The other site from my observation is run by a control freak which isn't the case on BOAY. Hence I do not get involved with the other site, but I do keep an eye open for some occasional very good thoroughbred breeding posts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 01:21 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:21 AM 43 minutes ago, Wingman said: You in particular C.S. 😅 No I just don't give up! Then again I've given up trying to find all my mystery identities and all the toxic posters here. Haven't found any of the latter yet... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 05:39 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:39 AM 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: There is also an element of paranoia and insecurity. Cursed deeply with it! so I believe! (chuckle chuckle) 🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 05:41 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:41 AM 5 hours ago, jess said: ultimately it was no longer something I enjoyed or wanted to be a part of. tick... racing is tough enough without having our spirits polluted by certain toxic racing players... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 05:58 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:58 AM 5 hours ago, Doomed said: I cannot understand the antagonism towards Curious lol, I actually find i amusing! a Badge of Honor! NZ has a deep history of Anti-intellectualism! Racing with its long rural and working-class history which has always at it's core a A.I.. this is just being expressed in the modern area in a modern way! 6 hours ago, Doomed said: Myself, I just respond to topics on either forum that I find of interest, and where I feel I can make some sort of contribution. Some may find that contribution useful, others may not. I try to be even handed starting new topics, spreading my wisdom around. Personally, I tip my Hat your way! I always find it adds to a discussion! I look forward to meeting you one day! 6 hours ago, Doomed said: the likes of Entain and NZTR must look on and laugh at the childish behaviour on the two public forums that should be holding them to task. not to sure on that.. NZTR and Entain I think are seriously trying to believe their own propaganda! about the 'new golden area' that be now entering.. On a more serious note, Historically O don't think either have really understood Social Media very well at all! 6 hours ago, Doomed said: I don't know any of the personalities involved, nor do I know any of the history behind it all. Likewise! Though I do know some! As always I be happy to share my brutal polemics that I hold about them to when I am standing in front of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 06:16 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:16 AM 16 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: not to sure on that.. NZTR and Entain I think are seriously trying to believe their own propaganda! about the 'new golden area' that be now entering.. I remember well my boss at a company called Apple Fields saying - "We are in big trouble if we start believing our own propaganda!" The first time I'd heard that saying and I have never forgotten especially when it was so prophetic with regard to that company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted yesterday at 06:28 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:28 AM 46 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: Cursed deeply with it! so I believe! (chuckle chuckle) 🤓 Yes. Seems so but at least the form is consistent. He is now going into Leggy's account and removing any emojis I post over there. scooby3051 Administrators 13,399 12,112 posts Report post Posted 4 hours ago 5 hours ago, sunlineboy said: However when he made his freudian slip (cock-up) and posted under Racingoutsider I was horrified because he had us all believing that Racingoutsider was Colin Wightman and that’s not kosher. Whether or not it’s dishonest is questionable but put another way he certainly wasn’t being honest. He has shown evidence of twice correcting posters, stating that he doesn't know who this Colin person is. Yes but he never once said who he was and he had joined to circumvent being under moderation...did he?? You 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted yesterday at 06:29 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:29 AM Now... scooby3051 Administrators 13,400 12,113 posts Report post Posted 4 hours ago 5 hours ago, sunlineboy said: However when he made his freudian slip (cock-up) and posted under Racingoutsider I was horrified because he had us all believing that Racingoutsider was Colin Wightman and that’s not kosher. Whether or not it’s dishonest is questionable but put another way he certainly wasn’t being honest. He has shown evidence of twice correcting posters, stating that he doesn't know who this Colin person is. Yes but he never once said who he was and he had joined to circumvent being under moderation...did he??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted yesterday at 06:43 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:43 AM 26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I remember well my boss at a company called Apple Fields saying - "We are in big trouble if we start believing our own propaganda!" The first time I'd heard that saying and I have never forgotten especially when it was so prophetic with regard to that company. “It’s dangerous,” Chalabi was known to say from time to time, “if you believe your own propaganda.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted yesterday at 06:58 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:58 AM Anti-intellectualism! Now, that's a word! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 07:02 AM Share Posted yesterday at 07:02 AM (edited) 46 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: a company called Apple Fields Tom Kain? wasn't afraid of a court case or two! his brother (Harry?) had shares in a couple of V Good horses! Edited yesterday at 07:03 AM by Murray Fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 07:05 AM Share Posted yesterday at 07:05 AM 5 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Anti-intellectualism! Now, that's a word! Perhaps only Real Estate Industry has more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 07:26 AM Share Posted yesterday at 07:26 AM 22 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: Tom Kain? wasn't afraid of a court case or two! his brother (Harry?) had shares in a couple of V Good horses! Tom, Harry, Charles. They all had the same first name. George. Guess what their sister was named? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 08:54 AM Share Posted yesterday at 08:54 AM 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Guess what their sister was named? without asking Prof Goggle! George! every now and then via trackside I spot Harry studying the horses, always in the same spot outside the birdcagde.. I impressed him once by sharing that that colt would win the G1 race and the two fillies would run 2nd and 3rd in that order! having the ticket with that as a straight out tri was better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 09:01 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:01 AM 6 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: without asking Prof Goggle! George! every now and then via trackside I spot Harry studying the horses, always in the same spot outside the birdcagde.. I impressed him once by sharing that that colt would win the G1 race and the two fillies would run 2nd and 3rd in that order! having the ticket with that as a straight out tri was better! Georgina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 09:03 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:03 AM 2 hours ago, curious said: Yes. Seems so but at least the form is consistent. He is now going into Leggy's account and removing any emojis I post over there. scooby3051 Administrators 13,399 12,112 posts Report post Posted 4 hours ago Yes but he never once said who he was and he had joined to circumvent being under moderation...did he?? You 1 Regardless of how he is doing it. It is a bit petty isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 4 hours ago, Murray Fish said: Tom Kain? wasn't afraid of a court case or two! his brother (Harry?) had shares in a couple of V Good horses! I guess that’s were the boss gets his moniker Canterbury Man from. Harry had a couple of beauties, that’s for sure. Murray Baker and Noel Eales did the preparing or at least some of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Regardless of how he is doing it. It is a bit petty isn't it. I stand corrected on how he is doing, but he definitely is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago If your that worried about the abuse on other site…. just don’t look at it. The more that’s posted on here about them…. will fuel the fire. Saying that, all of these types of sites need a few wind up merchants…. otherwise nobody would log on 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Newmarket said: If your that worried about the abuse on other site…. just don’t look at it. The more that’s posted on here about them…. will fuel the fire. Saying that, all of these types of sites need a few wind up merchants…. otherwise nobody would log on True and you fit into the wind up category at times. You wouldn't last 3 posts on some other sites. Where I draw the line is when it becomes one rule for one group and a different rule for a other. Based purely on the fact that one has a different opinion and nothing else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: True and you fit into the wind up category at times. You wouldn't last 3 posts on some other sites. Where I draw the line is when it becomes one rule for one group and a different rule for a other. Based purely on the fact that one has a different opinion and nothing else. Yep, agree with you, I’m a good winder upper….Must just fly under the radar as not been banned yet 😙 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Where I draw the line is when it becomes one rule for one group and a different rule for a other. Based purely on the fact that one has a different opinion and nothing else. What rubbish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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