Cheats onion rings Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, Hall said: What a sick lot of posters you are all disgusting what I wonder how many of you actually race dogs and the sickess lot have non de plumes this site should be shut down all you can do is degrade people and you think you are all do gooders but can't put your own names to the posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheats onion rings Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Gosh hall you haven't put your name up. I was told if dogs do no good they are shot as they get out of the trailer. Was an employee that told me this. Where's Mrs Welfare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Punch on Ruby lines up yesterday at Wanganui 1.9 kilo's down. She is a 26 kilo bitch. Been referred to the JCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 11/02/2019 at 1:46 PM, CrossCodes said: It has marred in 4 of its 14 race starts, in terms of it being a racedog it is a mongrel. Thats not to say off the racetrack it isn’t a lovely dog, but unfortunately being in that kennel it has no doubt been given live kills and it’s chances of making a pet will be small, not that they would even give it a chance. If the owner had any morals they would retire it, but it seems people within the industry and those in charge of it are severely lacking those. Prepare for the next farce... Now their going to try racing it partially blind... I don't believe dressing a dog up in a Stewards costume is going to help with this one, other than maybe receiving another FTP charge for marring.... She'll be right, the Vet will get it sorted... https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/13464/stewards-report.aspx 4) BERTIE ALLEN, GREGOROVITCH (both C Roberts) and YI FENG (J McInerney),in blinkers, all completed Satisfactory Trials as required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhounder Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Yankiwi said: Prepare for the next farce... Now their going to try racing it partially blind... I don't believe dressing a dog up in a Stewards costume is going to help with this one, other than maybe receiving another FTP charge for marring.... She'll be right, the Vet will get it sorted... https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/13464/stewards-report.aspx 4) BERTIE ALLEN, GREGOROVITCH (both C Roberts) and YI FENG (J McInerney),in blinkers, all completed Satisfactory Trials as required. What do you mean partially blind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Greyhounder said: What do you mean partially blind? I think he means half of its vision is blinded by blinkers. I was going to start a thread on this subject. Personally I think blinkers should not be an option in dog racing. It is a welfare issue for mine. It is unfair for honest hard chasing dogs to have in their midst dogs that are compromised in their vision especially on the bends. It is hard enough for 8 honest dogs to negotiate the bends without having dogs in their midst with no peripheral vision. Greyhounds are sight hounds, and for the Association to allow half blind dogs into races is a recipe for disaster. Welfare issue it is, also grossly unfair to fellow competitors. Surely there is enough honest dogs out there, without having to put half blind dogs in fields. Just my thoughts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhounder Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, aquaman said: I think he means half of its vision is blinded by blinkers. I was going to start a thread on this subject. Personally I think blinkers should not be an option in dog racing. It is a welfare issue for mine. It is unfair for honest hard chasing dogs to have in their midst dogs that are compromised in their vision especially on the bends. It is hard enough for 8 honest dogs to negotiate the bends without having dogs in their midst with no peripheral vision. Greyhounds are sight hounds, and for the Association to allow half blind dogs into races is a recipe for disaster. Welfare issue it is, also grossly unfair to fellow competitors. Surely there is enough honest dogs out there, without having to put half blind dogs in fields. Just my thoughts. Thanks for that. It is actually a bit more than that. I just heard there was several in the litter with eyesight problems. If he has eyesight problems blinkers would make it 10 times worse. Dangerous ground.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It's the Stewards job to put any dog out that has a visual impairment. 56.10 Where a Greyhound is examined by the officiating Veterinarian at a Meeting or Satisfactory Trial or Qualifying Trial and is found to have or suspected of having impaired vision in one or both eyes, the Stewards shall order the Greyhound to be prohibited from competing in a Race until such time as: (a) a specialist veterinary ophthalmologist, approved by the Board, examines the Greyhound and certifies that the Greyhound’s vision is adequate to allow the Greyhound to see the Lure; and (b) the Greyhound has completed a Satisfactory Trial. Blinkers are designed to be an impairment to prereferral vison. So the way the rule is written I believe that any greyhound MUST be certified that it's vision isn't impaired by the apparatus (blinker/blinkers), even when it turns it head towards another dog. So unless the race day vet is "a specialist veterinary ophthalmologist, approved by the Board", then a dog wearing blinkers should not be allowed to start in any race wearing them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 I agree Charles, the way the rule reads, its clear these dogs are racing with impaired vision. The unanswered question is, why is it not applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aquaman Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 Well well welll, NZGRA employ dedicated welfare officer to oversee welfare issues in dog racing and breeding. Her latest pearler is inoculations of pups before 3 months so as to enable the pups to socialise with the wider dog community in public places. Racing greyhounds as a rule do not leave their own property, and are reared in a paddock of some description until they can receive an adult parvo shot usually about 8 months old. This adult shot will cover them quiet nicely for at least 3 yrs, and it should not be necessary to give them a booster shot for at least that time period. But no, the welfare officer wants to spend your money on issues that do not exist. Can anybody tell me when and where the last outbreak of parvo virus occurred. Giving 3 puppy shots before the adult shot can be given is another example of very poor work when it comes to welfare, but, it is an easy target, and goes to show she is justifying her position. Now I will give her a hard target, one that she is choosing to ignore, and in my opinion is a much more relevant target especially where the welfare of the racing greyhound is concerned, and that ladies and gentlemen is gross over racing by the dog farmers. Below I shall give some examples of what I perceive to be over raced greyhounds lining up tomorrow at Dunedin. I shall put the racing program with dates and distance that these dogs are being subjected to in the last week. Homebush Velma 3 sprints, 29th, 31st, 2nd. Add, Southland, Dunedin. Punch on Jessie 3 sprints, 295 Friday, 390 Sunday, 310 Tuesday. Homebush Carl 3 sprints same as above. Now it gets worse. Chunk, 520, Friday, 457, Sunday, 545 Tuesday. And if you thought this is ok, try this Ben Vane King, 26th, races Addington, 29th 645 mtr race Addington, 31st 457 Southland, 2nd 545 Dunedin. Homebush Izzy same program as Ben Vane King. In summing up, Welfare officer on behalf of NZGRA much more interested in increasing your compliance costs rather than focusing on the real issues such as getting as many races into these poor hounds as is possible, and trekking them all over the South Island to accomplish it. Very poor work by the NZGRA to allow this exploitation by uncaring dog farmers. It will bite them on the arse if not addressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 As a rider, Ben Vane King in distance race Thursday 645 4th April, this makes 5 races over ground in 10 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 On 1/04/2019 at 12:42 PM, aquaman said: As a rider, Ben Vane King in distance race Thursday 645 4th April, this makes 5 races over ground in 10 days. And looks like it was his last race, broken down after only a few metres. Hardly surprising given he has had the life flogged out of him by his scumbag trainer, not that they will care, just another dead dog to add to the pile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestly Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 50 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: And looks like it was his last race, broken down after only a few metres. Hardly surprising given he has had the life flogged out of him by his scumbag trainer, not that they will care, just another dead dog to add to the pile. Another blow hard I’d pay money to see you say it to his face . Clearly you know nothing and can’t read a race let alone a stewards report....try taking the green pills the pink ones push you over the edge . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, Honestly said: Another blow hard I’d pay money to see you say it to his face . Clearly you know nothing and can’t read a race let alone a stewards report....try taking the green pills the pink ones push you over the edge . You'd know young man. Sure has been flogged. Hopefully the dog recovers from his injury or gets a life. I'm sure you could help with that:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) On 2/02/2019 at 9:43 AM, aquaman said: We will have to keep tabs on this dog Goldstar Hudson. Make sure it does not become a victim, and is found a nice home. The NZGRA are very slack on following up and checking on these dogs. The welfare officer is a joke, and cannot be trusted to check on dogs that are put out for playing, or for that matter, any dogs that are registered to them. Seems Hudson no longer has an owner or trainer. https://www.grnz.co.nz/greyhounds/profiles.aspx?AnimalID=30611 Edited April 4, 2019 by Yankiwi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 10:24 AM, Greyhounder said: Where is poor Home bush Connor? Not looking good for Connor. https://www.grnz.co.nz/greyhounds/profiles.aspx?AnimalID=30810 His name must have been in the same postal envelope as Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhounder Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 All you local trainers that have given McInerney dogs to train.should be fucken ashamed of yourselves. Is he a better trainer than.you? Does he look after his dogs better than you? There.is only one reason.you would send.your dogs to him and that is because you sanction using live animals to give ypu the edge and make ypur dogs chase harder which makes them a potentially dangerous pet although they probably wouldnt make it that far cos outa sight outa mind. When this sport is killed off,when arseholes like this are outed for this and many other cruel acts you are just as culpable as he is for the demise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 Sad day today. Ben Vane King, the dog who has been flogged at 3 different venues all over the South Island, having endured 5 races in 10 days broke down last night with a suspected broken hock. This poor dog was forced to race over distances from 457 to 645 mtrs by an uncaring owner and trainer with no thought for the dog, or for that matter, the good of the industry. Ben Vane King was not the only dog that was flogged during this period by the same kennel, there were many more. You have to come to the conclusion this kennel has no empathy for their charges, and greed and stupidity can be the only motivation. Having said all this, I expect nothing less from these animal farmers, but I do expect more from those who claim welfare and the betterment of the industry is at the top of their priorities. We have been let down by these people, and Ben Vane King is a prime case in point. The NZGRA were aware these dogs were being flogged as were the RIU. My question is, why didn't the welfare officer instruct the Stipe in charge of yesterdays meeting at Addington raceway to make a list of those dogs that were having multiple races in the last 10 days to be examined by the Vet extra carefully prior to racing. If this had been done, then Ben Vane King may have been scratched before breaking down. This is a very bad look for the NZGRA, and the RIU. They new what was happening, and chose to do nothing. I hope that Ben Vane King is not forgotten and swept under the carpet, and until a new rule is put in place to stop over racing by unscrupulous greedy dog trainers, the RIU, and NZGRA will be far more proactive in having oncourse Vets apply much more stringent physical checks on these poor dogs. I feel 1 race a week per dog should be a minimum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhounder Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, aquaman said: I agree Aquaman. I watch the Oz programm The Catching Pen and maybe the Aussies are just way better at marketing tban we are but they seem to be streets ahead of us in.gteyhound racing on.every level. They appear to enforce their welfare codes and there is a positive vibe to the sport. They got a huge wake up call and took notice. We still let this shit happen week after week lovely young dogs slaughtered on and off the track and the so called welfare officer does nothing and is merely a puppet or figure head. We need a passionate commited person to sort these maggots out once and for all but how tbe hell would tvat ever happen here. John if you were appointed Welfare officer what is the first thing you would do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 Not easy to answer of the top of my head Greyhounder, so many issues need addressing. But two very achievable things spring to mind that would change the industry in double quick time. The first being 20 dogs per license, this to stop dog farmers. The second to only allow a dog to race once a week. This would tip the industry upside down in the short term, so would have to be phased in over time especially the first one. There would have to be industry backing for placing surplus greyhounds that the dog farmers divest in the short term, but it could be managed until the new regime spuds in. The racing once a week could be immediate. This would not have too great an impact, and would sort itself out fairly quick. It is not simple Greyhounder, but they need to start somewhere if they want to have a future. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 3 hours ago, aquaman said: The racing once a week could be immediate. There was no minimum rest period for a dog whatsoever, not that long ago. Heads were turned when GRNZ came out with the rule/policy that no greyhound could be raced two days in a row. Some of those heads were spun around and thought wow, GRNZ is finally doing a little something to stop the flogging of dogs. Other heads were turned, then were scratched, as they tried to work out how they were going to cope with only three starts per week for some of their animals... I recon there should limit the distance a single dog can run to 1KM per week. 3 sprints in a week, somewhat acceptable in the interim until stricter measures are in place (375 Palmy + 305 Wang + 305 Wang = 985m) (410 Palmy + 305 Wang + 305 Wang = 1020m & over the limit) (375 Palmy + 305 Wang + 318 Auck = 998m) 2 middle distance in a week, again somewhat acceptable in the interim until stricter measures are in place (457 + 520 or 527 but not 520 + 520 or 520 + 527). 1 distance maximum per week. The problem with this is who's going to do all distance the count ups for all the dogs? There's already more than enough desks at headquarters. Surely a person at one of those desks can count. Maybe it'd be a good daily task for the Welfare Officer to take on & help to justify her pay packet, if she can count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheats onion rings Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Gosh was just going to say the welfare officer. Dogs dying in trailers. Dogs dying on the ferry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iteruka Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Cheats onion rings said: Gosh was just going to say the welfare officer. Dogs dying in trailers. Dogs dying on the ferry. When did dogs die in trailers? Haven't heard about that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Australian trainers tend to run there dogs weekly when up and in racing trim , certainly not 6 starts in 10 days . There governing body would either fine the trainer or take his license off him , the NZ welfare officer should step up to the plate and charge this trainer with animal abuse . It is not acceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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