Michael Guerin

[Forbury]

Michael Guerin only talks dribble and tips short price losers.

There is a way for punters to back both at a 50 per cent profit should one win, with Hadron Collider boosted to $3 for the Box Seat Boost (under futures on TAB website) while Trump Card is $3.20.

Put $10 on both and you spent $20 for a return of $30 or $32. It isn’t everybody’s cup of tea but the sort of thing professional punters do to make money. Yes that's what they do to win $10 and being to access promotion.tipping punters a 1.5 play that's Mick gurien all over and now they have Brittany Graham in competition who can tip the most short price losers 😂😂😂

[Brodie]

The beauty of betting if you can get money on, is the fact if you do your homework you can make money!

Why listen to anyone's tipping on Trackside TV?

they aren't there to give you winners, they are there to bring in the small time punter that can not pick their own!

Part of the challenge is to pick you own winners, otherwise you are guaranteed to lose money!

[Forbury]

Brittany Graham is definitely showing she's a special talent and definitely knows what she's dribbling about she well and truly has set the standard for Michael gurien to beat by tipping 4 short price favourites over the weekend all unplaced now that's a special talent 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[Nowornever]

Ever notice how racing presenters will rattle off comments about half the field before a race? Then when one of those seven wins, suddenly it was a “great pick” and they talk it up like it was nailed from the jump.

Made for TV,  just a wide net cast so they can claim success no matter what happens.

It’s especially entertaining when a horse they didn’t mention storms home. You can almost see the panic set in. Cue the scrambling and excuses… Whale is the classic example. He’ll have a full post-race script ready for the ones he tipped — but nothing prepared for the actual winner.

It’s great theatre, but let’s not pretend it’s great tipping.

[the galah]

17 hours ago, Forbury said:

Brittany Graham is definitely showing she's a special talent and definitely knows what she's dribbling about she well and truly has set the standard for Michael gurien to beat by tipping 4 short price favourites over the weekend all unplaced now that's a special talent 😂🤣😂🤣😂

I may be wrong, but i might be picking up that your not a fan of her tipping forbury. 

actually,from my observations of what she says, i think her tipping started off a bit average,but as shes getting to know the form, shes going to be a good tipster.What i particularly like about her presenting is her not having pre conceived focus on how great certain people or stables are. She gives credit where credit is due and treats everyone the same,before and after a race.

i did laugh one week though when i was watching her tip out tu tangata and the reaction of the likes of greg o'connnor and matt cross.it was like,brittany,we've been there,done that ourselves.Lets be honest,nearly every punter has probably backed tu tangata at some stage and thought, it just has to be driven better and it will win next time,only to realise, tomorrow never comes. 

[Gammalite]

18 hours ago, the galah said:

my observations of what she says, i think her tipping started off a bit average,but as shes getting to know the form, shes going to be a good tipster.What i particularly like about her presenting is her not having pre conceived focus on how great certain people or stables are. She gives credit where credit is due and treats everyone the same,before and after a race.

i did laugh one week though when i was watching her tip out tu tangata and the reaction of the likes of greg o'connnor and matt cross.it was like,brittany,we've been there,done that ourselves.Lets be honest,nearly every punter has probably backed tu tangata at some stage and thought, it just has to be driven better and it will win next time,only to realise, tomorrow never comes

Seen her doing that pre-race wander on the track here for many years. usually B -lined straight to Luke McCarthy or Grant Dixon of Greg Sugars in each state,  nearly all the time as they always in the main chances every race. would be harder for her to pick someone there to do that with as drivers a bit more mixed  😂.

Tu Tangata can trot a bit. I see it beat home all of OscarB , Mighty Logan and One Over All in the Rowe Cup recently , but a bit like Midnight Dash ( who has just one win in past 3 years 🙄) gets blown away by the star ones all the time. Both those horse would win them in a row in Brisbane . very hard there for them though. 

We did get some more Trotters NZ exports recently to Brisvegas  . the fast class trot yesterday at Albion saw  Eurokash 2nd on debut, Five Oclock Gerry 3rd and Taylad To Use (as hot fav ) was 4th on debut. some local beat the 3 of them this week,  but they'll be winning soon enough.  Monarch Hill from Herlihy's took a few runs but won at start 7.  Guess not long till not enough left to race there in NZ in fast class trots ?  they won't have em?

[mikeynz]

14 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Seen her doing that pre-race wander on the track here for many years. usually B -lined straight to Luke McCarthy or Grant Dixon of Greg Sugars in each state,  nearly all the time as they always in the main chances every race. would be harder for her to pick someone there to do that with as drivers a bit more mixed  😂.

Tu Tangata can trot a bit. I see it beat home all of OscarB , Mighty Logan and One Over All in the Rowe Cup recently , but a bit like Midnight Dash ( who has just one win in past 3 years 🙄) gets blown away by the star ones all the time. Both those horse would win them in a row in Brisbane . very hard there for them though. 

We did get some more Trotters NZ exports recently to Brisvegas  . the fast class trot yesterday at Albion saw  Eurokash 2nd on debut, Five Oclock Gerry 3rd and Taylad To Use (as hot fav ) was 4th on debut. some local beat the 3 of them this week,  but they'll be winning soon enough.  Monarch Hill from Herlihy's took a few runs but won at start 7.  Guess not long till not enough left to race there in NZ in fast class trots ?  they won't have em?

Personally, I find it unnecessary to have anyone with a microphone before or after a race on the track, and if  I was getting ready for a race I'd tell her or anyone else to piss off , you have days before and after for interviews.

[the galah]

29 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Seen her doing that pre-race wander on the track here for many years. usually B -lined straight to Luke McCarthy or Grant Dixon of Greg Sugars in each state,  nearly all the time as they always in the main chances every race. would be harder for her to pick someone there to do that with as drivers a bit more mixed  😂.

Tu Tangata can trot a bit. I see it beat home all of OscarB , Mighty Logan and One Over All in the Rowe Cup recently , but a bit like Midnight Dash ( who has just one win in past 3 years 🙄) gets blown away by the star ones all the time. Both those horse would win them in a row in Brisbane . very hard there for them though. 

We did get some more Trotters NZ exports recently to Brisvegas  . the fast class trot yesterday at Albion saw  Eurokash 2nd on debut, Five Oclock Gerry 3rd and Taylad To Use (as hot fav ) was 4th on debut. some local beat the 3 of them this week,  but they'll be winning soon enough.  Monarch Hill from Herlihy's took a few runs but won at start 7.  Guess not long till not enough left to race there in NZ in fast class trots ?  they won't have em?

tu tangata has had 1 win in its last 50 starts.

I just looked at his recent starts as far as faovoritism goes and hes been win favorite 5 times in his last 15 starts but never won as favorite..

he has at times been unlucky,but on those occassions its looked like poor tactical driving decisions,but the more you watch him the more you realise he just lacks a bit of high speeed and that would make tactical moves a bit harder in races.

he would be a nice horse to own as he pays his way for sure,but i would  be surprised if he did that well in queensland.

because he runs in the first 4 a lot,he has taken a while to drop back into a grade where he can win here. 

 

[Gammalite]

58 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Personally, I find it unnecessary to have anyone with a microphone before or after a race on the track, and if  I was getting ready for a race I'd tell her or anyone else to piss off , you have days before and after for interviews.

No doubt a few of the drivers are concentrating hard , and have to worry about the next few minutes without the added pressure Mikey . I don't care much for the banter she tries to get out of them at the start. 

The drivers she did speak to here pre-race, were always astoundingly polite though. Grant Dixon, Greg Sugars, Cam Hart ,Luke McCarthy ,etc. I guess they go around so many times in big races they are so relaxed as if chatting to you at the dinner table . Is quite remarkable. NZ drivers polite too. Tony Herlihy for example, is charm personified .

Think Brittany would be better to do what they do here all the time on the gallops TV station, and just arrange to chat with a TRAINER pre-race , who is lining up on the side-line to watch the race , and not bother the drivers at all. They have more interesting things to say than the jockey/ driver as well , as know the horses progress and program , can give the owners and sponsors a plug and all sorts of things.  

[Nowornever]

4 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Personally, I find it unnecessary to have anyone with a microphone before or after a race on the track, and if  I was getting ready for a race I'd tell her or anyone else to piss off , you have days before and after for interviews.

I remember Salish Abernethy telling Michael Guerin that he didn't do TV interviews one night after winning a big race at Auckland.

Guerin came on TV and said it was unprofessional and he looked a bit put off by it all. 

[the galah]

5 hours ago, Gammalite said:

No doubt a few of the drivers are concentrating hard , and have to worry about the next few minutes without the added pressure Mikey . I don't care much for the banter she tries to get out of them at the start. 

The drivers she did speak to here pre-race, were always astoundingly polite though. Grant Dixon, Greg Sugars, Cam Hart ,Luke McCarthy ,etc. I guess they go around so many times in big races they are so relaxed as if chatting to you at the dinner table . Is quite remarkable. NZ drivers polite too. Tony Herlihy for example, is charm personified .

Think Brittany would be better to do what they do here all the time on the gallops TV station, and just arrange to chat with a TRAINER pre-race , who is lining up on the side-line to watch the race , and not bother the drivers at all. They have more interesting things to say than the jockey/ driver as well , as know the horses progress and program , can give the owners and sponsors a plug and all sorts of things.  

i quite like  hearing the drivers just before the start  as it can give an indication of whether they are going forward or back at the start,which sometimes influences who you pick sometimes.

i've noticed nearly all drivers say their horses have warmed up good when asked how they feel. But thats also good to know.

personally id prefer if they spook to a wide variety of drivers than just the same ones,irrespective of whether the drivers speak well or not.

the only issue i have with those pre race interviews is you feel sorry for the presenters who do it at night when its really cold.

Edited yesterday at 03:16 AM by the galah

[Brodie]

Personally think it is fine to interview the drivers, but far too late when the race is about to begin!

Be far better to do the interviews with the drivers well before the race.

Also very little point telling us on Trackside 30 seconds out that a horse has been treated for something since it last raced!

[paleface adios]

3 hours ago, Brodie said:

Personally think it is fine to interview the drivers, but far too late when the race is about to begin!

Be far better to do the interviews with the drivers well before the race.

Also very little point telling us on Trackside 30 seconds out that a horse has been treated for something since it last raced!

If told public  any earlier  than 30 seconds you would be loading up the  tab with sleepers 

[Brodie]

9 minutes ago, paleface adios said:

If told public  any earlier  than 30 seconds you would be loading up the  tab with sleepers 

Does the TAB take sleepers now?

Where do I dump then?

[paleface adios]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

Does the TAB take sleepers now?

Where do I dump then?

Yours all got borer in them

[mikeynz]

18 hours ago, Brodie said:

Personally think it is fine to interview the drivers, but far too late when the race is about to begin!

 

I'd have to say it would be interesting interviewing them during the race by running alongside them, bet old Britney would just about be short of breath,speechless, sometimes I wish she was😂

[Gammalite]

41 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

I'd have to say it would be interesting interviewing them during the race by running alongside them, bet old Britney would just about be short of breath,speechless, sometimes I wish she was😂

Yeah, Brittany drove in many races in Aus so she thinks she's knows the ropes and drivers intimately . Would be a struggle for her in NZ though . won't last long there. and as Galah says the weather/race conditions are different too let alone the people. 

Brittany was quite poor driver really who never drove an initiative race. just drove according to barrier draw to get the wins she did get. If she did have the microphone during the race she would of heard comments from those around her like  "FFS get a move on Brit" "Are you still awake Brit" "Never mind Brit, you might get the money next time" etc. 

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Yeah, Brittany drove in many races in Aus so she thinks she's knows the ropes and drivers intimately . Would be a struggle for her in NZ though . won't last long there. and as Galah says the weather/race conditions are different too let alone the people. 

Brittany was quite poor driver really who never drove an initiative race. just drove according to barrier draw to get the wins she did get. If she did have the microphone during the race she would of heard comments from those around her like  "FFS get a move on Brit" "Are you still awake Brit" "Never mind Brit, you might get the money next time" etc. 

thats an interesting take on her driving skills.

Like i have said previously,when covid shut down all harness racing for close to 3 months in nz in march 2020,i changed my focus to queensland harness racing and did my own reviews of every race run in that state for about 6 months.

So i saw quite a lot of her driving skills,and  formed the opinion she was one of the best drivers over there as she tried every time,horses i thought clearly ran for her , she made good tactical decisions and she drove kind,which meant her horses would back up.

In my opinion,the opposite applied to her father,who i had not much confidence in to get the best results from his drives.I remember when i did comment along those lines previously on here,you replied about how successful her father has been,and i don't doubt you about that, as i really didn't know too much about him prior to my focus for that 6 month period,but from my observations i thought it obvious horses didn't run for him like they did for his daughter..

my analysis of queensland harness racing was accurate i believe,as i did make a profit overall,its just it wasn't to the level that justified the time. I probably would have carrired on spending the $2000 a day on queensland harness racing if the tab had given me the rebates they said i would get,but they changed the rules and said the account i used didn't qualify for their elite thing,even though they had told me previously,spend x amount and you will qualify. That was just another example of the tab screwing me over and them trying to save a few hundred a month,which was part of the reason i have significantly cut back what i spend these days.

Also,you comment on what queensland harness drivers may say about her driving,and i'm not doubting you,but to me,from what i observed,you had a lot of drivers just going around to earn their driving fee with a preconceived plan to just follow them around and get their horses down in the ratings, so in the future they may end up in a race,with a draw,where they would try.

in my opinion,nz harness racing is a more honest product than queensland .

I'm sure i started a couple of threads on drivers who did that in queensland one time.

anyways,i not here to be a cheerleader for grahams driving skills,you would have observed her over years,not 6 months like me,but nevertheless,  i do have a different opinion to yours about her driving skils.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

I agree with you about wondering whether she will last here because of the weather.

It must be a lot easier getting out of bed with your lovely climate.

[Gammalite]

42 minutes ago, the galah said:

thats an interesting take on her driving skills.

Like i have said previously,when covid shut down all harness racing for close to 3 months in nz in march 2020,i changed my focus to queensland harness racing and did my own reviews of every race run in that state for about 6 months.

So i saw quite a lot of her driving skills,and  formed the opinion she was one of the best drivers over there as she tried every time,horses i thought clearly ran for her , she made good tactical decisions and she drove kind,which meant her horses would back up.

In my opinion,the opposite applied to her father,who i had not much confidence in to get the best results from his drives.I remember when i did comment along those lines previously on here,you replied about how successful her father has been,and i don't doubt you about that, as i really didn't know too much about him prior to my focus for that 6 month period,but from my observations i thought it obvious horses didn't run for him like they did for his daughter..

my analysis of queensland harness racing was accurate i believe,as i did make a profit overall,its just it wasn't to the level that justified the time. I probably would have carrired on spending the $2000 a day on queensland harness racing if the tab had given me the rebates they said i would get,but they changed the rules and said the account i used didn't qualify for their elite thing,even though they had told me previously,spend x amount and you will qualify. That was just another example of the tab screwing me over and them trying to save a few hundred a month,which was part of the reason i have significantly cut back what i spend these days.

Also,you comment on what queensland harness drivers may say about her driving,and i'm not doubting you,but to me,from what i observed,you had a lot of drivers just going around to earn their driving fee with a preconceived plan to just follow them around and get their horses down in the ratings, so in the future they may end up in a race,with a draw,where they would try.

in my opinion,nz harness racing is a more honest product than queensland .

I'm sure i started a couple of threads on drivers who did that in queensland one time.

anyways,i not here to be a cheerleader for grahams driving skills,you would have observed her over years,not 6 months like me,but nevertheless,  i do have a different opinion to yours about her driving skils.

 

More excellent comment from you . You understand racing very well. 

The barrier draw is crucial to your chances in the speed racing here. We even had a Standing start for the fast class last Saturday night that didn't want to take on LEAP TO FAME in the mobile FFA.

The result was 1-2-3 for the 3 front markers . The speed and judgement they use here is just so good that the 10m and 20m start those horses had on the others was enough to run the Trifecta. all 3 beating the favourite Captain Hammerhead (4th off 20m) , a very nice horse who we have discussed previously.  I hate stands , but they are a GREAT LEVELLER .

yes Brittany's dad Darryl Graham was a very good driver in his day ( had a terrible race track injury once which stopped him a bit) raced against him many times.

And yes perhaps i'm being unfair with how I graded Brittany's efforts. She doesn't go around enough to get any better. Pete McMullen is sensational here , and is Better than Grant D even, and his 3 sisters all have fantastic results too and give their horses a chance everytime. Brittany Graham more likely to be 'Back burried 4 back fence'  or somewhere like that. Have never bet on her drives Once ever. We have such a great line -up of drivers it would be folly to do so.

Adam Sanderson will be driving in some BIG races soon , I rate him only about 20th lol 🤣 you saw him in NZ with SPEAK THE TRUTH which he butchered there and here a few times. even though he placed in a Miracle Mile. Chasing LEAP TO FAME all the time can do that to you I spose ? rips the guts out of your horse. Adam did drive NZer MAJOR HOT in a bit of a fluke win in the QLD Derby last year for the Canterbury "BetNWIN ' White's . does get the odd winner.

Even champs like Blair Orange probably have a "NOT so Good Drive' about one in Four drives ?  is hard to get it right everytime as you have several all around you who Are ALL trying to win too.

MarkP and Wolfie and AGH and Greg Sugars and Cam Hart, Pete McMullen drive TOP races nearly every race . there 'NOT so good ratio drives' is/was very low. One in 6 or 7 maybe ? .  Crystal and Carter good like that too there?

People like Adam and Brittany are probably one in TWO  'Not so good' drives. a few in NZ that Forbury labels might fit in that category ? 🤣🤣 c.Ferguson and B.Hope and Dickie a few times lol .😂  

 

[the galah]

37 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

More excellent comment from you . You understand racing very well. 

The barrier draw is crucial to your chances in the speed racing here. We even had a Standing start for the fast class last Saturday night that didn't want to take on LEAP TO FAME in the mobile FFA.

The result was 1-2-3 for the 3 front markers . The speed and judgement they use here is just so good that the 10m and 20m start those horses had on the others was enough to run the Trifecta. all 3 beating the favourite Captain Hammerhead (4th off 20m) , a very nice horse who we have discussed previously.  I hate stands , but they are a GREAT LEVELLER .

yes Brittany's dad Darryl Graham was a very good driver in his day ( had a terrible race track injury once which stopped him a bit) raced against him many times.

And yes perhaps i'm being unfair with how I graded Brittany's efforts. She doesn't go around enough to get any better. Pete McMullen is sensational here , and is Better than Grant D even, and his 3 sisters all have fantastic results too and give their horses a chance everytime. Brittany Graham more likely to be 'Back burried 4 back fence'  or somewhere like that. Have never bet on her drives Once ever. We have such a great line -up of drivers it would be folly to do so.

Adam Sanderson will be driving in some BIG races soon , I rate him only about 20th lol 🤣 you saw him in NZ with SPEAK THE TRUTH which he butchered there and here a few times. even though he placed in a Miracle Mile. Chasing LEAP TO FAME all the time can do that to you I spose ? rips the guts out of your horse. Adam did drive NZer MAJOR HOT in a bit of a fluke win in the QLD Derby last year for the Canterbury "BetNWIN ' White's . does get the odd winner.

Even champs like Blair Orange probably have a "NOT so Good Drive' about one in Four drives ?  is hard to get it right everytime as you have several all around you who Are ALL trying to win too.

MarkP and Wolfie and AGH and Greg Sugars and Cam Hart, Pete McMullen drive TOP races nearly every race . there 'NOT so good ratio drives' is/was very low. One in 6 or 7 maybe ? .  Crystal and Carter good like that too there?

People like Adam and Brittany are probably one in TWO  'Not so good' drives. a few in NZ that Forbury labels might fit in that category ? 🤣🤣 c.Ferguson and B.Hope and Dickie a few times lol .😂  

 

Discussing drivers is always something i find interesting.Both you and i have seen plenty over the years and i'm sure we know what we are talking about.

we disagree on b graham.i did used to bet on horses she drove quite a bit,and i formed my opinions around that.i had a good oopinion of her driving skills and integrity.Sometimes she didn't seem to drive,maybe she was on trackside presentling,but her father seemed to take over the stable drives and his horses just didn't run for him like they did for her and he was more a stop /start driver and they aren't the good ones.

all those other drivers you mention,all great drivers.

I know you like g dixon,but i just see him team driving too much to be a fan. But i'm defintely a fan of how he has handled leap to fame and his driving of him. One of the greatest combinations ever. 

i think b orange is the best driver in australasia. You rate others above him,fair enough,i just put him on top because you know he not only has the skills,but is always trying.Sure, occasionally over burn on horses sometimes,but hes doing that because hes trying to get into a position to get the best placing at a time when the pace is slackest,not just go around to run at the back,waiting for 2 or 3 weeks time. P mcmullen seems to do the same in queensland.Hes your best,as you say. What more can a punter ask for.

what i find off putting  about queensland harness racing is you seem to have so many drivers who are related to each other or in relationships with each other. And it shows when they drive against each other.Thats a consequence of an industry erodes its base of industry participants.Thats happening here and will impact peoples perception of the industry down the track.

[TAB For Ever]

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

More excellent comment from you . You understand racing very well. 

The barrier draw is crucial to your chances in the speed racing here. We even had a Standing start for the fast class last Saturday night that didn't want to take on LEAP TO FAME in the mobile FFA.

The result was 1-2-3 for the 3 front markers . The speed and judgement they use here is just so good that the 10m and 20m start those horses had on the others was enough to run the Trifecta. all 3 beating the favourite Captain Hammerhead (4th off 20m) , a very nice horse who we have discussed previously.  I hate stands , but they are a GREAT LEVELLER .

yes Brittany's dad Darryl Graham was a very good driver in his day ( had a terrible race track injury once which stopped him a bit) raced against him many times.

And yes perhaps i'm being unfair with how I graded Brittany's efforts. She doesn't go around enough to get any better. Pete McMullen is sensational here , and is Better than Grant D even, and his 3 sisters all have fantastic results too and give their horses a chance everytime. Brittany Graham more likely to be 'Back burried 4 back fence'  or somewhere like that. Have never bet on her drives Once ever. We have such a great line -up of drivers it would be folly to do so.

Adam Sanderson will be driving in some BIG races soon , I rate him only about 20th lol 🤣 you saw him in NZ with SPEAK THE TRUTH which he butchered there and here a few times. even though he placed in a Miracle Mile. Chasing LEAP TO FAME all the time can do that to you I spose ? rips the guts out of your horse. Adam did drive NZer MAJOR HOT in a bit of a fluke win in the QLD Derby last year for the Canterbury "BetNWIN ' White's . does get the odd winner.

Even champs like Blair Orange probably have a "NOT so Good Drive' about one in Four drives ?  is hard to get it right everytime as you have several all around you who Are ALL trying to win too.

MarkP and Wolfie and AGH and Greg Sugars and Cam Hart, Pete McMullen drive TOP races nearly every race . there 'NOT so good ratio drives' is/was very low. One in 6 or 7 maybe ? .  Crystal and Carter good like that too there?

People like Adam and Brittany are probably one in TWO  'Not so good' drives. a few in NZ that Forbury labels might fit in that category ? 🤣🤣 c.Ferguson and B.Hope and Dickie a few times lol .😂  

 

IMO Gamma you can add Harrison Orange to your list of very promising drivers....maybe with the X factor as horses seem to really run for him . 

Also Wilson House can get them running  on well when the others stopping thru impatience ! 

I see both the above repping NZ , with two others in the upcoming Junior series !

[Gammalite]

5 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

IMO Gamma you can add Harrison Orange to your list of very promising drivers....maybe with the X factor as horses seem to really run for him . 

Also Wilson House can get them running  on well when the others stopping thru impatience ! 

I see both the above repping NZ , with two others in the upcoming Junior series !

absolutely fantastic. Crystal and Harrison have as many wins as star Junior Carter Dalgety at around 40 wins each this year (season) already.

Junior 'House' has a few more than that even, but his are nearly all country horse wins. so 4th best at moment IMO.

with 4 quality drivers like that leading the Junior ranks , with more Wins than ever for junior drivers in a year, things are looking great for driving in Harness racing for years to come.  

Edited 6 hours ago by Gammalite