greyhound impact on harness

[the galah]

so does anyone have the figures as regards income lost from the harness tracks that currently host  greyhound racing?

i feel sorry for the greyhound people and you would think they deserve some type of government compensation ,but wouldn't it be fair to expect the government to also compensate the harness clubs for the lost income.  Probably wishful thinking.Whats hrnz doing to negotiate with the government as far as that goes,or are they doing nothing or is it all hush hush like so many. An issue that just blows in the wind and only for the ears of those its job is to spin jn a way that shows them in a positive light.

They also say the equivalent of 355 people in canterbury are currently employed . I read recently about the substantial cost one trainer had incurred to relocate to aussie.

currently addington,cambridge,manawatu and southland have greyhound clubs paying to host racing.

addington must have significnat current inclme that they wont be getting from the end of july next year.

And whats the turnover % gained from having no greyhounds.

i read that grnz annual report for 2023 stated that tab turnover from greyhound racing was 361 million,representing 14.2% of its domestic and 23.3% of its overseas turnover.

so exactly how much do nz punters spend on aussie greyhounds and what % or $ amount will end up coming back to harness racing. 

And greyhounds obviously contribute to tab running costs and the likes of the rib.

Is anyone going to tell people at any point,the scale of the impact of greyhound closing will have on harness. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:42 AM by the galah

[Withadream2]

There may be a bit of water to go under the bridge on this topic.  I just have a feeling the ban could potentially be overturned by the courts.  Just my thoughts with no inside information admittedly. 

[Yes Yes No]

Addington greyhounds pay approximately $2000 per meeting last time I asked.

Then trainers spend in Spectators and also when they have trackside dining.more income they will lose

[mikeynz]

The trotting Club in Invercargill use to pay the racing club each day, not sure if they still do or what arrangement they have now but without the dogs Ascot Park will also be worse off.

[mikeynz]

19 hours ago, Withadream2 said:

There may be a bit of water to go under the bridge on this topic.  I just have a feeling the ban could potentially be overturned by the courts.  Just my thoughts with no inside information admittedly. 

Question is, have they stopped breeding any new ones.

[Special Agent]

9 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Question is, have they stopped breeding any new ones.

I think so.

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Special Agent said:

I think so.

Why would they be breeding greyhounds now if you wont be able to race them?

Reality is that the stupid decision to ban greyhound racing providing it doesn't get overturned, means that greyhounds will become extinct in NZ within 5 years!

Highly doubt people will breed greyhounds as pets, even if they do make good oets apparently.

Banning The crazy Greens and the dangerous TPM would be a far better idea coming from Winnie and co.

[mikeynz]

40 minutes ago, Brodie said:

 

Banning The crazy Greens and the dangerous TPM would be a far better idea coming from Winnie and co.

If they desexed many of both party supporters, especially the latter it would be a major step forward for all NZ.

[Chief Stipe]

On 3/06/2025 at 2:38 PM, the galah said:

Whats hrnz doing to negotiate with the government as far as that goes,or are they doing nothing or is it all hush hush like so many.

What do you think is the main motivation is for the New Committee working between TABNZ and ENTAIN?  The elite Thoroughbred stakeholders are not stupid and they are outvoting Harness on that new committee.

[the galah]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

What do you think is the main motivation is for the New Committee working between TABNZ and ENTAIN?  The elite Thoroughbred stakeholders are not stupid and they are outvoting Harness on that new committee.

Well the fact that we are speculating what the thoroughbred majority committee will be advising the minister on,is of some concern from a harness perspective.

For example,will they be looking at the distribution % model for the codes from turnovers generated overseas. Who knows,but thats something the thoroughbred people have always wanted changed.Maybe all these extra meetings hrnz have been having, has been a means to increase overall turnover on the basis that there may be changes to the distribution model in the future. But i would guess,with the greyhounds going ,that may be looked at,but its only a guess.

i guess they will be looking at how to maximise turnover from dates and the thoroughbreds will say,well we generate the most so we will be entitiled to the best dates,but they already get them anyway,so i don't see the dates thing being impacted much.

the gallops have an issue with lots of abandonments meetings,but i don't see how an advisory committee can come up with solutions that the thoroughbred industy hasn't already tried. But i guess they will point out the financial impact of those abandonments.

will they make recommendations around tracks like the messara report. I would guess they will keep away from that.who knows

Some of the people on that committee haveinterests in the breeding,will they comment on that.

Thouroughbreds interests i would expect will have more influence with peters,but they are the larger group so thats not unexpected.

In 2018 they had an advisory group,made up of some of the same people,come up with a report,after the messara thing.

Looking at where we are,did that help much? 

what would i personally want to see.

i want to see an analysis of whether both codes are being fiscally responsible with the funding they have been receiving,whether the current level of stakemoney being paid out is sustainable,i would like to see recommendations around establishing performance based employment contracts for those leading each industry.

What do you think chief.

Edited yesterday at 01:50 AM by the galah

[the galah]

5 minutes ago, the galah said:

Well the fact that we are speculating what the thoroughbred majority committee will be advising the minister on,is of some concern from a harness perspective.

For example,will they be looking at the distribution % model for the codes from turnovers generated overseas. Who knows,but thats something the thoroughbred people have always wanted changed.Maybe all these extra meetings hrnz have been having, has been a means to increase overall turnover on the basis that there may be changes to the distribution model in the future. But i would guess,with the greyhounds going ,that may be looked at,but its only a guess.

i guess they will be looking at how to maximise turnover from dates and the thoroughbreds will say,well we generate the most so we will be entitiled to the best dates,but they already get them anyway,so i don't see the dates thing being impacted much.

the gallops have an issue with lots of abandonments meetings,but i don't see how an advisory committee can come up with solutions that the thoroughbred industy hasn't already tried. But i guess they will point out the financial impact of those abandonments.

will they make recommendations around tracks like the messara report. I would guess they will keep away from that.who knows

Some of the people on that committee haveinterests in the breeding,will they comment on that.

Thouroughbreds interests i would expect will have more influence with peters,but they are the larger group so thats not unexpected.

In 2018 they had an advisory group,made up of some of the same people,come up with a report,after the messara thing.

Looking at where we are,did that help much? 

what would i personally want to see.

i want to see an analysis of whether both codes are being fiscally responsible with the funding they have been receiving,whether the current level of stakemoney being paid out is sustainable,i would like to see recommendations around establishing performance based employment contracts for those leading each industry.

What do you think chief.

actually at the end of the day theres a lot of realities that won't change and have to be accepted,so you have to plan around those realities and not make false promises or give out false hope. There is a sustainable way forward for sure,but are the policies currently being implemented leading us there?

its best to just tell it as it is,i hope this committee does that. 

[the galah]

On 4/06/2025 at 9:55 AM, Yes Yes No said:

Addington greyhounds pay approximately $2000 per meeting last time I asked.

Then trainers spend in Spectators and also when they have trackside dining.more income they will lose

so,going by how many meetings they have, addington will take a hit of close to half a million when the greyhounds are finished. Thats a lot of money.

[mikeynz]

32 minutes ago, the galah said:

so,going by how many meetings they have, addington will take a hit of close to half a million when the greyhounds are finished. Thats a lot of money.

Well many think that the cup stake is too high, problem solved😁

[Brodie]

1 minute ago, mikeynz said:

Well many think that the cup stake is too high, problem solved😁

Dont worry, the NZ Cup will be something like 200k in 3 years.

[mikeynz]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

Dont worry, the NZ Cup will be something like 200k in 3 years.

Gee it will be getting down to the 6 horse 2 year old race levels.