Auckland/Cambridge.

[mikeynz]

Judging by numbers, might be smarter running one night instead of two, they lack numbers as a rule, less than Southland and Southland survive on a 10 day break at present, would save cost in transport, tv cost etc etc

[mikeynz]

Only 5 races at Cambridge tomorrow, seems it would make more sense only one Northern meeting per week at present, with maybe 12 races, add to that if you bulk up field sizes you might get genuine winners instead of some winning by default, while as one poster says lots of happy owners but this can't be in the best interest of HRNZ.

[Nowornever]

The fields this week up north can only be described as an abortion. I will not touch them. They are an embarrassment.

 

[mikeynz]

Well would make more sense one day, travelling cost reduced, trackside crew don't do it for nought, you can make allowances for Manawatu or some areas a bit light sometimes but in the North, one day a week is sufficient, seems to be at the other end of the country.

Edited 22 hours ago by mikeynz

[Brodie]

Na all is Rosey, Brad Steele says so!

Plenty of money left from Entain, even though the NZ Government is actually shelling out tens of millions to Entain so they do not lose as much according to Greyhound Racing NZ.

HRNZ need to take their blinkers off and start acting financially fiscally.

[mikeynz]

23 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Na all is Rosey, Brad Steele says so!

Plenty of money left from Entain, even though the NZ Government is actually shelling out tens of millions to Entain so they do not lose as much according to Greyhound Racing NZ.

HRNZ need to take their blinkers off and start acting financially fiscally.

What would be the point in selling a training centre to keep a course open when more than likely the supply of runners will more than likely dry up, can't have one without the other.

[Brodie]

Reality is that harness racing is not travelling well despite the picture that HRNZ is trying to paint!

Not sure when this committee that Winstone wants is going to be formed and take action?

Yes for some they think thinks are going well for harness but it is being held together by the money that come from Entain, but that is going to finish!

Then we find out that the NZ Government taxpayer is shelling out tens of millions to Entain and then they get 50% of the online gambling and sports profit??

McAnulty signed off on one hell of a bad deal for NZ and a great deal for Entain,  but then again so many appallingly bad things occurred when Labour was in control of NZ.

Edited 20 hours ago by Brodie

[mikeynz]

The government is shelling out millions to Entain, really?

[curious]

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2506/S00124/new-analysis-details-government-annual-gift-of-119m-to-multinational-gambling-company.htm

[mikeynz]

30 minutes ago, curious said:

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2506/S00124/new-analysis-details-government-annual-gift-of-119m-to-multinational-gambling-company.htm

And if revenue remains static?

[Gammalite]

5 hours ago, Nowornever said:

The fields this week up north can only be described as an abortion. I will not touch them. They are an embarrassment.

 

An embarrassment ?? people having fun with their sport. Why do you have to get involved as a Naysayer of the sport anyway ? go and do some knitting or something. 

Best think ever is  that HRNZ LOOKING after the Grass roots people with SLOW horses,  so they can have fun .

The GAlah was calling for HRNZ to look after the 'grass roots ' .You guys all saying the Elite getting looked after too well ??  🤣  here they are doing it. HRNZ looking after the slow ones , and then get an 'abortion of a comment 'like yours ,😄

that's pretty funny.

Just up the road from me tonight a few horses are racing at Redcliffe . The slowest of the slow 🤣.  an extra meeting so they can have some fun. only $4000 races. winners get $2300 I think. 7 Winners getting a weeks wages .

And NOBODY here is calling it an abortion or an Embarassment in the slightest  ( or are betting on them lol🤣 )    Racing QLD has put up some races for them to get a WINNER.  How IMPORTANT that is , to keep them happy. 

Great to see HRNZ trying to do the same tomorrow in the Waikato 👍👍 it's how harness racing can Survive.

[Nowornever]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

An embarrassment ?? people having fun with their sport. Why do you have to get involved as a Naysayer of the sport anyway ? go and do some knitting or something. 

If you call a five race meeting fun with none of the fields having more than 8 horses and one of those 5 races a five horse field, then good luck to you. 

There is no way I am betting at that load of shite and I am willing to bet that is a losing meeting for funding with the turnover nowhere near covering the cost of running it.

People may be having fun at their sport but I suppose the people on the Titanic were having fun at some stage too.

[Brodie]

Gamma, great that you can race in Queensland 2 or 3 times a week for at least $4k.

They should never have closed the Parklands course to build those hideous coloured boxes!

Thing is, when the funding from Entain finishes they may well be needing to race for stakes half of what they are currently racing  for here.

If this is the case I highly suspect that the industry will crash big time as I reckon with the cost of having a horse trained will not justify racing one.

Owners are getting older snd the young ones will not be entering into new ownerships!

Problem currently is that HRNZ I personally believe are mismanaging things and this will probably come out once the committee does the due diligence on what is happening with the Entain cash splash wastage!

More than happy to not be on the money on this one?

[mikeynz]

11 hours ago, Brodie said:

Gamma, great that you can race in Queensland 2 or 3 times a week for at least $4k.

They should never have closed the Parklands course to build those hideous coloured boxes!

Thing is, when the funding from Entain finishes they may well be needing to race for stakes half of what they are currently racing  for here.

If this is the case I highly suspect that the industry will crash big time as I reckon with the cost of having a horse trained will not justify racing one.

Owners are getting older snd the young ones will not be entering into new ownerships!

Problem currently is that HRNZ I personally believe are mismanaging things and this will probably come out once the committee does the due diligence on what is happening with the Entain cash splash wastage!

More than happy to not be on the money on this one?

Hard to believe the governments propping up Entain, maybe the old TAB wasn't as bad as we first thought but the hypocrisy of still allowing greyhound betting on aussie dogs when ours are over is strange.

I also believe that geo blocking won't be the windfall they think it is.

Most of the actions Peter's is instigating is being pushed by his high flying galloping mates up north who basically don't give a shit about anybody else but themselves, i doubt many of them even give a shit about racing south of cook straight, hence their desire to move more and more of the big races to Ellerslie.

[Gammalite]

13 hours ago, Nowornever said:

If you call a five race meeting fun with none of the fields having more than 8 horses and one of those 5 races a five horse field, then good luck to you. 

There is no way I am betting at that load of shite and I am willing to bet that is a losing meeting for funding with the turnover nowhere near covering the cost of running it.

People may be having fun at their sport but I suppose the people on the Titanic were having fun at some stage too.

 

5 -6 horse fields are great .  (currently we use 9 at most country meetings in QLD ) but with tough times and expenses approaching that number will drop .

This is because Every runner gets a chance in the running. even if still back last at the quarter mile . (400m to run)

we lobbyed 'Racing Queensland' hard in Queensland to cut the field size for Albion Park mile racing from 12 starters to 10. This gives all runners a FAIR GO and a CHANCE to win .

starting 12 horses just meant the horses running 11th or 12th were NO HOPE even quarter mile out, as just too far off the leaders. That is NO GOOD for the Owner or the driver, or the horse , or the Punter. NO Good.

Field sizes should be as small as possible at a meeting to Increase all those parties HAVING A WIN.   

Also as you mentioned there is the IMPORTANT 'fun'  expect competing. That's why the SPORT Exists . It's not a Poker machine for gambling addicts 🤣😂 

Love your picture posted by the way . Match races are ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC . Zac would love It. 

Imagine the crowd Leap To Fame v Don Hugo would draw ? one on one. Magical moment it would be.

Pure Steel and Satinover drew a crowd of 20 ,000 . they lined the whole course at Perth All the Way around.

You don't know what great racing is? .  is the NZ problem in general really.

match racing would be Stunning !!!

BUT  10 horses SLOT racing Brilliant too. !!!!! Drawing the Best horses on the planet. NZ Metropolitan Club and Albion Park and Menangle and Perth are instilling them each year for maximum effect.  excellent Progress !!!💰

(15-16 horses standing starts is something from the Dark ages) 

here's a 2 horse race for you. listen to that crowd. Appreciation of the sport. unlike some. 

 

[mikeynz]

2 horse racing may be interesting but 2 horse fields might be the new norm someday, and who's going to punt if they like Trifectas and First Four only lol.

[Gammalite]

4 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

2 horse racing may be interesting but 2 horse fields might be the new norm someday, and who's going to punt if they like Trifectas and First Four only lol.

Good one Mikey . 😆 you won't be hitting the Trifecta in that one .

We ran Australia's Greatest Race the Miracle Mile with 6 horses fields for decades. Was quite successful. Then transferring to Menangle , it is still run with Maximum 8 horse fields . It is still amazingly Successful 

People can still bet on it , and do. 

USA /Cananda have ONLY 8 horse field races one after another at all tracks . sometimes 15 races on the card. 

Plenty of Trifecta's , PICK 6, First 4 's and all sorts for you to hit. 💰

THIS IS the Way to do it . and Australia and NZ should follow that model.  Aus getting closer all the time . 

EVERY runner gets a chance to Win . the Slot racing 10 starters is ok though. a Great innovation. 

But YES , indeed One day Match Racing MIght return. 

If LEAP TO FAME took  on NZ's Single BEST horse somewhere it would even get on the NATIONAL NEWS. we havn't been on the news bulletins for over a decade now. BRING BACK the MATCH RAce !!!!!  

 

 

[Gammalite]

13 hours ago, Nowornever said:

There is no way I am betting at that load of shite and I am willing to bet that is a losing meeting for funding with the turnover nowhere near covering the cost of running it.

5 x $8000 races that entertains hundreds of people , many people making some wages ,, making a living,   the staff at the track, the broadcasters, the people working the Horses (they put in a huge effort)   ? 

All for the price of a cheap new car . $40k . What a bargain . Plenty of happy people about. but you say ABORTION . eject this foetus . don't let them play . Embarrassment ??. 

Nays it's Shite. a proud supporter of the sport. You should join Carlton lol 🤣.  some Embarassment then 🤣.

If they can't afford $40k to pay a heap of owners and trainers and drivers at Waikato today , cause you have shite yourself , maybe drop to the prizemoney in half then ? 

Run the races for $4000 each instead of $8000 then. save you a few precious dollars? ya poor thing 

Some people pay for their entertainment . some don't want too.

We ran 7 races for about a $30k total last night at Redcliffe. no-one Aborted. just had a Fun time.