Addington Day racing - Late start?

[Brodie]

Just wondering why Addington Sunday racing doesnt start till nearly half past one and finishing after 6pm?

In Winter wouldn’t those concerned prefer to start earlier and finish around 5pm?

Must be a reason for it, but the first half of the card has 40 minutes between races?

Very hard on those concerned and just shows just how dedicated you have to be nowadays to be involved with the horses in Winter!

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Just wondering why Addington Sunday racing doesnt start till nearly half past one and finishing after 6pm?

In Winter wouldn’t those concerned prefer to start earlier and finish around 5pm?

Must be a reason for it, but the first half of the card has 40 minutes between races?

Very hard on those concerned and just shows just how dedicated you have to be nowadays to be involved with the horses in Winter!

the 40 minute gaps will be because they have the 4 nz meetings on a sunday.

I started a thread about it a while ago when they started the 40 minute gaps.

The gallops have been running 2 sunday meetings a lot over the last few months.

if you were trying to discourage people from attending race meetings,the 40 minute gaps would be the way to go.

I guess they don't want anyone being on course these days apart from those with horses engaged.

Oamaru and addingtion at least appear to be going to have a fine day.

The temperature  predicted to get to as high as 10. 

you have to laugh,well i find it funny anyway.

at least the harness people recognise more the need for their nz product be a priority for them.

Turnovers for the gallops on the sundays don't seem much more than the trots,from my observations.S

I guess the gallops people must value the money generated from the aussie product above promoting participation in their sunday and midweek meetings.

Edited yesterday at 11:06 AM by the galah

[Brodie]

10 hours ago, the galah said:

the 40 minute gaps will be because they have the 4 nz meetings on a sunday.

I started a thread about it a while ago when they started the 40 minute gaps.

The gallops have been running 2 sunday meetings a lot over the last few months.

if you were trying to discourage people from attending race meetings,the 40 minute gaps would be the way to go.

I guess they don't want anyone being on course these days apart from those with horses engaged.

Oamaru and addingtion at least appear to be going to have a fine day.

The temperature  predicted to get to as high as 10. 

you have to laugh,well i find it funny anyway.

at least the harness people recognise more the need for their nz product be a priority for them.

Turnovers for the gallops on the sundays don't seem much more than the trots,from my observations.S

I guess the gallops people must value the money generated from the aussie product above promoting participation in their sunday and midweek meetings.

Not sure that having 4 meetings on in NZ is a great reason to have 40 minutes between races?

Harness punters with any sense are not wagering on gallops meeting in Winter in NZ!

Run the meetings on different channels so that they are not overlapping each other, it is not that difficult?

Look at the way they do it in Ozzie, and we do not need to have all these crap meetings from around the world that no one has heard of!!!!

 

[the galah]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Not sure that having 4 meetings on in NZ is a great reason to have 40 minutes between races?

Harness punters with any sense are not wagering on gallops meeting in Winter in NZ!

Run the meetings on different channels so that they are not overlapping each other, it is not that difficult?

Look at the way they do it in Ozzie, and we do not need to have all these crap meetings from around the world that no one has heard of!!!!

 

On one hand you get adminsirators saying we need to get more people interested in ownership,then on the other hand those people knowingly do something which they know discourages people from attending. I thought part of the thrill of having a racehorse was being there when it ran?

Like imagine sitting around at oamaru on sunday. The gallopers will come out 5 minutes before the race,go down to the start,race 3 minutes later,then the public will sit around for about half an hour twiddling their thumbs in the cold before they see anything again.

its nonsensical,but you see that a lot these days.

Its veryn obvious that the galloping people  want punters to bet on the aussie product on a saturday,instead of having 3 nz galloping meetings. And because of that harness racing is impacted.

 

there seems no self awareness of what people in charge say sometimes..

My favorite topic, the next gen promotion of ownership for under 40 year olds,is an example.

last month,on the hrnz website they had an article about the 4 whitelocks getting into the ownership and used that as a reason to promote the next gen.

So these,high profile,quite wealthy people by the average persons standards,according to hrnz were going to race a horse in partnership with their parents, supposedly because of the next gen bonus of getting a small payout for simply lining up.

well thats good,they seem nice people  and good luck to them.

But heres what the article said was the reason why hadn't they raced a horse previously.

to quote the article

"They have always had an interest in it,but they have been so busy with their own  families and sports and things"

Well hullo ,heres hrnz,without any self awareness, giving us the reason why its not a good use of resources to prioritise getting people under 40 into race ownership.

Its like,hey fellas,don't you realsie your telling us without realising,that theres a good reason you'll only ever have limited success in achieving geting people under 40  into ownership.

Just ask the whitelocks why. To quote them"they are so busy with their families,sports and things". 

Anyways,the 40 minute gap thing .on one hand they moan about no one going to the races,then on the otherhand they are the cause of part of the reason.

Edited 8 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

14 hours ago, the galah said:

I guess they don't want anyone being on course these days apart from those with horses engaged.

absolutely true.  for the routine slow class horses meetings.

I go along 2 or 3 times a year in QLD. Saturday night had a fairly mild numbered crowd , even with Leap To Fame racing.

The day meetings are incredibly quiet , with most horses not even having their owners attending it seems. It's just a business for the Trainers and their staff to operate and compete at as a sport.

Up in the grandstand . just a handful of people. I asked one of the officials why no-one here? since most (nearly all)  of the suburban TAB outlets have closed the past 3 years.

His answer was , we don't want them at the track . Ladbrokes (the Main sponsor ) want them at home hammering their keyboard with bets rather than using the TAB. they spend Way more money that way. And the cost of Security is nil now as it was a huge expense before ( and tote staff, bar staff , etc) Security at sports events is a huge expense like at the footy and that. and indeed the young lass that took my order for a beef roll for lunch , then dashed around to the bar (not far from the eats)  when I approached it , as she was serving the drinks as well !! 😳 

that's how quiet it is . the food orders girl also serves the bar. The racing was still quite good with amazing horsemen out on the track , so still very hard to Win a Race.  

[mikeynz]

13 minutes ago, the galah said:

 

Anyways,the 40 minute gap thing .on one hand they moan about no one going to the races,then on the otherhand they are the cause of part of the reason.

Don't think 25 minute intervals will drag any more public in but 40 minutes gap will drive anyone away.

Television rules, happens in many sport, but 40 mins, day must drag for all.

[Nowornever]

15 hours ago, the galah said:

4 nz meetings on a sunday.

Normally three because a gallops one always gets abandoned nine times out of ten lol

[the galah]

47 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

 I asked one of the officials why no-one here? since most (nearly all)  of the suburban TAB outlets have closed the past 3 years.

His answer was , we don't want them at the track . Ladbrokes (the Main sponsor ) want them at home hammering their keyboard with bets rather than using the TAB. they spend Way more money that way. And the cost of Security is nil now as it was a huge expense before ( and tote staff, bar staff , etc) Security at sports events is a huge expense like at the footy and that. and indeed the young lass that took my order for a beef roll for lunch , then dashed around to the bar (not far from the eats)  when I approached it , as she was serving the drinks as well !! 😳 

 

thats the impression you get from reading about some of the decisions they are making in both countries.

Its like the one in victoria where they took away,from nearly all the smaller meetings,the facilities to place a bet at a teminal on course or place cash bets. They now only have that for feature provincial or country meetings.

Its a policy which really is stripping the codes abilty to apply stategies, which introduce the first steps on the road to greater participation.

the biggest thing that attracts people to racing is the horses and the people you meet and interact with when at a race meeting.

you know,the direction we are heading will ultimately be to racings detriment. No question whatsoever.

It reminds me of the story i've related a couple of times on here. Its the one of the discussion i had with a compulsive gambler on the pokies.

he viewed gambling on the pokies as very different to gambling on the horses. The pokies he sadi,its you and the machine,it just becomes something which isolates you from even the people sitting next to you. Whereas,observe as he said,betting on the horses involves social interaction with people and you have the horses.

so,we know the bean counters at entain in reality are about the $.

They don't care whether someone is having a good time,a social day out at the races. They only care about getting them to bet.and its that very policy which is driving a disconnect between the public and horse racing and that disconnect will be reflected in less particaption and less appreciation of the horses and people involved in the sport and the many positive things that involve local communities as well.

Current administrators seem to be happily following this path of self inflicted demise,with next to no pushback. Its sad to watch.

Edited 8 hours ago by the galah

[mikeynz]

Galah, I raised my eyes regarding your comment about the Public at Oamaru on Sunday sitting around twiddling their thumbs between races, you must assume there will be anyone from the public, no guarantee of that.

[Brodie]

If you do not get patrons on course, you will not get them as new owners, end of story!

We are really just going through the motions at the moment, with HRNZ putting the Entain money into stakes and  bonuses!

When the 5 years is up, they will finally wake up to what some of us are trying to point out, but seems to be falling on deaf ears!

The ones in the suits that are making these decisions will be back in Oz long gone!