harness 5000

[PeterLambFan]

17 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

 

re: greyhounds

They shut the greyhounds down once 2016 in NSW for a time, but then the government shortly after overturned the decision as 2000 people would of lost their livelihood. so they made welfare changes in the industry  and away they went again. NZ should do that. 😊

 

 

 

Can't see the government overturing the decision here. 

 

[Brodie]

38 minutes ago, PeterLambFan said:

Brodie, you are on the money! This is more egregious than the treatment of restricted punters.

The thing is that I feel that the greyhound industry has not protested hard enough.

Someone needed to take the bull by the horns and led the participants to actually fight for their industry!

I reckon too many are just accepting of what they are told to do, apathy is rife in NZ it was shown during the Covid scam.

Defies total logic when they say that greyhounds who chase without being forced to is cruel?

What is more cruel is that this decision to cancel dog racing is going to make the greyhound extinct in NZ  within a few years!

This is cruel and yet the greyhound people continue to race without significant protest?

Once the industry is closed it is gone forever so they need to fight their cause!

Edited yesterday at 10:44 AM by Brodie

[TAB For Ever]

13 hours ago, Gammalite said:

yes it is hard to imagine someone sitting there thinking , I'll go to that stallion with my mare next year to get a foal that can race in a -$5k service fee race. Sires Stakes racing much better.

On breeding , 3 of my All time favourites for Ability ( Tiger Tara, Lazarus and Leap To Fame ) all by Bettors D, looked a chance of being the 'next Generation' Stallions . BUT....

the Tiger Tara's are doing nothing , so he stands for just $3,500 now . Lazarus showing at $5000 fee I think , might change this year. Opinion is devided  ? some say ok , some say underperforming ?'.

so doubt I would rush off to 'Leap To Fame' when he retires without considering other options for my mare.  It's a fickle game the breeding.😁

anyone said to you anything TABman ? about the Lazarus stock ?  

Gamma , there is talk that the Lazarus progeny need a bit of time ...ie they will flourish at 3,4 and 5...maybe wishful thinking .

I'm not sure how many sires are $5k or less but there are a few getting results with limited opportunities.

Most breeders are going for the commercially popular sires which attract the higher prices at yearling sales.

I note the popular sire Always B Miki is not travelling down this year cos of injury. That leaves a gap 1

Sky Major and Vincent are two value propositions along with the likes of LatherUp ,Ultimate Machete, Terror To Love ,BlingIt On.McWicked ,Locherburn,For A Reason .

In the trotters there are Regal Inspiration ,Speeding Spur ,Majestic Son ,Imperial Count ,Creatine , Marcoola , Habiti Inta ,OneOver Da Moon.

And more may now drop below that $5000 limit.

Breeding seems so hard now ...an expensive hobby indeed and the farmers who had the pastures to raise em have sold out and/or getting too old to bother now.

[Rangatira]

17 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

And more may now drop below that $5000 limit.

Lazarus $4000 this season - Pay on 42 day positive test.

$5000 pay on live foal.

Includes the vet breeding package AND the working fee

Edited 5 hours ago by Rangatira

[Brodie]

5 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

Lazarus $4000 this season - Pay on 42 day positive test.

$5000 pay on live foal.

Includes the vet breeding package AND the working fee

There will be plenty of stallions currently standing for under.

The thing is this initiative this year for these races for $60k will be a one off, as the industry realistically just can not afford to run these races of punting proceeds, so highly doubt they will continue!

Entains money is not never ending!

 

[Rangatira]

44 minutes ago, Brodie said:

The thing is this initiative this year for these races for $60k will be a one off, as the industry realistically just can not afford to run these races of punting proceeds, so highly doubt they will continue!

With a commitment from Harness Racing New Zealand to run this series for at least the next 5 years

[paleface adios]

2 hours ago, Rangatira said:

Lazarus $4000 this season - Pay on 42 day positive test.

$5000 pay on live foal.

Includes the vet breeding package AND the working fee

Good marketing  manager  working there

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Rangatira said:

With a commitment from Harness Racing New Zealand to run this series for at least the next 5 years

Now I am very worried!

Crazy!!
So where is the money coming from Ranga?

 

[Gammalite]

Woodlands Stud will be spitting chips. 😆 I guess they can handle no 'Bettors' at $25 k

But DownByThe Seaside , Sweet Lou and American Ideal are all around $10k service Fee so won't have any runners in the new series of races at all. Oh dear.🙄

What about Dave Jessop who stood Vance Hanover for $500 that time. Got hundreds of mares when Dave stood him at Placid lodge . 1984 he had 400 Mares !!!! a World Record 😁.

Some great horsemen worked with that stallion . Fraser Kirk at Vance Lodge and the semen was sent to Kevin Williams to inseminate the Mares down at Templeton. alas the stallion dropped dead at just 17 years old. 😪

Everyone Rushed Mares to him (Vance Hanover)  at the bargain basement price . Kiwis love to save a dollar where they can 😆 (unless you're Brodie trying to unload on some obscure horse somewhere 🤣)

maybe NZ should saturate the entire Market with a CHEAP Stallion Fee once again ??? (to a top breed stallion) 

  

Edited 2 hours ago by Gammalite

[Rangatira]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

So where is the money coming from Ranga?

 

[TAB For Ever]

57 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Woodlands Stud will be spitting chips. 😆 I guess they can handle no 'Bettors' at $25 k

But DownByThe Seaside , Sweet Lou and American Ideal are all around $10k service Fee so won't have any runners in the new series of races at all. Oh dear.🙄

What about Dave Jessop who stood Vance Hanover for $500 that time. Got hundreds of mares when Dave stood him at Placid lodge . 1984 he had 400 Mares !!!! a World Record 😁.

Some great horsemen worked with that stallion . Fraser Kirk at Vance Lodge and the semen was sent to Kevin Williams to inseminate the Mares down at Templeton. alas the stallion dropped dead at just 17 years old. 😪

Everyone Rushed Mares to him (Vance Hanover)  at the bargain basement price . Kiwis love to save a dollar where they can 😆 (unless you're Brodie trying to unload on some obscure horse somewhere 🤣)

maybe NZ should saturate the entire Market with a CHEAP Stallion Fee once again ??? (to a top breed stallion) 

  

Now days I find the stud service fee to be of little concern.

its the day to day homing ,feeding ,training that takes its toll on the funds then the vet services can be eyewatering .

And all these are much higher in the North ,even the hay is way more expensive !

[paleface adios]

3 hours ago, Rangatira said:

Lazarus $4000 this season - Pay on 42 day positive test.

$5000 pay on live foal.

Includes the vet breeding package AND the working fee

What about sky major doing good job at stud hope he got some good mares 

[Brodie]

HRNZ may well have promised this series for 5 years!

No way on earth will they be paying out as much as $60k per race after Entain’s cash splash is finished!

So breeding to a $5k stallion this season so they can race in this series in the next few years means the horse being bred will be outside the 5 years!!

 

[TAB For Ever]

26 minutes ago, Brodie said:

HRNZ may well have promised this series for 5 years!

No way on earth will they be paying out as much as $60k per race after Entain’s cash splash is finished!

So breeding to a $5k stallion this season so they can race in this series in the next few years means the horse being bred will be outside the 5 years!!

 

Well enjoy the next 5 years .....after that things could be up in air , and some new incentives will be available for the cheaper/value fees.

A new boom sire will be in vogue ! 

So much to worry and moan about......for what 

IMO a good time to be involved !

[Brodie]

12 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said:

Well enjoy the next 5 years .....after that things could be up in air , and some new incentives will be available for the cheaper/value fees.

A new boom sire will be in vogue ! 

So much to worry and moan about......for what 

IMO a good time to be involved !

TAB, great to have initiatives that are positive for harness racing without doubt!

Can you unequivocally state that you believe that shelling out $720,000 times 5 so $3,600,000 thats right $3.6 million in stakes for  owners of horses bred to cheap stallions is going to be the best way to spend it, vor the benefit of harness?

Anyway good that you comment as that is what we need, people expressing their view!

The reality is that this series is only due to the Entain cash splash or it would not be happening.

Have no confidence in many of the decisions being made and happy to be wrong for the future success of harness racing!

At the end of the day time will tell who is correct as we look back in 2 or 3 years time on BOAY!

The committee that is coming will hopefully sort things out and effect change?