southern surge

[the galah]

well it looks like the souther surge has turned out to be a successful promotion.

over double the number of horses racing at the meeting this week in southland, than what raced at the same time last year.

What surprises me is that the amount of horses racing ,who have already been racing most of the year.

One thing i've noticed over the years is horses who have previously raced most of the year,then keep racing over winter,well theres a pattern ,which is their form will drop off once it warms up,if they keep racing. Which seems predicatble as racing and training in winter is harder on a horse.

But the southern surge has brought all the southland horses out of the woodwork.

The next question will be,how will that impact the numbers running later in the year. They aren't machines.

 

Also, How come the likes of michael house and mark jones are now recorded as training from invercargill.

They have obviously found a way of getting aroung the only horses south of the waitaki clause.

the clauses said-the horses had to either be based with a trainer domilciled south of the waitaki as at 1 july

or trained by a trainer located south of the waitaki.

So obviously looking at the horses house and jones have entered ,they were not based with a trainer as at 1 july as they were racing in canterbury.

so that means HRNZ have changed it to show that house and jones are now located in invercargil. In other words it appears whereas previously they always said they were located in canterbury,but the horses under the care of a southland trainer,they are now saying house and jones are actually located in invercargill..

Has the souther surge resulted in a change in how HRNZ now record where trainers are located.

Like if i any trainer was to go on holiday in invercargill for a month,and take their horses ,does that mean they can get their training base changed to show invercargill and thus qualify for any area limiting southland series. I guess so..

another strange thing that seems to be occurring at hrnz. One of many.

Edited yesterday at 07:02 AM by the galah

[Nowornever]

Don't get Brodie started on the mile racing for all the pacers races lol

[Nowornever]

32 minutes ago, the galah said:

Also, How come the likes of michael house and mark jones are now recorded as training from invercargill.

Makes a mockery of the system. How can a trainer be in two places at once, it is all smoke and mirrors.

[Rangatira]

29 minutes ago, Nowornever said:

Don't get Brodie started on the mile racing for all the pacers races lol

Will any races be run right handed?

[Brodie]

Great that they have good sized fields.

Why don’t they run the trotters races over the mile as well?

These programmers need their heads read, running these mile races,  as they just are not worth betting into!!!

why would any punter wager on Winton compared to Addington racing?

Edited yesterday at 09:15 AM by Brodie

[TAB For Ever]

Isn't Winton a track that produces fast times .....this looks good on a horses CV and maybe increases sales value !

Re Christchurch trainers getting around the rules that intend all horses to be genuine Southern trained horses isn't this typical of Harness folk in general.....study the 'rules/conditions' then quickly look at loopholes or ways of 'getting in the back door' !

THis comment was made by a recent CEO of HRNZ ,after a breeding bonus was announced !

But as noted earlier in thread this is a promotion that has worked well.

Many will remember the good ole days when South Island  harness closed for all of July and most of June , and Southland for a bit longer .

So dare i say ' well done HRNZ ( and Entain ).

 

[mikeynz]

That horse of Mark Jones hasn't raced in Southland and had a trial only last week at Ashburton, really, makes a mockery.

House don't live in Southland, shouldn't be there either, oh well harness racing is full of manipulators, manipulators of the rating system as well , why makes rules, many don't enforce  them, it's simple southern trainers liveing South of the Waitaki.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by mikeynz

[the galah]

1 hour ago, mikeynz said:

That horse of Mark Jones hasn't raced in Southland and had a trial only last week at Ashburton, really, makes a mockery.

House don't live in Southland, shouldn't be there either, oh well harness racing is full of manipulators, manipulators of the rating system as well , why makes rules, many don't enforce  them, it's simple southern trainers liveing South of the Waitaki.

 

i think the problem was the people who designed the southern surge conditions,apparently the southern people,appeared to want the likes of house and jones to support their meetings regularly,but exclude them from the opportunity to race for the  southern surge stakes.

Like i said at the time they announced thoses condition clauses.

why the double standard from southland. They happily enocurage trainers,who they hardly ever see throughout the year, from outside the district, to come and compete in their high stake racedays and yet they want to exclude trainers who regularly support their low stake racedays throughout the year,when they have a mid stake day.

So really,the trainer locations shown was a symptom of an unfiar cause. So the people who designed the clauses,which hrnz said at the time was the southern people, are the ones who should get the blame,in my opinion.

[mikeynz]

38 minutes ago, the galah said:

i think the problem was the people who designed the southern surge conditions,apparently the southern people,appeared to want the likes of house and jones to support their meetings regularly,but exclude them from the opportunity to race for the  southern surge stakes.

Like i said at the time they announced thoses condition clauses.

why the double standard from southland. They happily enocurage trainers,who they hardly ever see throughout the year, from outside the district, to come and compete in their high stake racedays and yet they want to exclude trainers who regularly support their low stake racedays throughout the year,when they have a mid stake day.

So really,the trainer locations shown was a symptom of an unfiar cause. So the people who designed the clauses,which hrnz said at the time was the southern people, are the ones who should get the blame,in my opinion.

But isn't it just another of the mind boggling make it up as you go idea, I also think that as this series is restricted to one area then penalty for winning should be half and maybe no ratings relief for the tailenders.

But once again pumping up the stakes as harness does, just seem to be awash with cash.

[Westview]

49 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

But isn't it just another of the mind boggling make it up as you go idea, I also think that as this series is restricted to one area then penalty for winning should be half and maybe no ratings relief for the tailenders.

But once again pumping up the stakes as harness does, just seem to be awash with cash.

Not awash with too much cash as programmed dates for next season now being canceled. 

[mikeynz]

10 minutes ago, Westview said:

Not awash with too much cash as programmed dates for next season now being canceled. 

Enlighten me please.

[Westview]

9 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Enlighten me please.

Next year's calendar has atleast 4 Addington meeting now taken away and I think there are 5 or 6 others around the country now not going ahead because of funding .Yes they might have been extras but what message does that send you.

[mikeynz]

1 minute ago, Westview said:

Next year's calendar has atleast 4 Addington meeting now taken away and I think there are 5 or 6 others around the country now not going ahead because of funding .Yes they might have been extras but what message does that send you.

 I do know that some of the dates were subject to funding, in reality they could have a few less, 2 meetings up north at present is not necessary......quality over quantity, the awash with cash quotewas a bit of a tounge in cheek comment, but they seem to spend plenty, but for how long can they keep doing it?

[Brodie]

They may well be flush with Entain cash at the moment but I can guarantee that anyone with any business acumen can clearly see the writing on the wall!

They are clearly blowing the opportunity that the Entain  money provided but there has been so many poor decisions being made unfortunately.

Would any Bank have lent Harness Racing any money with their business plan to keep harness racing going?

Not on your nally, and Entain are only in it to take the profits of the online gambling and Sports betting for a total of 25 years!

[the galah]

5 hours ago, Westview said:

Next year's calendar has atleast 4 Addington meeting now taken away and I think there are 5 or 6 others around the country now not going ahead because of funding .Yes they might have been extras but what message does that send you.

You would assume HRNZwill use the same reasoning behind reducing canterbury meetings,to how they assess the number of north island meetings.I guess this will be another lesson on HRNZ's honesty and fairness, in how they treat different regions. LOL.

Doesn't sound good for the northern district which continue to run meetings with small numbers that generate big losses. maybe lose a couple of dozen northern region if addington has lost 4?

Edited 3 hours ago by the galah

[Brodie]

31 minutes ago, the galah said:

You would assume HRNZwill use the same reasoning behind reducing canterbury meetings,to how they assess the number of north island meetings.I guess this will be another lesson on HRNZ's honesty and fairness, in how they treat different regions. LOL.

Doesn't sound good for the northern district which continue to run meetings with small numbers that generate big losses. maybe lose a couple of dozen northern region if addington has lost 4?

Then again they may give the North more meetings?

5 horse fields racing for 20 or 30 grand with very limited wagering is how we get people back into racing in the North!

The disappointing thing is that several of us that comment on BOAY actually do give a damn about racing and that is why we comment!

Reality is that it totally appears that those that are  actually being paid good salaries to make harness racing prosper, just arent prepared to post here why they are making these poor decisions.