the galah Posted Tuesday at 06:57 AM Posted Tuesday at 06:57 AM (edited) well it looks like the souther surge has turned out to be a successful promotion. over double the number of horses racing at the meeting this week in southland, than what raced at the same time last year. What surprises me is that the amount of horses racing ,who have already been racing most of the year. One thing i've noticed over the years is horses who have previously raced most of the year,then keep racing over winter,well theres a pattern ,which is their form will drop off once it warms up,if they keep racing. Which seems predicatble as racing and training in winter is harder on a horse. But the southern surge has brought all the southland horses out of the woodwork. The next question will be,how will that impact the numbers running later in the year. They aren't machines. Also, How come the likes of michael house and mark jones are now recorded as training from invercargill. They have obviously found a way of getting aroung the only horses south of the waitaki clause. the clauses said-the horses had to either be based with a trainer domilciled south of the waitaki as at 1 july or trained by a trainer located south of the waitaki. So obviously looking at the horses house and jones have entered ,they were not based with a trainer as at 1 july as they were racing in canterbury. so that means HRNZ have changed it to show that house and jones are now located in invercargil. In other words it appears whereas previously they always said they were located in canterbury,but the horses under the care of a southland trainer,they are now saying house and jones are actually located in invercargill.. Has the souther surge resulted in a change in how HRNZ now record where trainers are located. Like if i any trainer was to go on holiday in invercargill for a month,and take their horses ,does that mean they can get their training base changed to show invercargill and thus qualify for any area limiting southland series. I guess so.. another strange thing that seems to be occurring at hrnz. One of many. Edited Tuesday at 07:02 AM by the galah 1 Quote
Nowornever Posted Tuesday at 07:30 AM Posted Tuesday at 07:30 AM Don't get Brodie started on the mile racing for all the pacers races lol 1 Quote
Nowornever Posted Tuesday at 07:31 AM Posted Tuesday at 07:31 AM 32 minutes ago, the galah said: Also, How come the likes of michael house and mark jones are now recorded as training from invercargill. Makes a mockery of the system. How can a trainer be in two places at once, it is all smoke and mirrors. Quote
Rangatira Posted Tuesday at 08:00 AM Posted Tuesday at 08:00 AM 29 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Don't get Brodie started on the mile racing for all the pacers races lol Will any races be run right handed? Quote
Brodie Posted Tuesday at 09:13 AM Posted Tuesday at 09:13 AM (edited) Great that they have good sized fields. Why don’t they run the trotters races over the mile as well? These programmers need their heads read, running these mile races, as they just are not worth betting into!!! why would any punter wager on Winton compared to Addington racing? Edited Tuesday at 09:15 AM by Brodie 1 Quote
TAB For Ever Posted Tuesday at 10:01 AM Posted Tuesday at 10:01 AM Isn't Winton a track that produces fast times .....this looks good on a horses CV and maybe increases sales value ! Re Christchurch trainers getting around the rules that intend all horses to be genuine Southern trained horses isn't this typical of Harness folk in general.....study the 'rules/conditions' then quickly look at loopholes or ways of 'getting in the back door' ! THis comment was made by a recent CEO of HRNZ ,after a breeding bonus was announced ! But as noted earlier in thread this is a promotion that has worked well. Many will remember the good ole days when South Island harness closed for all of July and most of June , and Southland for a bit longer . So dare i say ' well done HRNZ ( and Entain ). Quote
mikeynz Posted Tuesday at 08:28 PM Posted Tuesday at 08:28 PM (edited) That horse of Mark Jones hasn't raced in Southland and had a trial only last week at Ashburton, really, makes a mockery. House don't live in Southland, shouldn't be there either, oh well harness racing is full of manipulators, manipulators of the rating system as well , why makes rules, many don't enforce them, it's simple southern trainers liveing South of the Waitaki. Edited Tuesday at 08:31 PM by mikeynz Quote
the galah Posted Tuesday at 10:28 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 10:28 PM 1 hour ago, mikeynz said: That horse of Mark Jones hasn't raced in Southland and had a trial only last week at Ashburton, really, makes a mockery. House don't live in Southland, shouldn't be there either, oh well harness racing is full of manipulators, manipulators of the rating system as well , why makes rules, many don't enforce them, it's simple southern trainers liveing South of the Waitaki. i think the problem was the people who designed the southern surge conditions,apparently the southern people,appeared to want the likes of house and jones to support their meetings regularly,but exclude them from the opportunity to race for the southern surge stakes. Like i said at the time they announced thoses condition clauses. why the double standard from southland. They happily enocurage trainers,who they hardly ever see throughout the year, from outside the district, to come and compete in their high stake racedays and yet they want to exclude trainers who regularly support their low stake racedays throughout the year,when they have a mid stake day. So really,the trainer locations shown was a symptom of an unfiar cause. So the people who designed the clauses,which hrnz said at the time was the southern people, are the ones who should get the blame,in my opinion. Quote
mikeynz Posted Tuesday at 11:13 PM Posted Tuesday at 11:13 PM 38 minutes ago, the galah said: i think the problem was the people who designed the southern surge conditions,apparently the southern people,appeared to want the likes of house and jones to support their meetings regularly,but exclude them from the opportunity to race for the southern surge stakes. Like i said at the time they announced thoses condition clauses. why the double standard from southland. They happily enocurage trainers,who they hardly ever see throughout the year, from outside the district, to come and compete in their high stake racedays and yet they want to exclude trainers who regularly support their low stake racedays throughout the year,when they have a mid stake day. So really,the trainer locations shown was a symptom of an unfiar cause. So the people who designed the clauses,which hrnz said at the time was the southern people, are the ones who should get the blame,in my opinion. But isn't it just another of the mind boggling make it up as you go idea, I also think that as this series is restricted to one area then penalty for winning should be half and maybe no ratings relief for the tailenders. But once again pumping up the stakes as harness does, just seem to be awash with cash. Quote
Westview Posted yesterday at 12:04 AM Posted yesterday at 12:04 AM 49 minutes ago, mikeynz said: But isn't it just another of the mind boggling make it up as you go idea, I also think that as this series is restricted to one area then penalty for winning should be half and maybe no ratings relief for the tailenders. But once again pumping up the stakes as harness does, just seem to be awash with cash. Not awash with too much cash as programmed dates for next season now being canceled. 1 Quote
mikeynz Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM 10 minutes ago, Westview said: Not awash with too much cash as programmed dates for next season now being canceled. Enlighten me please. Quote
Westview Posted yesterday at 12:27 AM Posted yesterday at 12:27 AM 9 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Enlighten me please. Next year's calendar has atleast 4 Addington meeting now taken away and I think there are 5 or 6 others around the country now not going ahead because of funding .Yes they might have been extras but what message does that send you. Quote
mikeynz Posted yesterday at 12:35 AM Posted yesterday at 12:35 AM 1 minute ago, Westview said: Next year's calendar has atleast 4 Addington meeting now taken away and I think there are 5 or 6 others around the country now not going ahead because of funding .Yes they might have been extras but what message does that send you. I do know that some of the dates were subject to funding, in reality they could have a few less, 2 meetings up north at present is not necessary......quality over quantity, the awash with cash quotewas a bit of a tounge in cheek comment, but they seem to spend plenty, but for how long can they keep doing it? Quote
Brodie Posted yesterday at 03:24 AM Posted yesterday at 03:24 AM They may well be flush with Entain cash at the moment but I can guarantee that anyone with any business acumen can clearly see the writing on the wall! They are clearly blowing the opportunity that the Entain money provided but there has been so many poor decisions being made unfortunately. Would any Bank have lent Harness Racing any money with their business plan to keep harness racing going? Not on your nally, and Entain are only in it to take the profits of the online gambling and Sports betting for a total of 25 years! 1 Quote
the galah Posted yesterday at 06:18 AM Author Posted yesterday at 06:18 AM (edited) 5 hours ago, Westview said: Next year's calendar has atleast 4 Addington meeting now taken away and I think there are 5 or 6 others around the country now not going ahead because of funding .Yes they might have been extras but what message does that send you. You would assume HRNZwill use the same reasoning behind reducing canterbury meetings,to how they assess the number of north island meetings.I guess this will be another lesson on HRNZ's honesty and fairness, in how they treat different regions. LOL. Doesn't sound good for the northern district which continue to run meetings with small numbers that generate big losses. maybe lose a couple of dozen northern region if addington has lost 4? Edited yesterday at 06:21 AM by the galah Quote
Brodie Posted yesterday at 06:56 AM Posted yesterday at 06:56 AM 31 minutes ago, the galah said: You would assume HRNZwill use the same reasoning behind reducing canterbury meetings,to how they assess the number of north island meetings.I guess this will be another lesson on HRNZ's honesty and fairness, in how they treat different regions. LOL. Doesn't sound good for the northern district which continue to run meetings with small numbers that generate big losses. maybe lose a couple of dozen northern region if addington has lost 4? Then again they may give the North more meetings? 5 horse fields racing for 20 or 30 grand with very limited wagering is how we get people back into racing in the North! The disappointing thing is that several of us that comment on BOAY actually do give a damn about racing and that is why we comment! Reality is that it totally appears that those that are actually being paid good salaries to make harness racing prosper, just arent prepared to post here why they are making these poor decisions. 1 Quote
Spatchcock Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago On 30/07/2025 at 8:28 AM, mikeynz said: That horse of Mark Jones hasn't raced in Southland and had a trial only last week at Ashburton, really, makes a mockery. House don't live in Southland, shouldn't be there either, oh well harness racing is full of manipulators, manipulators of the rating system as well , why makes rules, many don't enforce them, it's simple southern trainers liveing South of the Waitaki. House has horses based in Southland regularly for long periods over recent years and has a registered satellite stable down there. most of those horses on Sunday have been based there since early June. Quote
Spatchcock Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 23 hours ago, mikeynz said: Enlighten me please. Nine 'new' meetings cancelled due to funding shortfalls. 4 x Addington, 4 x Cambridge, 1 x Manawatu. Quote
Nowornever Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 31 minutes ago, Spatchcock said: Nine 'new' meetings cancelled due to funding shortfalls. I presume if Canterbury grass tracks were not propping up Auckland then the Canterbury meetings would not have to be cancelled. Sounds about right. 1 Quote
mikeynz Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 1 hour ago, Spatchcock said: Nine 'new' meetings cancelled due to funding shortfalls. 4 x Addington, 4 x Cambridge, 1 x Manawatu. Manawatu still have 17 days judging by the calandar, I looked yesterday. 3 single days which might be a stretch, only 3 days before xmas, do you know which ones are gone from other 2 ? Quote
mikeynz Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 1 hour ago, Spatchcock said: House has horses based in Southland regularly for long periods over recent years and has a registered satellite stable down there. most of those horses on Sunday have been based there since early June. Jones horse raced at the Ashburton trials just last week Quote
the galah Posted 19 hours ago Author Posted 19 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Spatchcock said: House has horses based in Southland regularly for long periods over recent years and has a registered satellite stable down there. most of those horses on Sunday have been based there since early June. So your saying jones and house had blazing knuckles and super fund at their invercargill satelite stables,trained them in invercargill, then transported them back to canterbury to race and trial in july, without racing in southland. Gee they would be racking up the transport costs wouldn't they. So thats what you believe i guess. . And your saying the likes of house has always had the horses he had based in invercargill,shown under m house,invercargill. Why then has he previously advised they are with the likes of t dewe,when they were all along at his invercargill base,like you say. Edited 19 hours ago by the galah Quote
the galah Posted 19 hours ago Author Posted 19 hours ago 2 hours ago, Spatchcock said: Nine 'new' meetings cancelled due to funding shortfalls. 4 x Addington, 4 x Cambridge, 1 x Manawatu. As long as they have plenty of funds to run those 5 horse 2 year old races,with all the bonuses,i'm a happy man. I guess it will be the tuesday type meetings at addington that have gone? If thats the case i suppose it would indicate what we already know about hrnz's priorities. Just a guess,but those who competed at those meetings will see that,realise they were right all along in thinking they are not a priority for hrnz. whats new i suppose. Quote
Spatchcock Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, the galah said: So your saying jones and house had blazing knuckles and super fund at their invercargill satelite stables,trained them in invercargill, then transported them back to canterbury to race and trial in july, without racing in southland. Gee they would be racking up the transport costs wouldn't they. So thats what you believe i guess. . And your saying the likes of house has always had the horses he had based in invercargill,shown under m house,invercargill. Why then has he previously advised they are with the likes of t dewe,when they were all along at his invercargill base,like you say. I am saying Michael House has a legitimate, registered base in Southland. Just like Robert and Jenna Dunn do in Auckland. Quote
the galah Posted 15 hours ago Author Posted 15 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Spatchcock said: I am saying Michael House has a legitimate, registered base in Southland. Just like Robert and Jenna Dunn do in Auckland. i realise that. But the point being made was house and jones horses did not meet the criteira for the series of being based with a southland trainer since 1 july. that house has previously shown horses he has sent to southland as being located at t dewes training establishment,which is not what is occuring now that the southern surge has come around. so it appears that both house and jones have changed the way its recorded ,to meet the criteria to be eligible for the southern surge. also you seem to be saying mark jones also has lways had a registered training base in invercargill.Did mark jones know that? So why aren't the likes of the telfers shown as traing from winton when they go south. After all,they have a lot more horses race in southland than mark jones does. so are we to see house having registered training establishments at palmerston north? I am saying,all this came about because the southern people,according to what it had on a hrnz story,unfairly excluded trainers who regularly supported their meetings in the first place. Edited 15 hours ago by the galah Quote
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