southern surge

[Brodie]

6 hours ago, Spatchcock said:

Nine 'new' meetings cancelled due to funding shortfalls.
4 x Addington, 4 x Cambridge, 1 x Manawatu.

Not sure why there are shortfalls?

Weren’t we told recently on Trackside that everything was going well with harness racing?

Puzzling indeed?

 

 

[Brodie]

Still a bit puzzled?

When was it discovered that there is now a funding shortage, just recently?

If there is now some sort of funding shortage, why has this suddenly come about, there seemed to be so much money about, that they could give all sorts of bonuses and large stakes?

If there has suddenly now been realised that there is a funding shortage, then are we now wondering whether they can actually afford to fund the extra $1,050,000 thats right $1.05 million, above the normal funding for 4 SLOT RACES next season???

With David Branch not being at Cambridge, does anyone know who is the person who is going to be selling the SLOTS for the 2 Cambridge races?

 

[mikeynz]

8 hours ago, Spatchcock said:

Nine 'new' meetings cancelled due to funding shortfalls.
4 x Addington, 4 x Cambridge, 1 x Manawatu.

I don't want to be a pain in the rissole but what were the dates that have been scrubbed.

 

[Spatchcock]

3 hours ago, Brodie said:

Still a bit puzzled?

When was it discovered that there is now a funding shortage, just recently?

If there is now some sort of funding shortage, why has this suddenly come about, there seemed to be so much money about, that they could give all sorts of bonuses and large stakes?

If there has suddenly now been realised that there is a funding shortage, then are we now wondering whether they can actually afford to fund the extra $1,050,000 thats right $1.05 million, above the normal funding for 4 SLOT RACES next season???

With David Branch not being at Cambridge, does anyone know who is the person who is going to be selling the SLOTS for the 2 Cambridge races?

 

Branch is likely going to contract back to the Club to help execute the Night Of Champions. Unsure if that includes slot distribution.

[Spatchcock]

3 hours ago, mikeynz said:

I don't want to be a pain in the rissole but what were the dates that have been scrubbed.

 

Couldn't tell you but will endeavour to find out tomorrow.

[Spatchcock]

5 hours ago, Brodie said:

Not sure why there are shortfalls?

Weren’t we told recently on Trackside that everything was going well with harness racing?

Puzzling indeed?

 

 

These were new dates over and over existing budgets, and were always dependent on certain funding levels being reached. I can only assume hey have not.

 

One would haven to ask, in this situation, why the new Auckland dates weren't removed as those require the most funding for the least return.

[Spatchcock]

5 hours ago, the galah said:

i realise that.

But the point being made was house and jones  horses did not meet the criteira for the series of being based with a southland trainer since 1 july. 

that house has previously shown horses he has sent to southland as being located at t dewes training establishment,which is not what is occuring now that the southern surge has come around.

so it appears that both house and jones have changed the way its recorded ,to meet the criteria to be eligible for the southern surge. 

also you seem to be saying mark jones also has lways had a registered training base in invercargill.Did mark jones know that?

So why aren't the likes of the telfers shown as traing from winton when they go south. After all,they have a lot more horses race in southland than mark jones does.

so are we to see house having registered training establishments at palmerston north?

I am saying,all this came about because the southern people,according to what it had on a hrnz story,unfairly excluded trainers who regularly supported their meetings in the first place. 

All I can offer is this - the mkves are within the rules of the series and HRNZ regulations.

 

None of them are world beaters and at least some have been in the Southland horse pool recently (but I accept a could like Blazing Knuckles have not).

Edited Thursday at 12:12 PM by Spatchcock

[Spatchcock]

19 hours ago, mikeynz said:

I don't want to be a pain in the rissole but what were the dates that have been scrubbed.

 

Dates are now listed in a story on HRNZ. Turns out the ninth meeting was Oamaru, not Palnerston North.

[mikeynz]

9 minutes ago, Spatchcock said:

Dates are now listed in a story on HRNZ. Turns out the ninth meeting was Oamaru, not Palnerston North.

 

Was just reading with only one meet in the North through June weekly and 2 fortnightly, some common sense there, 12 races on Friday nights at Auckland, why not one Friday night meeting, and Nelson get their 2 days in June back, maybe  tieing in with Blenhiem, just a thought....Oamaru took over Forburys date in january and have another before Xmas, the real problem club is Kapiti, last January they were on a hiding to nothing racing same day as Blenhiem, I thought it was stupid , turned out it was.

Southland stay the same, don't need anymore. Canterbury have plenty but whether they subsidise northern racing, that's up for debate.

 

Edited Friday at 03:37 AM by mikeynz

[mikeynz]

Judging by the tote pools for first 2 races the Southern Surge hasn't happened to betting, maybe things will pick up, maybe not.

At least bumping stakes up they may all be trying instead of manipulating the ratings system.

[mikeynz]

2 races in the southern surge won by horses with trainers based in Christchurch, brilliant.

They just keep making it up as it goes.

Edited 16 hours ago by mikeynz

[Spatchcock]

4 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Judging by the tote pools for first 2 races the Southern Surge hasn't happened to betting, maybe things will pick up, maybe not.

At least bumping stakes up they may all be trying instead of manipulating the ratings system.

Bro it's not 1990, you best ignore tote pools.

 

 

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, Spatchcock said:

Bro it's not 1990, you best ignore tote pools.

 

 

They still are a indicator, what about trifectas, first 4 , still tote, if Riccarton do 47 or so on the Winter Cup and Winton do 2500, tells a story don't you think?

Some of the later races may have picked up.

Edited 12 hours ago by mikeynz

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Spatchcock said:

Bro it's not 1990, you best ignore tote pools.

 

 

actually  mr steele, in an interview about 4 months ago said ,when asked what the % of money bet on the tote and on fixed odds was at that point,said about 60% ff and 40% tote. Maybe he included all the tote pools in that,he didn't say..Not sure how accurate he was,but you would hope its a bit more than that going through the ff as the tote pools are very small.

the pools since the gallops meetings started on sundays haven't been great and the gallops going to a sunday meeting seems to have been a dumb move by them,which hasn't helped them or the trots either.

like the gallops had a $100,000 race with a full field and plenty of form today and their win pool was only $7682 and $3716 place pool.. The non win pace at addington which started just before that had a win pool of $7503 and place of $3787.. Mind you,that one they had a wee delay pre start and as i've pointd out many times,any delay,even of a minute or 2 always boosts tote pools. 

Edited 12 hours ago by the galah

[mikeynz]

Some of those pools picked up, later on,c interestingly only one harness meeting on NZ TAB from aussie, are they all postponed or what ?

[Brodie]

Serious punters dont bet into tote pools, fixed odds if they are still allowed to wager what they want?

The TAB doesnt want all punters, only ones that are wagering every race and the ones that are going to lose mostly!

Flawed business plan as it has a big flow on effect that is damaging the industry.

[mikeynz]

21 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Serious punters dont bet into tote pools, fixed odds if they are still allowed to wager what they want?

The TAB doesnt want all punters, only ones that are wagering every race and the ones that are going to lose mostly!

Flawed business plan as it has a big flow on effect that is damaging the industry.

I suspect serious punters might be on the way out, especially in Sport which was where Entain were expecting growth to come from, no serious punter is going to wager on test Cricket and the likes like they did on Betfair, most punters are fun, most turnover comes from serious ones, simple aye.