Huey Posted August 7 Posted August 7 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Just for @Pitman benefit. Te Akau won $2.2m in stakes in the South Island. Stable that spends millions and millions on stock win SI premiership (well apparently ) , would they still win if trainers swapped teams? and if they did would TA still be your idols? Quote
Newmarket Posted August 7 Posted August 7 22 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Yes that appears to be @Pitman 's business model and the strike rate of 10.7 reflects that. @Pitman has the same opportunities to adapt the same model as Te Akau to the South Island conditions. Don't forget he has won two National Premierships from his South island base. So not impossible. How is it "unfair"? I've yet to see anyone post anything anywhere online that convinces me that it is unfair. Riccarton and South Island racing in general would be all the poorer without Te Akau's significant investment in their Riccarton stables and other support services. I don't understand why everyone is so quick to knock Te Akau for any reason they can find. Riccarton isn't a "satellite stable" whatever that really means. It is a full time operation from which horses raced 305 times last season representing 37% of Te Akau's starts nationwide. Only Pitman and Carston had more. @Newmarket are you becoming NZ Racing's Prince of Darkness? Prince Of Darkness…. that sounds cool. Just to let you know Chief, attended Riccarton first 2 days, not bad really for a guy you state hates the game…. im just telling you how it is, great that you see differently to 90% in the game…. As for TeAkau, im not having a go against the stable, but i think any stable, harness or gallops have an unfair advantage with a satellite stable chasing trainers awards. Can easily stack an area, send down better performed nags to sth island to burgle a few…. 2 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 7 Posted August 7 12 hours ago, Huey said: Stable that spends millions and millions on stock win SI premiership (well apparently ) , would they still win if trainers swapped teams? and if they did would TA still be your idols? Your hypothetical questions are nonsense. Both trainers have the same opportunities to pursue either of the two business models. As do owners. Each to their own. I was just presenting some facts to counter the misperception that Te Akau's strike rate and return in the South Island is poor. When it isn't. Some would have you believe that the horses that are sent there are no better than the horses already there with other trainers. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 7 Posted August 7 11 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Prince Of Darkness…. that sounds cool. Just to let you know Chief, attended Riccarton first 2 days, not bad really for a guy you state hates the game…. im just telling you how it is, great that you see differently to 90% in the game…. Wow something positive from Racings Prince of Darkness. Though if you are true to your word you didn't have a bet with ENTAIN. Bit like going to the pub amd both having a drink. 13 minutes ago, Newmarket said: As for TeAkau, im not having a go against the stable, but i think any stable, harness or gallops have an unfair advantage with a satellite stable chasing trainers awards. Why demean all the workers employed locally at what you call a satellite stable. The so called satellite stable is as big as most of the permanent local trainers. On the one hand you bemoan the fact that there is no competition in the wagering market in NZ yet wish to impose rules the limit the chances of a stable to compete fairly. Even then these rules you infer only serve to assist one stable. At the end of the day Te Akau's investment at Riccarton aids that training centre immensely and improves the quality of South Island racing. Which I note you have been quick to deride in the past. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 7 Posted August 7 I did find some irony @Huey in @Pitman 's response to a question about the 2000 Guineas being a target when his 3yr old colt won. He replied that "Te Akau have proven that your horse doesn't have to leave the South Island to win the Guineas"! Quote
Gammalite Posted August 7 Posted August 7 22 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But they do attend. Really @Gammalite you really need to catch up with the programme. Modern technology and systems allows a Trainer to manage effectively from a remote location. However you still need skilled and licensed individuals on the ground. Be it Assitant Trainers or Foreman. Te Akau has invested heavily in acquiring young talented staff. Why should they be slayed for it? Surely you are not suggesting that Chris Wallers winners in Queensland and Victoria shouldn't count because he lives in NSW? Never said a thing about it . You just didn't seem to know what a satellite stable was so was trying to help out. You want to call them all Main bases . good for you. NO , i'm not suggesting Wallers name can't be used in QLD. Any horse in a trainers name , is receiving training Fees PAID to that trainer , so if it wins , in NSW , NI, SI, Zimbabwe then it's a Win counted for that trainer. I'm fine with that. I did say he trains by computer. so that is modern enough for me. I must say we had a very unusual event when Mick Boots ( Swayzee owner) when he sent his NZ Oaks fav filly Captain's Mistress to try and win the QLD Oaks last month .she ran 3rd. But the horse was put in Grant Dixon name as Trainer , even though Nathan Williamson his NZ trainer was here and racing her in his NZ colours. was weird as f.uck. Am sure Grant didn't need 'another' win for the Premiership or anything.? and he probably had ZERO input on that horses training for it's month stay in QLD. Mark and Nathan Purdon and Jonny Cox too , were here for a month for the carnival as well , and their horse stayed in their names training while staying at QLD trainer properties. as is usually the case with NZ trainers. Not sure at all what the deal with Captains Mistress was. I actually hoped it would get beat because that would of been a fraud GROUP 1 win to Grant , without even earning it. He does work extremely hard 7 days a week with a large team though. 80 is a lot for a harness trainer. they ALL do an extreme amount of Hands on work. Just 4 of us trotting blokes did 20 horses for 6 years straight once. (including finishing at midnight 3 days per week when you got them off the truck back home after a meet) so galloping training and trainers make me laugh in comparison. Training 100's by Computer/Facebook lol 🤣 2 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 7 Posted August 7 26 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Never said a thing about it . You just didn't seem to know what a satellite stable was so was trying to help out. You want to call them all Main bases . good for you. But the industry doesn't formally call them satellite stables do they. The two in NSW are treated as the same stable. The same applies in NZ. Hence the South Island Premiership should be decided on who has the most number of wins in the South Island. 1 Quote
Huey Posted August 8 Posted August 8 23 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Your hypothetical questions are nonsense. Both trainers have the same opportunities to pursue either of the two business models. As do owners. Each to their own. I was just presenting some facts to counter the misperception that Te Akau's strike rate and return in the South Island is poor. When it isn't. Some would have you believe that the horses that are sent there are no better than the horses already there with other trainers. What's really silly though is that you glamourous TA Strike Rate like it's a significant achievement , given their resources its clearly not compared to the likes of Pitman stable. I'll celebrate with you when they win a Melbourne or Sydney Premiership (cause thats the level they are at with the bloodstock they are buying, if you don't believe that then go and read some of PR written on their own site when selling yearling shares) , they are no different than the city trainers in Aus attacking country venues with prime bloodstock at the expense of the local trainers. Fan boys like you get excited when they take million $ 2yos to the races to win in 5 horse fields in NZ and you act like they won the slipper or that it was a level playing field. Youre a brainwashed fan boy Chief and you know it! 1 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 8 Posted August 8 46 minutes ago, Huey said: What's really silly though is that you glamourous TA Strike Rate like it's a significant achievement , given their resources its clearly not compared to the likes of Pitman stable. Yet @Pitman has the resources to race in 120 more South Island races than Te Akau? BTW Te Akau's strike rate is significantly better than Chris Waller who spent more than DCE at the Magic Millions. The latter having the best purchases to Black Type win strike rate. 50 minutes ago, Huey said: I'll celebrate with you when they win a Melbourne or Sydney Premiership (cause thats the level they are at with the bloodstock they are buying, They're not at that level. For example Gai Waterhouse spent AUD$17 million at the Magic Millions sale alone. That's nearly the entire budget of Te Akau. She could only finish 3rd last season on the NSW Premiership. 53 minutes ago, Huey said: Fan boys like you get excited when they take million $ 2yos to the races to win in 5 horse fields in NZ and you act like they won the slipper or that it was a level playing field. Not me. That's your mythical perception. 53 minutes ago, Huey said: Youre a brainwashed fan boy Chief and you know it! Not at all. I just applaud success as opposed to you denigrating it. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 8 Posted August 8 Which camp would you rather be in @Huey ? The one applauding achievement or the one crying a river for the alleged disadvantaged? Quote
curious Posted August 8 Posted August 8 Resources are not an entry criterion for premierships anywhere are they? If a sports team can afford to buy better players than the next one, that doesn't rule them out of the championship. Racing has always been like that and for trainers, the resources to acquire better cattle is part of the game and the premiership contests, as getting on horses with better chances is for jockeys. 2 Quote
Huey Posted August 9 Posted August 9 13 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Which camp would you rather be in @Huey ? The one applauding achievement or the one crying a river for the alleged disadvantaged? I hate camping! 2 Quote
Newmarket Posted August 12 Posted August 12 On 9/08/2025 at 8:32 AM, Huey said: What's really silly though is that you glamourous TA Strike Rate like it's a significant achievement , given their resources its clearly not compared to the likes of Pitman stable. I'll celebrate with you when they win a Melbourne or Sydney Premiership (cause thats the level they are at with the bloodstock they are buying, if you don't believe that then go and read some of PR written on their own site when selling yearling shares) , they are no different than the city trainers in Aus attacking country venues with prime bloodstock at the expense of the local trainers. Fan boys like you get excited when they take million $ 2yos to the races to win in 5 horse fields in NZ and you act like they won the slipper or that it was a level playing field. Youre a brainwashed fan boy Chief and you know it! Too true, they have had a few starters in Aus lately that struggle to finish midfield. Be interesting now that their good ones are no longer racing…. what their strike rate will look like in the next 12 months Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 12 Posted August 12 3 hours ago, Newmarket said: Too true, they have had a few starters in Aus lately that struggle to finish midfield. Be interesting now that their good ones are no longer racing…. what their strike rate will look like in the next 12 months You're a gambling man. I willing to bet $50 that their strike rate will be better this season in NZ than last. Actually we could run a Betfair type exchange. @Huey and yourself put the money up and we'll see if people match it. 1 Quote
Huey Posted August 12 Posted August 12 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: You're a gambling man. I willing to bet $50 that their strike rate will be better this season in NZ than last. Actually we could run a Betfair type exchange. @Huey and yourself put the money up and we'll see if people match it. Of course it will be better they are going to concentrate their significant resources in NZ , most certainly if the Aus thing doesn't work out. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 12 Posted August 12 1 minute ago, Huey said: Of course it will be better they are going to concentrate their significant resources in NZ , most certainly if the Aus thing doesn't work out. Why isn't the "Aus thing" not working? The NZ "thing" is working and the "South Island thing" is working. Quote
Newmarket Posted August 12 Posted August 12 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: You're a gambling man. I willing to bet $50 that their strike rate will be better this season in NZ than last. Actually we could run a Betfair type exchange. @Huey and yourself put the money up and we'll see if people match it. Well…. its not gonna take much to improve strike rate in NZ is it….. Mind you, im talking about aussie, you have always stated they have great strike rate in Aus…. How about we have a $200 bet….You reckon their strike rate in Aus will be better than last season…. and i will say it will be less. 1 Quote
curious Posted August 12 Posted August 12 10 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Well…. its not gonna take much to improve strike rate in NZ is it….. Mind you, im talking about aussie, you have always stated they have great strike rate in Aus…. How about we have a $200 bet….You reckon their strike rate in Aus will be better than last season…. and i will say it will be less. I'd be happy to hold the bet for you. Maybe invest it in Entain shares in the mean time? 1 1 Quote
Huey Posted August 12 Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: No takers. G1 2yo race wins in Aus + or - 2 ? Odds? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 12 Posted August 12 11 hours ago, Newmarket said: Mind you, im talking about aussie, you have always stated they have great strike rate in Aus…. When? 11 hours ago, Newmarket said: How about we have a $200 bet….You reckon their strike rate in Aus will be better than last season…. and i will say it will be less. What was it last season? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 12 Posted August 12 11 hours ago, Huey said: G1 2yo race wins in Aus + or - 2 ? Odds? Not sure what you mean "+ or -2"? Perhaps the resident wagering expert @Newmarket can explain for you. Quote
curious Posted August 12 Posted August 12 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Not sure what you mean "+ or -2"? Perhaps the resident wagering expert @Newmarket can explain for you. I'd say he means a 2 win spread between OZ and NZ for G1 2yo wins, for an even money bet? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 12 Posted August 12 30 minutes ago, curious said: I'd say he means a 2 win spread between OZ and NZ for G1 2yo wins, for an even money bet? I don't know. @Huey tends to write riddles. Quote
Huey Posted August 13 Posted August 13 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Not sure what you mean "+ or -2"? Perhaps the resident wagering expert @Newmarket can explain for you. Simple more or less than 2 2yo G1 wins in Aus? Odds please. Quote
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