curious Posted Monday at 07:39 AM Posted Monday at 07:39 AM 5 minutes ago, hesi said: As the Chief said, she has had plenty of opportunity to correct it Pretty sure she did that in the interview. As I said, only those who listen will hear.
curious Posted Monday at 07:44 AM Posted Monday at 07:44 AM 2 minutes ago, hesi said: The woman is a nutter, devoid of science. She talks about chlorine being a toxin in tap water and the need to install an inline filter to remove it. The people of Havelock North might tend to disagree It's off topic but of course chlorine is toxic. Whatever happened in Havelock North, the people of Rangiora, including the council resisted it to the bitter end. Been good for bottled water and house filtration sales though. And yes, I know you are an industrial chemist.
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 07:51 AM Author Posted Monday at 07:51 AM 4 minutes ago, curious said: Pretty sure she did that in the interview. As I said, only those who listen will hear. Honestly I can't believe you are giving this woman any credence at all. So I guess you are referring to yourself. Just bizarre the people who have yet to break out of the pandemic malaise and recognise all the good things that are happening rather than focussing on negativity. I can only assume that all these old and pale types feel disenfranchised in the twilight of their racing careers.
hesi Posted Monday at 07:54 AM Posted Monday at 07:54 AM 6 minutes ago, curious said: It's off topic but of course chlorine is toxic. Whatever happened in Havelock North, the people of Rangiora, including the council resisted it to the bitter end. Been good for bottled water and house filtration sales though. And yes, I know you are an industrial chemist. Not at the levels in tap water 0.2 -5 ppm but usually 0.5 ppm. Havelock North, campylobacter in the water, major public health issue. At the time chlorination not deemed necessary as water came from an aquifer, which unfortunately became contaminated
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 07:56 AM Author Posted Monday at 07:56 AM 7 minutes ago, curious said: It's off topic but of course chlorine is toxic. Even though when used at the appropriate levels to make water safe to drink it is recommended by the WHO and the CDC? 9 minutes ago, curious said: Been good for bottled water and house filtration sales though. Only to improve the taste AFTER it has done its work. The irony of course is people don't change their filters often enough and risk disease the risk of which is magnified by cowboy installations of filtering equipiment.
hesi Posted Monday at 08:11 AM Posted Monday at 08:11 AM One of the biggest 'green wash' cons ever. Pure water in supposedly recyclable PET plastic bottles. 1
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 08:20 AM Author Posted Monday at 08:20 AM 3 minutes ago, hesi said: One of the biggest 'green wash' cons ever. Pure water in supposedly recyclable PET plastic bottles. What?! Are you saying my new laptop backpack is NOT made out of 20 recycled plastic drink bottles? LOL the other crack up about drink bottles is people don't sterilise them between use. Classic environment for breeding pathogens! Miltons is a good solution of sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) and sodium chloride (NaCl) for sterilisation. You can also use the sodium hypochlorite to clean your deck of mould but don't tell Becks Nairn.
hesi Posted Monday at 08:34 AM Posted Monday at 08:34 AM 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What?! Are you saying my new laptop backpack is NOT made out of 20 recycled plastic drink bottles? LOL the other crack up about drink bottles is people don't sterilise them between use. Classic environment for breeding pathogens! Miltons is a good solution of sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) and sodium chloride (NaCl) for sterilisation. You can also use the sodium hypochlorite to clean your deck of mould but don't tell Becks Nairn. Bit expensive, Janola or Generic label bleach is a lot cheaper. Works well but unfortunately doesn't stop the moss/mould coming back. As I've told Curious, a quat (Wet and Forget) works better and gives residual control. Best way to clean a deck, is to waterblast then spray on the quat, keeps in clean for 6 months. I think you will now that most plastic just goes straight to landfill, even though they say it is recyclable, another green wash
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 08:51 AM Author Posted Monday at 08:51 AM 15 minutes ago, hesi said: I think you will now that most plastic just goes straight to landfill, even though they say it is recyclable, another green wash Well whatever they are doing must be working because Antartic Ice is increasing as is the Great Barrier coral.
hesi Posted Tuesday at 08:50 PM Posted Tuesday at 08:50 PM Latest from Becks Nairn. She has added in the totally inert Argon gas as well as Xenon Becks Nairn 25 August at 09:44 · How racing constituents got muzzled by their own industry In an attempt to white wash the industry the industry brought in new rules called “code of conduct” this was necessary because people were dissatisfied in allot of areas. When my interview with Duncan was released last week my inbox was quickly filled with message of support from people who see these problems but are powerless. Some people doubled down on the whitewash and made posts about sharing the good side of racing…..the reality is this is the only route available to you. You only have to scroll the decisions on the R.I.Us website to find all the problems with racing in New Zealand. The racing integrity unit is doing a great job to cleanup racing and continues to do so. This is the only channel available to racing constituants to report problems and I am getting reports of people being dissuaded to report it by HRNZ because it would negatively impact racing. One man was fined $2750 for making 4 tweets about his dissatisfaction of race proceedings….and that’s how censorship begins. Since that case many people have been threathened with loss of their license and legal action because they all had to sign the contract. You can read about that case below. https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/.../non-raceday.../ This is what I ment when I talked about industry muzzling, I had my own experiences of being muzzled Through the funding the charity was receiving. I was actively silenced by people on my own board who started not including me at HRNZ meetings. The narrative that I was the problem in the charity is correct and I stand by being a difficult woman. The meek shall inherit the world. There is major gaps in testing for drugging in race horses, formalin and argon gas are big problems but that’s another post for another day. So when you see a post that only white wash the issues and isn’t balanced this is why. You can read the codes of conduct online. EVERY equestrian sport happens within its own echo chamber, the normalisation of practises the public finds offensive is a huge problem. This is not just a racing problem. We have to remember that equestrian sports is a minority within society and they hold the majority vote for the future of it all. Media coverage in this country is also compromised….they can swing the pendulum which ever way they are coerced to. Racing is the thin slice of the wedge and it’s dying on its own if you are to look at the breeding numbers. Numbers are dwindling and the game in harness racing has been monopolised for a long time forcing out the hobby trainer. I also believe all this stuff is a slippery slope to us not being allowed to compete horses generally and then not ride. I believe that if you look at the stats in this country of pets being put down in shelters then animal welfare is a human wide issue. You see everything has a flow on effect and extreme causes like PETA get a foot hold. If people continue to be apathetic to the problems you are responsible for the demise. Take this seriously. I’m trying to warn you. The only change that can come now is from outside the industry….. 1 1
MaltedMilkshake Posted Tuesday at 09:00 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:00 PM FWIW Becks appears to be a bit of a 'whistleblower', who'd a thunk it. 1 1
curious Posted Tuesday at 09:05 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:05 PM That's a good post of hers. What did she say about Argon? 1 1
hesi Posted Tuesday at 09:32 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:32 PM 26 minutes ago, curious said: That's a good post of hers. What did she say about Argon? There is major gaps in testing for drugging in race horses, formalin and argon gas are big problems but that’s another post for another day.
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 09:33 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 09:33 PM 31 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said: FWIW Becks appears to be a bit of a 'whistleblower', who'd a thunk it. She's talking crap and I'm surprised that the likes of @curious and @Freda supoort this BS.
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 09:36 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 09:36 PM 1 minute ago, hesi said: There is major gaps in testing for drugging in race horses, formalin and argon gas are big problems but that’s another post for another day. So now she's sidestepped and gone from banging on about the expensive and hard to obtain Xenon to banging on about Argon which is more readily available from your local panel beater. She's clueless as are anyone who thinks she has a point.
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 09:37 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 09:37 PM 30 minutes ago, curious said: That's a good post of hers. What did she say about Argon? It's bullshit @curious unsubstantiated bollocks.
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 09:40 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 09:40 PM 49 minutes ago, hesi said: One man was fined $2750 for making 4 tweets about his dissatisfaction of race proceedings….and that’s how censorship begins. Since that case many people have been threathened with loss of their license and legal action because they all had to sign the contract. You can read about that case below. https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/.../non-raceday.../ Then she throws in proceedings totally unrelated to horse welfare. I imagine even Teaz admits he overstepped the mark by calling the handicappers "corrupt"!!
hesi Posted Tuesday at 09:42 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:42 PM I'm not a 'horse' person, so I don't know if Argon has ever been used on horses and for whatever reason. AI says not.
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 09:48 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 09:48 PM 3 minutes ago, hesi said: I'm not a 'horse' person, so I don't know if Argon has ever been used on horses and for whatever reason. AI says not. If there is no known therapeutic use in humans then how the hell is it going to have a use in horses?! There has been some therapeutic experimentation with wound treatment and stomach ulcers but I doubt that it has any "go fast" properties. Another one of these stables rumours that many stupid people in the industry are prone to give air to fir no other reason than it helps explain their on lack of performance.
Gammalite Posted Tuesday at 09:49 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:49 PM On 8/25/2025 at 11:39 AM, Chief Stipe said: You are being naive @curious and I see @Freda supports you in that respect. This woman like a lot of people you support are at best masquerading as supporters of racing when the reality is they are anti-racing. I put @Thomass in that category. If by a very very small chance this woman was a supporter of racing then she would go out of her way to present data and information that was accurate and/or in context. She doesn't. Which isn't surprising when she has no technical expertise or skill in the areas she chooses to weaponise. Now there are two possible reasons for that - one she is ignorant, uninformed and lacks expertise or she isn't and is deliberately promoting misinformation in an alarmist fashion. Either way both end up being anti-racing. this is an interesting thread Chief. There are people around that have different views to racing than you. Even though you and Hesi hate this ladies crusade , she is saying what she thinks of different situations and you just say "Well that's anti-racing 'all the time and she's ignorant . Horse Racing is very It's an emotional Sport mate. People get excited. People have opinions. you see it every day here. she appears to be looking out for horse welfare ( a good thing ) just as Curious and others are keen for the horses to have less of a beating in the races themselves by the jockeys , by changing the whip rules. They're not being ignorant to horse welfare by doing that. Eventually they changed the Harness Whip laws and USE to a way where it's Barely a problem these days . after years of refinement. It'll happen one day for the gallopers too. (a compromise reached) Re-homing racehorses is a delicate Topic. Many re-home them somewhere, many pet food them, some gavel house them at 'dispersal' sales , (like a lot of the Mares) , and many just run them in a great big paddock . there's no easy answer. Some horses are like pets to the owners, and it's a very EMOTIONAL moment . you have those with horses all through their careers. People love their dogs , and would do anything for them . Greyhounds racing industry are struggling because people love dogs and see it has a cruel sport for some reason. I don't . I worked with dogs for 15 years after working with horses for 15 years and can see they were doing something they loved. Galloping around the track after the stuffed toy. My little Pomeranian races all round my House everyday here chasing his stuffed toys. They love It !!🥰 some people love horses in a similar manner , although they don't quite 'live in the house with you' . some are still pretty special. so the re-homing , and unwanted stock / or race dogs issue is HUGE . there's no easy answer. I went to a famous Greyhound trainer property once , and the stories you could tell ( about training and dog numbers and what they do with them ) is quite mind boggling. Horse Racing. It's the Sport of Kings. It will continue . Like the Grand National in UK. that Has a huge protest every year . the attrition rate is quite high comparative to flat racing, but it's a 'tough' sport. and thousands make a living from it , and millions gamble on it. It will Continue. (The Sport that is) . Don't worry so much about Animal welfare people discrediting it. They're just looking out for the MAIN 'participants' as best they can. small changes to whip rules and re-homing laws and treatments, and the way stock are kept (like the Kaikoura bloke) and many things occur as a result . possibly a good thing at times. 2
hesi Posted Tuesday at 10:12 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:12 PM The woman lacks credibility. A bit like the way Colin Wightman says there are conspiracies in NZ racing (without presenting any evidence) But he thinks the world is one big conspiracy, so you can't take him seriously
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 10:38 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 10:38 PM 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: this is an interesting thread Chief. There are people around that have different views to racing than you. I find a lot of negative types have unsubstantiated views based on rumour, innuendo and inference. Nothing more. They are destructive. For example I had one small trainer tell me a story about the big trainer who gets this secret courier parcel every week inferring that it was something dodgy. I immediately said bollocks and pointed out that I know big trainers regularly get their horses bloods analysed particularly leading up to big races and they supplement feed or deliver intraveneously to correct any anomalies. They also deliver therapeutic drugs that may or may not have witholding periods for specific horses. Part of the delivery process is making sure that the supply chain is tracked in detail. That's part of ensuring that nothing is interfered. Standard GMP processes. Nothing sinster just good management practice. 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: Even though you and Hesi hate this ladies crusade , she is saying what she thinks of different situations and you just say "Well that's anti-racing 'all the time and she's ignorant . I think we should all call out anyone who makes unsubstantiated allegations and do so strongly. The fact is modern testing regimes can find anything you want to look for. This particular woman is untrained and clueless. 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: some people love horses in a similar manner , although they don't quite 'live in the house with you' . some are still pretty special. so the re-homing , and unwanted stock / or race dogs issue is HUGE . It's only a "HUGE" issue because a minority make it so. I have no problem with people looking after their horses from the cradle to the grave. That's their choice. But don't try and make your approach an animal welfare issue and higher cost for me. 1
MaltedMilkshake Posted Tuesday at 10:52 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:52 PM 39 minutes ago, hesi said: The woman lacks credibility. A bit like the way Colin Wightman says there are conspiracies in NZ racing (without presenting any evidence) But he thinks the world is one big conspiracy, so you can't take him seriously Who says? You? or your new 'best' mate, CS.......both it appears. 1
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 11:03 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 11:03 PM 9 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said: Who says? You? or your new 'best' mate, CS.......both it appears. Don't tell me you take @Transparency aka Wightman seriously?
MaltedMilkshake Posted Tuesday at 11:04 PM Posted Tuesday at 11:04 PM 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: She's talking crap and I'm surprised that the likes of @curious and @Freda supoort this BS. You may think 'she's' talking crap, others don't. Animal welfare isn't confined to post racing, the charges being brought in Oz for cruelty are increasing due to improved and more diligent observations, you just need to read RNSW for instance, they may have impressive budgets to assist the investigators and in NZ not so much, the RIB have been a paper tiger for many years, therefore you will get more and more 'anonymous' letters to RIB and emerging whistleblowers which is a good thing. Becks might be ''out there'' and not afraid to step on toes, at least Garner gave her a platform, cos sure as hell the public will eventually learn of racings dirty little secrets even if you and your sycophants deny, deny deny.
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