Here come the Nutters! Becks Nairn. Thanks Winnie.

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

It's bullshit @curious unsubstantiated bollocks.

What is?

[hesi]

1 minute ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Who says? You? or your new 'best' mate, CS.......both it appears.

Hahaha.

I have a science background, so I don't have a lot of time for pretenders.

Never a truer saying, a little bit of knowledge is dangerous

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

You may think 'she's' talking crap, others don't.

Then the others are uninformed or ignorant if they believe the crap she writes.

6 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

the charges being brought in Oz for cruelty are increasing due to improved and more diligent observations,

There will always be rogues and exceptions in any industry let alone livestock industries.  But those examples aren't representative of the entire industy yet the anti-racing mob and I include Nairn in that group represent those exceptions as being the norm for the racing industry.  Just like the attnendent anti-racing news media who sensationalise the smallest indiscretion with headlines like "Horse returns positive Cocaine" and then proceeds to write an article that infers horse drug abuse is rife.

The fact is it isn't rife!  Do any of you stop to think that the RIB can't find anything because there isn't anything to find?  INCA proved that.

11 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

they may have impressive budgets to assist the investigators and in NZ not so much, the RIB have been a paper tiger for many years, therefore you will get more and more 'anonymous' letters to RIB and emerging whistleblowers which is a good thing.

Yeah the $14m that was spent on INCA wasn't enough to produce results!  Yeah na.

12 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Becks might be ''out there'' and not afraid to step on toes, at least Garner gave her a platform, cos sure as hell the public will eventually learn of racings dirty little secrets even if you and your sycophants deny, deny deny.

What "dirty little secrets"? The platform is all yours to reveal.  But I take it you are either anti-racing or an underachiever in racing and will just rely on misinformation or just inneundo, inference and supposition.

BTW I assure you I'm not anyone's sycophant!!!  LOL @hesi will readily attest to that!

[Chief Stipe]

20 minutes ago, curious said:

What is?

Her posts.  She makes wild allegations without any proof.  I realise it suits your anit-racing agenda or levelling the playing field or whatever it is.

[MaltedMilkshake]

29 minutes ago, hesi said:

Hahaha.

I have a science background, so I don't have a lot of time for pretenders.

Never a truer saying, a little bit of knowledge is dangerous

Weird science it appears, no doubt a Masters in that.

[Chief Stipe]

28 minutes ago, hesi said:

Hahaha.

I have a science background, so I don't have a lot of time for pretenders.

Never a truer saying, a little bit of knowledge is dangerous

Likewise I have a science background as well.  That said I believe we do have different opinions on the veracity of the mRNA vaccine testing. 

Nairn doesn't have a clue what she is talking about and the conclusions she draws are ludicrous. 

[MaltedMilkshake]

18 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Then the others are uninformed or ignorant if they believe the crap she writes.

There will always be rogues and exceptions in any industry let alone livestock industries.  But those examples aren't representative of the entire industy yet the anti-racing mob and I include Nairn in that group represent those exceptions as being the norm for the racing industry.  Just like the attnendent anti-racing news media who sensationalise the smallest indiscretion with headlines like "Horse returns positive Cocaine" and then proceeds to write an article that infers horse drug abuse is rife.

The fact is it isn't rife!  Do any of you stop to think that the RIB can't find anything because there isn't anything to find?  INCA proved that.

Yeah the $14m that was spent on INCA wasn't enough to produce results!  Yeah na.

What "dirty little secrets"? The platform is all yours to reveal.  But I take it you are either anti-racing or an underachiever in racing and will just rely on misinformation or just inneundo, inference and supposition.

BTW I assure you I'm not anyone's sycophant!!!  LOL @hesi will readily attest to that!

Look, you got the boot off the other site, they were on to you, shit stirring is an art form, you've perfected it, if only you'd get out more, INCA was/is a microcosm of a sick industry and it's Police, on that we agree, and there are same lying bastards within the policing of racing, in NZ and across the ditch, Beck's it appears has hit a nerve, good on her for that.

[curious]

1 hour ago, hesi said:

The woman lacks credibility.

A bit like the way Colin Wightman says there are conspiracies in NZ racing (without presenting any evidence)

But he thinks the world is one big conspiracy, so you can't take him seriously

Seems to me you are the one promoting some kind of conspiracy theory in this thread though I'm not quite clear exactly what it is. 

Anyway, I'm off to the races to watch a few horses get beaten up and hoping I don't have to beat a naughty one myself.

[hesi]

11 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Weird science it appears, no doubt a Masters in that.

Science is science, the same science that has in the last 100 years seen the average lifespan of a human go from 40 to 80 years

It has been thoroughly tested over hundreds of years, because anyone who wants to be taken seriously in science has to put their work up for critiquing by other scientists.

This is not the case with Becks Nairn, she promotes her brand of science through social media and therefore should be looked on with disdain

[Chief Stipe]

8 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

shit stirring is an art form, you've perfected it, if only you'd get out more,

I assure you I do get out a lot!  As for shit stirring - who's the real shit stirrer?  Becks Nairn and her weird science podcasts and facebook postings of unsubstantiated twaddle.  Which it seems you believe.  

Or the "shit stirrers" that are bagging hard working Jockeys by taking out of context screen shots of their whip action.  I'm surprised @curious or @Thomass can find someone to ride their horses.  Actually @Thomass is more an armchair critic than an active participant.

11 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

INCA was/is a microcosm of a sick industry and it's Police,

The industry isn't sick and on that we agree.  It is no less healthy than society as a whole.  In that respect it reflects society.  Strangely the industry holds licensees to a higher degree of scrutiny and punishment than the rest of society presumably because of the mistaken construct of requiring a social license.

The fact is INCA found SFA.  Not because they were necessarily incompentent nor didn't have enough funding or the right tools but because there was nothing to find.

15 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Beck's it appears has hit a nerve, good on her for that.

So the ends justifies whatever means in your case.  I gather you are another Anti-racing person who I'm sure will be welcomed on those sites that are Premier Anti-Racing Sites.

[Chief Stipe]

14 minutes ago, curious said:

Anyway, I'm off to the races to watch a few horses get beaten up and hoping I don't have to beat a naughty one myself.

I'm sure you will be welcome with open arms in the Jockeys room.

[Gammalite]

50 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

The industry isn't sick and on that we agree.  It is no less healthy than society as a whole.  In that respect it reflects society.  Strangely the industry holds licensees to a higher degree of scrutiny and punishment than the rest of society presumably because of the mistaken construct of requiring a social license.

Barely Chief. 

The law courts are full and booked ahead for years.

The roads are full of Dickheads with scrutiny and punishment dished out at incredible levels as a result. The QLD government alone picks up very close $500,000,000 in traffic fines per year. that's a LOT of shit drivers. won't see that at the NZ trots ? 🤣😂🤩  The rest of Society Infringe rules as much as they can , and it often ENDANGERS LIves. road drags and recklessness, drugged and/or drunk and all sorts of stuff go on Chief. all over the place.  There is NO respect being displayed by these offenders. to you, me or anyone. or themselves.   

The People involved in racing , or with horses , will push limits, regulations, rules as far they can too the edge. All of them do it. They have to get the best result they possibly can , or won't get supported.

I'm watching La Vuelta (Spanish cycling Grand Tour) on TV right at this moment. a sport with a long and chequered industry in doping and that. They are incredible athletes . and it's for a reason lol .  (Big Bucks) 

The racing Juggernaut is amazing . Some folk get so BIG they can beat DQ's and that sort of thing from positives. Just like the Law courts , you can hold off penalty or reduce it sometimes , with good legal representation that will find the 'Fault In the Case'. whether right or wrong. they even tried to get the mushroom killer off , who was /is one of the most cold blooded/hearted calculating murderers of  all time. Thankfully the Jury saw the light. 

Anyway , the Rules in Play are created by Regulators in society  reform, fair play, drug limits, Safety in races (or roads) or competition like horse racing and motor racing. (even this bloody incredible grand tour cyclin lol ) A lot of folk hate rules and regulations . so go to Bali to play up a bit 🤣

You say the INDUSTRY isn't Sick? . yet week after week there are so many issues still ? They only get dealt with if people are Allowed to voice their opinion,  and point out the Faults , and make changes or reforms , rules to accommodate those Highlighted Important things .The Greyhounds couldn't deal with it properly so they are in strife. Just needed some adjustments like they did in Aus. NSW greys were stopped one time by the government , but re-established when 36 reform recommendations were implemented.  

BTW : I don't care if fridge gas or Embalming fluid and such things are science or not. Shouldn't be Allowed anywhere near horses. Crazy stuff doing things like that. Hope they keep the Meth away from them and Walter White lol😎

wonder if these cyclists are on it ? they're going at 60 kph for  hours on end. 😉   

[MaltedMilkshake]

1 hour ago, hesi said:

Science is science, the same science that has in the last 100 years seen the average lifespan of a human go from 40 to 80 years

It has been thoroughly tested over hundreds of years, because anyone who wants to be taken seriously in science has to put their work up for critiquing by other scientists.

This is not the case with Becks Nairn, she promotes her brand of science through social media and therefore should be looked on with disdain

Rubbish, the lady is entitled to her opinion, as are we to read it.

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

BTW : I don't care if fridge gas or Embalming fluid and such things are science or not. Shouldn't be Allowed anywhere near horses. Crazy stuff doing things like that. Hope they keep the Meth away from them and Walter White lol

So you wouldn't use Formalin (embalming fluid) as an solution to harden your horses hooves and reduce infection?  For example Keratex?

Argon and Xenon are not everyday fridge gases.  It's a nonsense and false that trainers are using either of those inert gases as go fast treatments.  If they had any effect it would be to make horses go slower.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Rubbish, the lady is entitled to her opinion, as are we to read it.

Entitled to an opinion which we can scientifically rubbish.  You can do that on BOAY but not elsewhere.

Still waiting for you to publish all "the dirty little secrets".

[MaltedMilkshake]

Either you're naive or a fool, a secrets only a secret cos it's a secret. A bit like you can't tell a moron he's a moron, cos he's a moron........if you've been in racing as long as you say you've been you'd know what happens in some stables at say 4am, or out on the track in the dark,......or do you believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden.....is ''Blackhorse newsletter'' foibles or BS, when I say get out more, across the pond in Ozstralia there is a great read to be had daily on @letsgohorseracing where they thrive on outing many dirty little secrets, here in NZ BDL was the last of the journo's prepared to ''out' those that needed outing, mainly the useless cretans at NZTAB......when they traded while tech insolvent.

The general public knows  SFA about that story, why? it should have been in all mainstream media, but it wasn't, ENTAIN have saved more than a few sorry arses, for now anyways, racing has always harboured colourful characters, it always will, but it shouldn't harbour cruel bastards, the Catholic Church it can't be, it should be open and transparent, Becks is saying what many are thinking, if it gets up your nose so be it, you go girl, and take no prisoners.

[curious]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'm sure you will be welcome with open arms in the Jockeys room.

I think you'll find that most agree that it needs to be sorted, even some that aren't very compliant.

[curious]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Or the "shit stirrers" that are bagging hard working Jockeys by taking out of context screen shots of their whip action.  

And how exactly are they "out of context" when they are at the finishing stages of a race?

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Either you're naive or a fool, a secrets only a secret cos it's a secret. A bit like you can't tell a moron he's a moron, cos he's a moron........if you've been in racing as long as you say you've been you'd know what happens in some stables at say 4am, or out on the track in the dark,......or do you believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden.....is ''Blackhorse newsletter'' foibles or BS, when I say get out more, across the pond in Ozstralia there is a great read to be had daily on @letsgohorseracing where they thrive on outing many dirty little secrets, here in NZ BDL was the last of the journo's prepared to ''out' those that needed outing, mainly the useless cretans at NZTAB......when they traded while tech insolvent.

The general public knows  SFA about that story, why? it should have been in all mainstream media, but it wasn't, ENTAIN have saved more than a few sorry arses, for now anyways, racing has always harboured colourful characters, it always will, but it shouldn't harbour cruel bastards, the Catholic Church it can't be, it should be open and transparent, Becks is saying what many are thinking, if it gets up your nose so be it, you go girl, and take no prisoners.

You've been talking to your mate Nomates too much.  Another Anti-racing dissident.  You're spouting as much crap as Nairn.

As for the TAB trading insolvent that was debated at length here well before De Lore got off his arse.  Even then he screws the facts up more often than not.

The cruel bastards are few and far between and not the norm.  But don't let the facts hit your prejudices in the face.  

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Either you're naive or a fool, a secrets only a secret cos it's a secret. A bit like you can't tell a moron he's a moron, cos he's a moron

Your typical modus operandi when challenged to back up your claims your resort to childish insults, innuendo, inference and supposition.  Never facts just the good old pub talk wink wink nudge nudge say no more.

[Gammalite]

2 hours ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

The general public knows  SFA about that story, why? it should have been in all mainstream media, but it wasn't, ENTAIN have saved more than a few sorry arses, for now anyways, racing has always harboured colourful characters, it always will, but it shouldn't harbour cruel bastards,

well they should take action Milky One . . The Kaikoura Bloke made the news with the Mal-nourished horses , and South Island Trainers Jones and Alford in the harness world for injecting ( and killing ) one horse with substances to get it to 'Go' in a race on a race day not that long ago . so they're out for long periods DQ. for separate offences. Exposed , humiliated , and lesson learnt to All observers/participants.  Don't do this sort of thing. 

In the galloping world here in Oz , a high profile Melbourne Cup trainer with Jigger-gate . made world wide news. and TOLD the racing world these things won't be tolerated. got 4 years DQ for animal cruelty.

Australia's leading harness Trainer was Ben Yole . from Tasmania . most wins from stacking low class races. Last year ABC TV investigated complaints,  and now he has a 3 year DQ for Animal cruelty( along with his brother Tim.)  They nearly had Tasmanian racing shut down from being 'Cruel Bastards',  and it was appalling what they did. I won't put it here or you'll throw up on your shoes and just make a mess. .

Anyway the RSPCA investigated too ( several times at their property ) and were happy the horses were cared for enough by the young staff and so they continue to race.  Without the 'Fixed' racing element anymore as well. They race in their old mans name as trainer now.  and limited to 4 runners per race.  Result is the Tasmanian racing has now improved no end too. A much better quality. 

So exposing and removing the Cruel ones/bastards  is super Important.  Don't Let ENTAIN hide them mate . 

[Chief Stipe]

46 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

So exposing and removing the Cruel ones/bastards  is super Important.  Don't Let ENTAIN hide them mate . 

How would ENTAIN ever be in a position to "hide them"?

There are scumbags in any industry and racing has caught a few BUT it isn't indicative of a widespread problem.

I wouldn't put Weir and Alford in the same league either. 

[MaltedMilkshake]

47 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

well they should take action Milky One . . The Kaikoura Bloke made the news with the Mal-nourished horses , and South Island Trainers Jones and Alford in the harness world for injecting ( and killing ) one horse with substances to get it to 'Go' in a race on a race day not that long ago . so they're out for long periods DQ. for separate offences. Exposed , humiliated , and lesson learnt to All observers/participants.  Don't do this sort of thing. 

In the galloping world here in Oz , a high profile Melbourne Cup trainer with Jigger-gate . made world wide news. and TOLD the racing world these things won't be tolerated. got 4 years DQ for animal cruelty.

Australia's leading harness Trainer was Ben Yole . from Tasmania . most wins from stacking low class races. Last year ABC TV investigated complaints,  and now he has a 3 year DQ for Animal cruelty( along with his brother Tim.)  They nearly had Tasmanian racing shut down from being 'Cruel Bastards',  and it was appalling what they did. I won't put it here or you'll throw up on your shoes and just make a mess. .

Anyway the RSPCA investigated too ( several times at their property ) and were happy the horses were cared for enough by the young staff and so they continue to race.  Without the 'Fixed' racing element anymore as well. They race in their old mans name as trainer now.  and limited to 4 runners per race.  Result is the Tasmanian racing has now improved no end too. A much better quality. 

So exposing and removing the Cruel ones/bastards  is super Important.  Don't Let ENTAIN hide them mate . 

Good one Gamma, CS loves the sound of his own voice, the more low pricks outed for cruelty the better both codes will be, and that should be the end game.

[MaltedMilkshake]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Your typical modus operandi when challenged to back up your claims your resort to childish insults, innuendo, inference and supposition.  Never facts just the good old pub talk wink wink nudge nudge say no more.

Oh grow up and grow a pair, I'm not as courteous and patient as Curious or Gamma, if you can't concede there are cheats and cruel bastards in racing you're off with the pixies, Yule/Weir are only the tip of the iceberg across in AUS, as for NZ, well, the industry is only as good as the people that police it, and that in itself is a fucking joke.....you think?

[the galah]

i don't follow this lady on facebook,i don't do facebook,but hesi seemed to be saying,hey have a look at what she says on there.

so i did.

and the first thing that came up was where she had done an autopsy on arcano after he died.

People who follow harness racing of course know arcano well.

he was a horse that a lengthy thread on the harness side of this forum was started.

Arcano was an older horse,grey in colour.

he had turned a run of poor performances around with a  win at addington one night for his new trainer. That was what prompted the thread on the harness part.Arcarno then went and fibrillated next start and retired the following start..

anyway,90% of the poeple posting said it was obvious the horse was running on a performance enhancers. Anyone with any idea of analysing form could tell that.

Of course we got the likes of the chief saying,what a load of bullocks,hes never returned a positive and people who linked his performance to the fridge gas thing were just fools and scaremongers.

Arcano of course was trained by M kerr, and driven by m anderson. Both those trainers had several threads about their horses performances ,questioning their honesty and their use of perfromance enhancers. Of course chief always defended them each time saying they had no positives and it was just people who were jealous or shit stirrers,bla,blah. 

 Actaully what ever happened to m kerr and m anderson,.trust worthy blokes that they were.

Perhaps they are mentoring someone in between trips to their probation officers.

of course the chief was their main defender,after all no positives and he hates people slinging mud at pillars of the indutsry.I see your saying that in this topic again chief. i always give you points for consistency chief.

anyways,back to arcano. i see arcano shows as being a deregistered 15 year old on the hrnz website so one could get the impression heshappily  grazing somewhere in a paddock.

which is interesting,as on this nairn ladys website is pictures of his dissected body and a summary of what she found. To be honest,i stopped the goggling of her there,as its all very sad what i read she found.

but hey,therein itself is the actual crux of this woman nairns point.

and its something i have said so often,but i think never gets the traction it should.

if your only going to treat the horses you care for the same as the cows,the bobby calves,the sheep ,the lambs. In other words see them as a commodity based on their abilty to win $,then why,when your training the horse, would you care  much for the horses welfare after it finishes racing.

anyways,its an interesting topic and you can tell by peoples words  how they view their horses.

Edited 7 hours ago by the galah