The Definitive Answer To Becks Nairn and Other Conspiracists

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

anyway,you said steven b hasn't made any personal comments.  

but since he made the following comments,can he or you advise us exactly what type of plastic surgery she had while in thailand and what is the confirmation of her breeding stock(of horses i suppose). after all,some of us who watch the soaps like to find out how the story ends.

Go read her Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/p/Becks-Nairn-100063486552387/ - the NEW one and dissect her claims.  Pun intended.  Even she admits she is trained in nothing other than Taxidermy!  

Check out the cosmetic surgery if you want to: https://www.facebook.com/PhuketPlasticSurgeryInstitute/posts/thank-you-so-much-becks-nairn-for-your-lovely-words-and-for-trusting-phuket-plas/1323222162651787/ I wouldn't be surprised if the friend she refers to is also involved with the same horse charity.

This is her dissecting a horse.  Costs $495 to watch her do it.  

1 hour ago, the galah said:

look i already know how you think and that you wouldn't view steven b's comments as personal.

That's because they are not personal.  

1 hour ago, the galah said:

I get that. i'm not saying hes not arguing his case well,i'm just saying in my opinion,many would view  some of his comments about the lady concerned as being personal and i actually think the verocity of how hes critiqued this becks woman does indicate he ,to some degree fears the message that she carries.

The conspiracy hole again.  Anyone interested in racing SHOULD fear her message because it is fraudalent and fake.  Garner should have torn her apart if he was still any sort of journalist. 

1 hour ago, the galah said:

like his posts not only tell us a bit about the nairn lady,but also a bit about himself. that of course applies to everyone who posts on here ,but seldom do you see the verocity of such personal comments about her " being a master in emotional manipulation". "visibly enjoying exposure"." taking advantage of the horse(arcarno) and charity ,visibly exploiting them." 

Research her social media and if you do so with an open mind you will agree with @Steven B 's assessment.  She IS a "master in emotional manipulation", "enjoys the attention" and arguably she has taken "advantage of the horses she has dissected and the charity she was once part of.  The irony of course which you may fail to see is that she is exploiting horses in retirement and death!

If you are honest you will find her dissection videos and commentary macabre!

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

 

Check out the cosmetic surgery if you want to: https://www.facebook.com/PhuketPlasticSurgeryInstitute/posts/thank-you-so-much-becks-nairn-for-your-lovely-words-and-for-trusting-phuket-plas/1323222162651787/ I wouldn't be surprised if the friend she refers to is also involved with the same horse charity.

 

thanks for the update.Glad to hear the op on her eyelids went well.. Thailand  very reasonably priced by the sounds of it, for that type of thing. So shes thinking about getting a tummy tuck in the future? i hope that goes well for her..

Edited 23 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Steven B said:

Mate ,

You’re right about one thing—everyone’s posts reveal something about themselves. Mine reflect a demand for evidence, transparency, and accountability. If that makes you uncomfortable, maybe ask why.

 

thats a chief type of reply. Where someone says i have i said something,in this case your comments makes me uncomfortable,when i have never said that.  so comment away as much as you like .

My analysis of your comments is you come across as intolerant of what shes doing and saying.Like you think shes got just enough knowledge to irritate you. 

3 hours ago, Steven B said:

I asked for proof that Arcano was fridge-gassed. What I got was silence—no confirmed pathology, no autopsy results, nothing. That fits a pattern with Becks Nairn: big claims, no hard evidence.

She reckons she sent a report to the CEO of Standardbred Racing NZ, says it’s time-stamped and all that—but where is it? More fabrication. She made a serious allegation, yet there are photos of her riding Arcano, schooling him up for the owner, Kirsty from Marlborough. Then she turns around and says the horse was fridge-gassed and had respiratory problems. So why was she training him? Why did she let him through the charity system?

Things aren’t stacking up. I don’t know Becks from a bar of soap. My interest is in the fridge-gassing allegation. There are thinking people  in this forum who  deal in facts, not fiction. You are one of her many minions she sends to defend her because she hasn’t got the guts to front. Like she said on Duncan Garner: “Let them bring the fight to me.” Big words. No action.

Becks Nairn has got a big, charismatic flapper mouth that’s going to land her in big trouble.

you asked for proof that arcano was fridge gased by m kerr.. I know that seems to be a constant in many of your posts.

but heres the thing as i posted a while back on this topic..

M kerr was rumoured to be doing that,the horse made what many thought was a remarkable turnaround in form within just weeks of m kerr getting it to win easily at addington,then the said horse dropped out next start and then was retired after the next start. Hrnz at the time,had said they were taking allegations of the fridge gas seriously due to the intel they had,had also issued media releases to that effect. M kerr was known at the time to be under immense pressure through his unusual behavior at some race meetings and it was subsequently revealed he had lost millions in gambling and defrauded many people through many different means.

then,to add to that, we get this nairtn lady saying she was involved in the rehoming process and after arcano was rehomed ,apparently the horse exhibited issues related to damaged  lungs. Then nairn ,to apparently prove a point ,dissected the horse and displayed on her facebook page what she said were the lungs of arcano,pointing to what she said were damaged lungs and gave what she thought was the reason.i.e. treated with fridge gasing by the trainer rumoured to be fridge gasing..

now you can talk as much as you like about the things not stacking up,the lack of definitive proof. And your right,there isn't any definitive proof.

nairn's conclusions are based on circumstantial evidence so need to be viewed accordingly.

but despite all you have said steven b,i bet you my bottom $,that if you asked  people who had knowledge ot the trainer and the horse,they would say they believed nairn.

and thats how life works,rightly or wrongly,people make assuptions and draw conclusions and just have to follow their own instincts and knowldge to form their opinions.

And in this case,what nairn has said seems  entirely plausible to me as well..

3 hours ago, Steven B said:

And here’s the kicker—the horse should’ve remained at the charity. But Nairn takes the horse out of the charity and trains him for the owner. The smell of money again—a chance to make a quick buck. The owner paid Becks for training the horse  Then she dissected the same horse and made public claims about its condition, still without producing a shred of evidence. Then she makes money out of an amateur dissection of Arcano. Nairn's big flapper mouth says Arcano is famous because he was fridge-gassed. A diagnosis that’s laughable. That’s double-dipping.

 

i had thought the places like what was once saddle and stirrups, took horses with the intention of rehoming them.

you appear to be saying they don't and say nairn should have retained arcano,not rehomed him.

i think you know thats not how those rehoming places work.

Edited 22 hours ago by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, the galah said:

thats a chief type of reply. Where someone says i have i said something,in this case your comments makes me uncomfortable,when i have never said that.  so comment away as much as you like .

My analysis of your comments is you come across as intolerant of what shes doing and saying.Like you think shes got just enough knowledge to irritate you. 

FFS @the galah her "knowledge" is BS.  If you are not anti-racing then she should "irritate" the hell out of you.  

[Chief Stipe]

21 minutes ago, the galah said:

M kerr was rumoured to be doing that,the horse made what many thought was a remarkable turnaround in form within just weeks of m kerr getting it to win easily at addington,then the said horse dropped out next start and then was retired after the next start. Hrnz at the time,had said they were taking allegations of the fridge gas seriously due to the intel they had,had also issued media releases to that effect. M kerr was known at the time to be under immense pressure through his unusual behavior at some race meetings and it was subsequently revealed he had lost millions in gambling and defrauded many people through many different means.

Where is the evidence?  The horse had had respiratory issues for a long time before Kerr got him.  Are you saying the previous trainer was at fault?

As for the "intel" those rumours were rife about argon but there was never any evidence found in NZ or OZ.  As we have debated before argon is not easy nor cheap to get a hold of and there would be a chain of evidence relating to supply.  Kerr was under pressure because of his gambling but you draw long bows my friend.

23 minutes ago, the galah said:

then,to add to that, we get this nairtn lady saying she was involved in the rehoming process and after arcano was rehomed ,apparently the horse exhibited issues related to damaged  lungs. Then nairn ,to apparently prove a point ,dissected the horse and displayed on her facebook page what she said were the lungs of arcano,pointing to what she said were damaged lungs and gave what she thought was the reason.i.e. treated with fridge gasing by the trainer rumoured to be fridge gasing..

The horse HAD respiratory issues BEFORE Kerr got it.  As for her dissection if she wanted to prove a point why wasn't the dissection done with reputable trained people observing and under proper forensic conditions?  Why weren't blood samples taken before the dissections?  Were tissue samples taken during the dissection and tested or even analysed by a trained animal pathologist?  All that would have proved her point well and truly.  She had no evidence that the alleged lung damage wasn't caused by a pathological disease the horse had over a long period of time.

30 minutes ago, the galah said:

now you can talk as much as you like about the things not stacking up,the lack of definitive proof. And your right,there isn't any definitive proof.

nairn's conclusions are based on circumstantial evidence so need to be viewed accordingly.

In my opinion it is worse than that however even based on this assessment by you why should any credence be given to Nairn's findings?

32 minutes ago, the galah said:

but despite all you have said steven b,i bet you my bottom $,that if you asked  people who had knowledge ot the trainer and the horse,they would say they believed nairn.

and thats how life works,rightly or wrongly,people make assuptions and draw conclusions and just have to follow their own instincts and knowldge to form their opinions.

And in this case,what nairn has said seems  entirely plausible to me as well..

That's the biggest problem with social media implausible and outlandish conspiracies are given airtime and there is always a group willing to believe them.  Nairn's evidence and conclusions fall over on numerous points.  I've already posted a few as has more eloquently @Steven B - but if the argon gave Arcano the necessary lift to win how did it do it?  Argon is stated by Nairn as an EPO agent (a stretch at best) yet Arcano was known to have respiratory issues prior to Kerr training him and Nairn says Argon damaged his lungs then if both those facts are correct how did Arcano win?  The horse wins because her conclusions are wrong.  

[Chief Stipe]

38 minutes ago, the galah said:

i had thought the places like what was once saddle and stirrups, took horses with the intention of rehoming them.

you appear to be saying they don't and say nairn should have retained arcano,not rehomed him.

i think you know thats not how those rehoming places work.

Wrong again.  Rehoming agencies RETRAIN horses so they can be rehomed.  Rehoming in this sense ISN'T putting them in a paddock where they will get grass and have a boring life moping around in a paddock for the rest of their lives.  Rehoming is RETRAINING them so they can be ridden and handled by any inexperienced person.  For some reason Arcano wasn't suitable for Nairn's view of rehoming.  She argues it was because of its respiratory issues.  But if that was the case why couldn't it have been rehomed to just live life in a paddock?  No Nairn chose to euthanise the horse and then embellish and put on internet showtime the dissection of the horse.

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

FFS @the galah her "knowledge" is BS.  If you are not anti-racing then she should "irritate" the hell out of you.  

i haven't seen anything said in this topic to get irritated about.That includes anything nairn said.And Bit of a yarn's not a forum that has people whose opinions irritate me.

but this is a topic(animal welfare and care of ex racehorses) that can be divisive elsewhere,whether its handled delicately or not. just is.And theres  people out there who  are unhappy with how things are going in life for themselves   and seem to transfer their frustration onto others and this can be a topic that draws that out. I'm talking mostly people who support nairn's point of view. I'm not meaing her or  anyone else whos posted on this topic either. just people are people in the real world..

 

35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Wrong again.  Rehoming agencies RETRAIN horses so they can be rehomed.  Rehoming in this sense ISN'T putting them in a paddock where they will get grass and have a boring life moping around in a paddock for the rest of their lives.  Rehoming is RETRAINING them so they can be ridden and handled by any inexperienced person.  For some reason Arcano wasn't suitable for Nairn's view of rehoming.  She argues it was because of its respiratory issues.  But if that was the case why couldn't it have been rehomed to just live life in a paddock?  No Nairn chose to euthanise the horse and then embellish and put on internet showtime the dissection of the horse.

Not wrong again. 

You do like to say that a lot to me. Can you at least say it when i have said something thats wrong,as i think you overuse it and it loses it effect on me. .

you said "rehoming agencies retrain horses so they can be rehomed." I said "rehoming places took horses with the intention of rehoming them". You  say tomato i say tomato type thing.

Edited 21 hours ago by the galah

[Steven B]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

4 hours ago, Steven B said:

 

thats a chief type of reply. Where someone says i have i said something,in this case your comments makes me uncomfortable,when i have never said that.  so comment away as much as you like .

My analysis of your comments is you come across as intolerant of what shes doing and saying.Like you think shes got just enough knowledge to irritate you. 

Listen Mate 

So just what knowledge are we referring to?

If she claims to be blowing the whistle on wrongdoing, then where is the confirmed evidence? Where are the autopsy results for Arcano? Where are the pathology reports, blood tests, and the official correspondence she allegedly sent to the CEO of the Standardbred Organisation in New Zealand.

Transparency is the cornerstone of credibility. If her allegations hold any merit, then those implicated in the alleged harm — including claims of “fridge gassing” — should be subject to investigation. But without documentation, it’s not whistleblowing; it’s noise.

Her public commentary often feels more theatrical than factual — as seen in the Duncan Garner interview, where no definitive answers were offered. If she wishes to be regarded as a serious whistleblower in an industry that clearly needs reform, she must move beyond speculation and present verifiable substance.

Then there’s the Arcano case. Why was an unsound horse like him allowed to pass through the Stable Stirrups programme? A horse of that calibre would likely command a strong sale price — and he did. Yet she removed him from charity, schooled him, charged the owner, and ultimately dissected him, charging people to watch it. Then she cashes in again on Patreon. The owner lost significantly. That’s not advocacy — that’s opportunism. It’s hard not to see it as having her snout in the trough.

Yes, she may have experience retraining Standardbreds and some exposure to taxidermy, but where is the peer-reviewed evidence? Where is the formal qualification to teach or perform dissection?

Her introduction of the Canadian vet on her page was troubling — a respected professional reduced to a sidekick in what felt like a Beck Nairn production. That’s not advocacy; it’s branding.

And then there’s the Patreon clip — driving while filming, with a young child in the passenger seat. That’s not just poor judgment; it’s a safety risk. Even viewers commented on it.

If she wants to be taken seriously, she must shift from performance to proof.

[Steven B]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Where is the evidence?  The horse had had respiratory issues for a long time before Kerr got him.  Are you saying the previous trainer was at fault?

As for the "intel" those rumours were rife about argon but there was never any evidence found in NZ or OZ.  As we have debated before argon is not easy nor cheap to get a hold of and there would be a chain of evidence relating to supply.  Kerr was under pressure because of his gambling but you draw long bows my friend.

The horse HAD respiratory issues BEFORE Kerr got it.  As for her dissection if she wanted to prove a point why wasn't the dissection done with reputable trained people observing and under proper forensic conditions?  Why weren't blood samples taken before the dissections?  Were tissue samples taken during the dissection and tested or even analysed by a trained animal pathologist?  All that would have proved her point well and truly.  She had no evidence that the alleged lung damage wasn't caused by a pathological disease the horse had over a long period of time.

In my opinion it is worse than that however even based on this assessment by you why should any credence be given to Nairn's findings?

That's the biggest problem with social media implausible and outlandish conspiracies are given airtime and there is always a group willing to believe them.  Nairn's evidence and conclusions fall over on numerous points.  I've already posted a few as has more eloquently @Steven B - but if the argon gave Arcano the necessary lift to win how did it do it?  Argon is stated by Nairn as an EPO agent (a stretch at best) yet Arcano was known to have respiratory issues prior to Kerr training him and Nairn says Argon damaged his lungs then if both those facts are correct how did Arcano win?  The horse wins because her conclusions are wrong.  

I agree with you 

As previously mentioned, Nairn was actively promoting Arcano’s arrival at the charity for rehoming, speaking emphatically about board meetings and decisions. However, Arcano reportedly had respiratory issues upon entering the Stable to Stirrup programme — a fact that raises serious questions about his suitability and the programme’s oversight.

I was advised that visually striking Standardbreds tend to command higher sale prices. Arcano, being grey and possessing that “X factor,” was clearly marketable. Nairn appeared to seize the opportunity: she placed him in the charity despite his unsound condition, had him schooled, charged the owner, and ultimately dissected him — all while monetising the process through training fees, dissection content, and Patreon. That’s not rescue work; that’s calculated opportunism.

Her vocal claims and allegations lack supporting evidence. Serious accusations require documentation, not speculation. Without verified facts, it’s not whistleblowing — it’s noise.

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

You do like to say that a lot to me. Can you at least say it when i have said something thats wrong,as i think you overuse it and it loses it effect on me. .

you said "rehoming agencies retrain horses so they can be rehomed." I said "rehoming places took horses with the intention of rehoming them". You  say tomato i say tomato type thing.

Nairn's Charity was called "Standardbreds Stable to Stirrup".  The inferred intent was to retrain the horses so they could be ridden.  If they couldn't be ridden I would imagine they weren't suitable for rehoming.

What is interesting in the annual returns is the last year of Nairn's involvement as a Trustee the organisation had 1 full time and 2 part time employees.  The fees paid to the employees was $90k.  On the revenue side there was revenue of $74k labelled "Other Revenue".  Donations and other funding have separate entries.  After Nairn's departure the Other Revenue largely disappeared and there were no paid employees only volunteers.

[Gammalite]

It's such a hard arguement . Is great some people want to step up and have a look at re-homing tried or tired horses that owners want to finish with. Like I said previously I saw many winning retired thoroughbreds in the show circuit show-jumping around Aus. was excellent to see. the horses were teenaged , but enjoying themselves it seemed and the pampered and looked after well. we sent Standardbreds to youngster Gymkhana's where they were quite popular doing the events as were bigger than ponies and better manners too , for the kids riding. (most of the time lol) 

Foundations and Charities of any Type do well if they can get a TOP Rich Benefactor, but still need social media Exposure to remain potent and functioning , or will just fade to charity and volunteer workers as you indicated Chief. This re-homing lot Standardbred to stirrup would be Very Small in the great scheme of things, so would be very hard to keep operating at ANY Level. as indicated in this thread. But GOOD on Some-One for trying . that's all you can do in life. Have a Go . Like Nairn is with things she enjoys.  

As for getting upset about dissection, well that's her business. Someone was paying Nairn so she performed a service that would be mega -expensive to pay a professional to do, to form an opinion. and if you want to believe her or not is irrelevant. (her assessment of dead or alive horses) she is intitled to an opinion.  Seems she used a Canadian Vet as consultant and that received back lash as well ? nothing wrong with getting a vets opinions if possible ? sounds a good strategy rather than going totally alone.

Definitive Science is Physics and Chemistry.and that sort of thing. What you want and Hesi and Steven B. 

but racing, horses, re-homing ,is emotional stuff. as you all mention comes into it , but the lady is just pursuing things she feels strongly about . if she makes a few bucks for her opinion = So what ? might as well , as with a lot of pursuits such as racing a horse, personal costs add up at times, so is good to get something back.

And why does her opinion hurt anyone anyway ? surely some sort of feedback on ARCANO and that is better than none ?   people comment on PLENTY of folk (including top level Governments) doing things poorly in their opinion. And they DO GET PERSONAL about it too. which isn't nice. 

Not to mention the endless Criticism of the PROFESSIONALS that make the decisions for HRNZ and NZTR. nobody at those mobs seems capable of making the right operating procedures At All,   going by the amateur opinion you see on social media Everyday. also with personal attacks and name calling quite often. Hell , you guys turn on yourselves posting half the time lol  😆 ( I think they're (HRNZ) doing a fine Job in the current social environment IMO ) 

The Galah on the money. If you shut down everyone's opinion because they're not a bloody 'Scientist' , the world wouldn't even have forums Chief. let alone persons trying to re-home or train horses. 

there is No great conspiracies here. it's just horses. No UFO's . just opinion.  

 

 

47 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Nairn's Charity was called "Standardbreds Stable to Stirrup".  The inferred intent was to retrain the horses so they could be ridden.  If they couldn't be ridden I would imagine they weren't suitable for rehoming.

What is interesting in the annual returns is the last year of Nairn's involvement as a Trustee the organisation had 1 full time and 2 part time employees.  The fees paid to the employees was $90k.  On the revenue side there was revenue of $74k labelled "Other Revenue".  Donations and other funding have separate entries.  After Nairn's departure the Other Revenue largely disappeared and there were no paid employees only volunteers.

[Chief Stipe]

42 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

if she makes a few bucks for her opinion = So what ? might as well , as with a lot of pursuits such as racing a horse, personal costs add up at times, so is good to get something back.

At the expense of the gullible?  

42 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

And why does her opinion hurt anyone anyway ? surely some sort of feedback on ARCANO and that is better than none ?   people comment on PLENTY of folk (including top level Governments) doing things poorly in their opinion. And they DO GET PERSONAL about it too. which isn't nice. 

Her opinions may or may not hurt any one individual but they do hurt the industry.  Why does there need to be any feedback on Arcano?  Fraudalent false information and dodgy science is worse than no feedback.  

42 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Not to mention the endless Criticism of the PROFESSIONALS that make the decisions for HRNZ and NZTR. nobody at those mobs seems capable of making the right operating procedures At All,   going by the amateur opinion you see on social media Everyday. also with personal attacks and name calling quite often. Hell , you guys turn on yourselves posting half the time lol  😆 ( I think they're (HRNZ) doing a fine Job in the current social environment IMO ) 

Therein you make a good point but staying silent about or trying to justify Nairns right to make false unfounded allegations does the racing industry considerable harm.  So I applaud anyone who publically in a very articulate manner shows her for what she is.  A fraud that makes money out of dissecting horses and who is anti-racing.  

42 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

The Galah on the money. If you shut down everyone's opinion because they're not a bloody 'Scientist' , the world wouldn't even have forums Chief. let alone persons trying to re-home or train horses. 

I haven't shut anyone down.  Nor am I hiding behind moderation unlike one forum owner who closes down anyone who he thinks make him look stupid.  Which quite frankly isn't hard to do.   On internet social media it is easy to find a group that will agree with you but very hard to find an open forum where you can robustly debate the issues.  

I'd quite happily debate Nairn on a forum as I'm sure @Steven B would but she hides and shuts down opinion who doesn't agree with her. As for her rehoming horses she seems more intent on euthanising them so she can profit from dissecting them!  

42 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

there is No great conspiracies here. it's just horses. No UFO's . just opinion.  

Exactly - yet many posters are intent on creating the impression there ARE conspiracies.  Often they don't present any facts to support their innuendo, supposition and inferences.

[Steven B]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Nairn's Charity was called "Standardbreds Stable to Stirrup".  The inferred intent was to retrain the horses so they could be ridden.  If they couldn't be ridden I would imagine they weren't suitable for rehoming.

What is interesting in the annual returns is the last year of Nairn's involvement as a Trustee the organisation had 1 full time and 2 part time employees.  The fees paid to the employees was $90k.  On the revenue side there was revenue of $74k labelled "Other Revenue".  Donations and other funding have separate entries.  After Nairn's departure the Other Revenue largely disappeared and there were no paid employees only volunteer

Very Interesting Chief 

What do you make of the fact that “Other Revenue” vanished right after Nairn left—was that tied to her personally? Here’s Arcano at Becks Nairn property. He should have remained with the charity to complete his training. Instead, Nairn saw an opportunity to make a quick buck by charging Kirsty a weekly rate for his schooling and getting him ready for the show ring. That’s a conflict of interest, no question.

There’s even a photo of Nairn riding training Arcano, with Kirsty praising her. Then she dissected him—$395 a head, maybe 10 people watching. That’s $3,950 gross for telling a story with questionable accuracy. And then she profited off him again on her Patreon page. Didn’t she do well out of Arcano?

That’s not just a coincidence. That’s a pattern.

[Chief Stipe]

52 minutes ago, Steven B said:

There’s even a photo of Nairn riding training Arcano, with Kirsty praising her. Then she dissected him—$395 a head, maybe 10 people watching. That’s $3,950 gross for telling a story with questionable accuracy. And then she profited off him again on her Patreon page. Didn’t she do well out of Arcano?

More than his last win!

[hesi]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

At the expense of the gullible?  

Her opinions may or may not hurt any one individual but they do hurt the industry.  Why does there need to be any feedback on Arcano?  Fraudalent false information and dodgy science is worse than no feedback.  

Therein you make a good point but staying silent about or trying to justify Nairns right to make false unfounded allegations does the racing industry considerable harm.  So I applaud anyone who publically in a very articulate manner shows her for what she is.  A fraud that makes money out of dissecting horses and who is anti-racing.  

I haven't shut anyone down.  Nor am I hiding behind moderation unlike one forum owner who closes down anyone who he thinks make him look stupid.  Which quite frankly isn't hard to do.   On internet social media it is easy to find a group that will agree with you but very hard to find an open forum where you can robustly debate the issues.  

I'd quite happily debate Nairn on a forum as I'm sure @Steven B would but she hides and shuts down opinion who doesn't agree with her. As for her rehoming horses she seems more intent on euthanising them so she can profit from dissecting them!  

Exactly - yet many posters are intent on creating the impression there ARE conspiracies.  Often they don't present any facts to support their innuendo, supposition and inferences.

Usually only childish memes that they actually believe are 'proof'

[hesi]

Steven B has talked about for any such work to be taken seriously, it needs to be peer reviewed.

This is not just the scientific voracity of the work itself but the author

This may involve such things as

Who funds the authors' work.

What motives the author may have for producing the work

What other work has the author published

What links does the author have to other people and organisations

 

[hesi]

Science is pretty much absolute Gamma (LB), and that which isn't is always under review by the scientific community.

You can pretty much guarantee, if you jump off the Sky Tower, what your velocity will be when you hit the concrete, based on the conversion of potential into kinetic energy, and why every organ and bone in your body will be obliterated as that energy is dissipated as you go from that velocity to zero in the space of a milli second.

Sorry, about as morbid as some of Becks Nairn's dissection pics

[Steven B]

14 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Foundations and Charities of any Type do well if they can get a TOP Rich Benefactor, but still need social media Exposure to remain potent and functioning , or will just fade to charity and volunteer workers as you indicated Chief. This re-homing lot Standardbred to stirrup would be Very Small in the great scheme of things, so would be very hard to keep operating at ANY Level. as indicated in this thread. But GOOD on Some-One for trying . that's all you can do in life. Have a Go . Like Nairn is with things she enjoys.  

As for getting upset about dissection, well that's her business. Someone was paying Nairn so she performed a service that would be mega -expensive to pay a professional to do, to form an opinion. and if you want to believe her or not is irrelevant. (her assessment of dead or alive horses) she is intitled to an opinion.  Seems she used a Canadian Vet as consultant and that received back lash as well ? nothing wrong with getting a vets opinions if possible ? sounds a good strategy rather than going totally alone.

Definitive Science is Physics and Chemistry.and that sort of thing. What you want and Hesi and Steven B. 

but racing, horses, re-homing ,is emotional stuff. as you all mention comes into it , but the lady is just pursuing things she feels strongly about . if she makes a few bucks for her opinion = So what ? might as well , as with a lot of pursuits such as racing a horse, personal costs add up at times, so is good to get something back.

And why does her opinion hurt anyone anyway ? surely some sort of feedback on ARCANO and that is better than none ?   people comment on PLENTY of folk (including top level Governments) doing things poorly in their opinion. And they DO GET PERSONAL about it too. which isn't nice. 

Not to mention the endless Criticism of the PROFESSIONALS that make the decisions for HRNZ and NZTR. nobody at those mobs seems capable of making the right operating procedures At All,   going by the amateur opinion you see on social media Everyday. also with personal attacks and name calling quite often. Hell , you guys turn on yourselves posting half the time lol  😆 ( I think they're (HRNZ) doing a fine Job in the current social environment IMO ) 

The Galah on the money. If you shut down everyone's opinion because they're not a bloody 'Scientist' , the world wouldn't even have forums Chief. let alone persons trying to re-home or train horses. 

there is No great conspiracies here. it's just horses. No UFO's . just opinion.  

She has the right to an opinion, but not where there are grave allegations such as fridge gassing unproven, that is not opinion, that is defamation. The argument that she employed a Canadian vet is not true and claiming that it offers credibility to a dubious event. It does not matter to say that she did a service that could be costly to obtain by hiring a professional, but when this service is deceptive, unqualified, and earns a profit, it is no longer a favour, it is a form of exploitation. Nairn put Arcano through the charity when he was unsound, and made three different profits out of the horse, which left the owner without money. The owner even presided over the dissection of Arcano to Nairn, as Nairn made another, but more, profit. The notion that all feedback is better than none is unsustainable- fake feedback is worse than none since it is misleading, destroys reputations, and compromises actual welfare work. Yes, there are those who criticise professionals every minute but professionals are expected to deliver and in case Nairn wants to be in this arena, she ought to as well. Trying to dismiss the problem with the cheap statement that it’s merely horses, no UFOs, is simply a way to deflect the problem. Animal welfare is a serious issue, and it is an insult to everyone who really cares. And lastly, when one says that opinion-closing would kill forums, one is missing the point that forums are created to discuss rather than to misinform people in the name of being an advocate. 

[Gammalite]

11 minutes ago, Steven B said:

She has the right to an opinion, but not where there are grave allegations such as fridge gassing unproven, that is not opinion, that is defamation. The argument that she employed a Canadian vet is not true and claiming that it offers credibility to a dubious event. It does not matter to say that she did a service that could be costly to obtain by hiring a professional, but when this service is deceptive, unqualified, and earns a profit, it is no longer a favour, it is a form of exploitation. Nairn put Arcano through the charity when he was unsound, and made three different profits out of the horse, which left the owner without money. The owner even presided over the dissection of Arcano to Nairn, as Nairn made another, but more, profit. The notion that all feedback is better than none is unsustainable- fake feedback is worse than none since it is misleading, destroys reputations, and compromises actual welfare work. Yes, there are those who criticise professionals every minute but professionals are expected to deliver and in case Nairn wants to be in this arena, she ought to as well. Trying to dismiss the problem with the cheap statement that it’s merely horses, no UFOs, is simply a way to deflect the problem. Animal welfare is a serious issue, and it is an insult to everyone who really cares. And lastly, when one says that opinion-closing would kill forums, one is missing the point that forums are created to discuss rather than to misinform people in the name of being an advocate. 

Fair comment I spose. Professionals are supposed to perform to High standards in any area/field , being paid for it and all . so when amateur opinion appears, then the critics will arrive in force if they feel their output is incorrect.. You are strongly against a number of things that Nairn has done so have attacked hard here. (against Nairn ) 

A lot of forums Express their discontent with things . and we debate strongly without being too personal. (except for JJ lol )  So identities are hidden , and we can debate without personal insult or even scientific evidence . Brodie, Galah, Chief and I have debated a lot of topics and only agree on things half the time. It's just all opinion , and lots of the stuff is quite interesting to do with our great sport . some things are more important than others to some , like betting to Brodie, and Track conditions to Chief, and whip rules to some observers etc. I strongly love that horse welfare efforts are made by some. I spoke out about the awful treatment of Ben Yoles Tas operation, (which was eventually bought to some justice too) and love when horses can get re-homed. I'm appalled by anything administered to horses for race performance. ( I raced in the milkshake era but never applied one) you had a blue magic saga in NZ and all that sort of thing. 

28 minutes ago, Steven B said:

Trying to dismiss the problem with the cheap statement that it’s merely horses, no UFOs, is simply a way to deflect the problem. Animal welfare is a serious issue, and it is an insult to everyone who really cares

and So Steven, am not dismissing anything to do with Animal welfare. Regarding the current whip debate, we were sanctioned in our races for whip use way back in the 90's , and rules were adopted to fix. and been no problem in harness since. Alas galloping still has on-going issues. Talk to Curious about it.

As for comparing alive to dead horses. Well Nairn like a lot of people around, can see there is a difference between the 2 . they are a carcass once they're deceased. no 2 ways about it . you treat a carcass different to a live being.  I've seen plenty . I worked in vet after harness and was caught up in the HEndra virus outbreak in Brisbane in the 90's . plenty of dead horses, there were dead people as well Steven.  including a horse trainer a vet and a vet nurse. Plenty of dissection and plenty of opinions. a very frightening time . you've got no idea. Was close to being an apocalypse. we were locked down in Pathology.  Some welfare things I've seen would make your teeth fall out mate. Bec isn't one of them . you are attacking 'small fry' there . she is someone pursuing her interests. and trying to help horses.

Go After those BIG GAME Hunters that pay $30,000 each trip,  to go to Africa just to 'shoot something' for their Trophy Room. Absolute disgrace that is allowed to happen EVERY WEEK. I hate those mongrels. (mostly Americans)  There's something to be angry over, rather than a lady doing a horse dissection on a retired horse.     

[Steven B]

19 hours ago, the galah said:

thats a chief type of reply. Where someone says i have i said something,in this case your comments makes me uncomfortable,when i have never said that.  so comment away as much as you like .

My analysis of your comments is you come across as intolerant of what shes doing and saying.Like you think shes got just enough knowledge to irritate you. 

you asked for proof that arcano was fridge gased by m kerr.. I know that seems to be a constant in many of your posts.

but heres the thing as i posted a while back on this topic..

M kerr was rumoured to be doing that,the horse made what many thought was a remarkable turnaround in form within just weeks of m kerr getting it to win easily at addington,then the said horse dropped out next start and then was retired after the next start. Hrnz at the time,had said they were taking allegations of the fridge gas seriously due to the intel they had,had also issued media releases to that effect. M kerr was known at the time to be under immense pressure through his unusual behavior at some race meetings and it was subsequently revealed he had lost millions in gambling and defrauded many people through many different means.

then,to add to that, we get this nairtn lady saying she was involved in the rehoming process and after arcano was rehomed ,apparently the horse exhibited issues related to damaged  lungs. Then nairn ,to apparently prove a point ,dissected the horse and displayed on her facebook page what she said were the lungs of arcano,pointing to what she said were damaged lungs and gave what she thought was the reason.i.e. treated with fridge gasing by the trainer rumoured to be fridge gasing..

now you can talk as much as you like about the things not stacking up,the lack of definitive proof. And your right,there isn't any definitive proof.

nairn's conclusions are based on circumstantial evidence so need to be viewed accordingly.

but despite all you have said steven b,i bet you my bottom $,that if you asked  people who had knowledge ot the trainer and the horse,they would say they believed nairn.

and thats how life works,rightly or wrongly,people make assuptions and draw conclusions and just have to follow their own instincts and knowldge to form their opinions.

And in this case,what nairn has said seems  entirely plausible to me as well..

i had thought the places like what was once saddle and stirrups, took horses with the intention of rehoming them.

you appear to be saying they don't and say nairn should have retained arcano,not rehomed him.

i think you know thats not how those rehoming places work.

Her large, boastful mouth claimed she was attending a board meeting, making Nairn sound like she was part of some high-end, corporate-style horse rehab center. She publicly posted that Arcano was coming into the charity and had been fridge gassed—a serious accusation made without a shred of substantiated evidence. She personally assessed the horse, passed him through the charity while unsound, and he was later bought by Kirsty of Marlborough, clearly a woman of means. Nairn smelled money and saw her chance.

Instead of keeping Arcano at the charity to complete proper rehabilitation, Nairn took advantage of the situation and persuaded the owner to let her train him for the show ring—at a weekly fee. I heard it was $250 per week for six weeks. Maybe it’s hearsay, but I believe it. From what I’ve read and been told, Arcano performed well in the ring. Then, out of nowhere, he was euthanised. The former owner said it was because he was becoming aggressive, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Nairn orchestrated that too. It reeks of a second profit grab.

The owner, who seems like a genuinely kind and easily led woman, then hosted the dissection of her own horse for Nairn. Nairn conducted the so-called dissection, and the owner walked away thinking she had answers—yet there is no hard evidence that Arcano was ever fridge gassed. Nairn profited off this horse three separate times. Has anyone mentioned whether the owner was reimbursed for what she paid? Any refund from Nairn , for the training fees spent on an unsound horse passed through a charity?

Again, this looks like a case of chasing profile and online attention. If Nairn truly intended to clean up this industry, where is the verified autopsy report? Not hearsay. Not “a vet told me.” We want hard evidence, signed off by a qualified expert. If she’s serious about reform, why hasn’t she come forward with real proof and initiated a proper investigation?

[Steven B]

38 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Fair comment I spose. Professionals are supposed to perform to High standards in any area/field , being paid for it and all . so when amateur opinion appears, then the critics will arrive in force if they feel their output is incorrect.. You are strongly against a number of things that Nairn has done so have attacked hard here. (against Nairn ) 

A lot of forums Express their discontent with things . and we debate strongly without being too personal. (except for JJ lol )  So identities are hidden , and we can debate without personal insult or even scientific evidence . Brodie, Galah, Chief and I have debated a lot of topics and only agree on things half the time. It's just all opinion , and lots of the stuff is quite interesting to do with our great sport . some things are more important than others to some , like betting to Brodie, and Track conditions to Chief, and whip rules to some observers etc. I strongly love that horse welfare efforts are made by some. I spoke out about the awful treatment of Ben Yoles Tas operation, (which was eventually bought to some justice too) and love when horses can get re-homed. I'm appalled by anything administered to horses for race performance. ( I raced in the milkshake era but never applied one) you had a blue magic saga in NZ and all that sort of thing. 

and So Steven, am not dismissing anything to do with Animal welfare. Regarding the current whip debate, we were sanctioned in our races for whip use way back in the 90's , and rules were adopted to fix. and been no problem in harness since. Alas galloping still has on-going issues. Talk to Curious about it.

As for comparing alive to dead horses. Well Nairn like a lot of people around, can see there is a difference between the 2 . they are a carcass once they're deceased. no 2 ways about it . you treat a carcass different to a live being.  I've seen plenty . I worked in vet after harness and was caught up in the HEndra virus outbreak in Brisbane in the 90's . plenty of dead horses, there were dead people as well Steven.  including a horse trainer a vet and a vet nurse. Plenty of dissection and plenty of opinions. a very frightening time . you've got no idea. Was close to being an apocalypse. we were locked down in Pathology.  Some welfare things I've seen would make your teeth fall out mate. Bec isn't one of them . you are attacking 'small fry' there . she is someone pursuing her interests. and trying to help horses.

Go After those BIG GAME Hunters that pay $30,000 each trip,  to go to Africa just to 'shoot something' for their Trophy Room. Absolute disgrace that is allowed to happen EVERY WEEK. I hate those mongrels. (mostly Americans)  There's something to be angry over, rather than a lady doing a horse dissection on a retired horse.     

Thank you in your consideration, but I feel that in your reply you have lacked the main point. This is not an argument on whether dead horses are anatomically different with the live ones- that is a biological fact. The question is on the procedural and ethical integrity of the action taken on Arcano and the manner in which it was brought out to the people. By the person making an announcement publicly claiming that someone had fridge gassed a horse and no evidence is proven, it stops being a mere opinion, and it becomes a weighty charge. That demands scrutiny. The Hendra virus outbreak is horrifying, and I do not refute the trauma behind it. However, the reference to the historical experience of pathology and dissection will not necessarily confirm the validity of the actions of Nairn. Crisis experience does not absolve the responsibility during peaceful periods. The dilemma is: was it the science, transparency and ethical process of dissecting Arcano that occurred or was this an act of performance to gain attention and gain profit? It is a rhetorical minimisation to refer to Nairn as a small fry. Provided her telling in public, getting money, and moving others within the horse welfare arena, then she is working in a public space and ought to be subject to public judgment. Her influence is so huge that it does not matter that the truthfulness and responsibility are required. When people transfer their anger to trophy hunters in Africa, it is a time-honored way of evading the issue. Of course, such practice is detestable--but it has nothing to do with the case in point. When they fail in one area ethically, it does not mean that they will be excused in another. When we are concerned with animal welfare we should be consistent in our criterion, rather than selective in our indignation. In the end, it is not an issue of attacking another person because of his/her interests. It is about enforcing honesty on people who purport to represent the helpless animals. In case Nairn wants to participate in reform, she should lead by example, rather than gossip. It is not being cruel, it is being responsible.

[Chief Stipe]

51 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Some welfare things I've seen would make your teeth fall out mate. Bec isn't one of them . you are attacking 'small fry' there . she is someone pursuing her interests. and trying to help horses.

I was with you until you got to this point.  Regardless of whether or not in your opinion she is "small fry" (she has 50,000 followers on Facebook) or a big fish through her exploitation of Arcano she poured fuel on an unproven allegation.  You are correct "she is someone pursing her interests" but it is at the expense of racing.  As for her "trying to help horses" - euthanising horses so she can profit from her dissection presentations is hardly helping.  

[Chief Stipe]

Look at her latest post.  This is the "Independent Equine Research and Therapy Laboratory"!  Give me a break!  It fails all the basic protocols for an evidential lab let alone an amateur dissection lab!  @Gammalite these nuttters have only one objective and that is to fuel conspiracies about the racing industry.  By the way "taking it to the Next Level" was to install solar panels!

One Year of Learning, Growth, and Connection

We’ve quietly reached the first birthday of our Equine Research and Learning Facility — and what a year it’s been.

Over the past 12 months, we’ve completed seven full equine dissections — each one a profound learning opportunity. The space has drawn in a wide range of people: curious, respectful, open-minded individuals from all corners of the equine world — including some well-known faces from New Zealand’s equine community.

This isn’t a space for everyone — and that’s okay. But those who’ve spent time here will understand what makes it special. It’s not just a building — it’s a hive of like-minded souls. A place built on compassion, courtesy, observation, curiosity, and gratitude. Each person who walks through the door brings something — and leaves with so much more.

We’re proud of what this facility has become — and even more excited about where it’s going. A big announcement is coming soon — one that will take everything this facility represents to the next level.

Today, we acknowledge the past 12 months, it achievements and deeply appreciate the dedication and kind souls who’ve given their time, knowledge, experience, and compassion to create a space like no other:

Becks Nairn

Paula Doherty

Sarah Blackburn

Dr. Ruth McManus

Esme Whinwray (me )

We have each worked hard for the knowledge

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☆ Dr. Ruth McManus

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☆ Paula Doherty

☆ Pat & Tony Whinwray

☆ Jacqui Muller - in loving memory of Pony

☆ Jervis Whinwray - RIP

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☆ Clare Porter

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[Trojan]

Perhaps a message to MPI might be in order.

[Steven B]

3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I was with you until you got to this point.  Regardless of whether or not in your opinion she is "small fry" (she has 50,000 followers on Facebook) or a big fish through her exploitation of Arcano she poured fuel on an unproven allegation.  You are correct "she is someone pursing her interests" but it is at the expense of racing.  As for her "trying to help horses" - euthanising horses so she can profit from her dissection presentations is hardly helping.  

 

19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I was with you until you got to this point.  Regardless of whether or not in your opinion she is "small fry" (she has 50,000 followers on Facebook) or a big fish through her exploitation of Arcano she poured fuel on an unproven allegation.  You are correct "she is someone pursing her interests" but it is at the expense of racing.  As for her "trying to help horses" - euthanising horses so she can profit from her dissection presentations is hardly helping

 

You're absolutely right. The number of her followers does not make a difference since she exaggerated an unprovable charge and created drama that hurts the world of racing. It is not compassion to pose as helping horses and sell off their bodies in dissection demonstrations to make a profit. It is hypocritical to seek her interests at the cost of the sport and the animals she purports to be concerned with. Racing is not worthy of this form of self-promotional action.

This is more than hypocrisy, but it is a racket. She says that horses are donated, but experts have come forward to criticise her manipulative approach of exploiting emotionally fragile owners into putting their animals to rest. She not only diagnoses people without valid credentials but also forces owners and then delivers diagnoses to the so-called Learning Centre, which is not a place of learning but rather a butcher's shop where opportunists seek easy money. Many rumours have circulated about this place, and how demonic it is

Nairn does the dissections, collects fees and all the work is financed by an Irish outfit that also pays her to speak. Their membership of a rural scheme provides her with false sense of legitimacy, thus enabling her to work unimpeded. This ends up misleading the students and the people who are present, as they think that this is some form of education, when the truth is that this actually justifies amateur dissection by an individual who has no formal education.

Since she teaches in Ireland, some of them wrongly assume that she is competent to teach anatomy and osteopathy, when in reality, she is hoodwinking them. This is a dangerous pretence of power that deceives not only horse owners but students as well.

And it doesn’t end there. She once more makes money by narrating tales on Patreon where she exchanges fake news stories on her unverified autopsies. It is a cynical business concept that is based on dead horses, manipulation of emotion and lies.