The Definitive Answer To Becks Nairn and Other Conspiracists

[hesi]

I wonder what degree your mate did.  I don't think they do degrees in verbal diarrhea

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, hesi said:

I wonder what degree your mate did.  I don't think they do degrees in verbal diarrhea

If you are referring to who I think you are I think it was either a B.Com or a Dip. Ag. Val.

[Freda]

Interesting topic.     Keeping away from Nairn and the original thrust of her allegations,  I'm appalled at the apparent ease that so many seem to find in referring to themselves as 'expert '  in whatever and then proceeding to fleece the gullible. 

I've had a staff member ( with her own horses ) frank her stupidity by spending thousands with unqualified and barely competent practitioners getting a young horse broken in, having riding lessons, etc, etc, with predictable results.  

With a bit of advice and common sense the 'unbroken' horse came to hand quickly and kindly, her riding also improved from abysmal to  fair on a tractable horse, even to the point where she managed to ride slow trackwork for a local trainer. 

The point being that these unqualified practitioners are able to make money with considerable risk inherent for many who get sucked in. 

[curious]

I wonder how much of that is due to the so called experts claiming to be more expert than they really are, and how much is that their prospective customers have become less informed and less discerning?

[curious]

9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Equi-ed has acquired Government funding as do their students in some form or other.  Given the apparent lack of quality and valid qualifications of some of their tutors then one must conclude that either education standards have slipped and/or there is a rort.
 

They have also gained support for their courses from a number of credible organisations, e.g., 

https://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/about-us/media-centre/press-releases/2025/02/the-jockey-club-backs-enhanced-equine-welfare-education-programme-for-racing-staff-in-first-programme-of-its-kind-in-britain/

[Freda]

1 hour ago, curious said:

I wonder how much of that is due to the so called experts claiming to be more expert than they really are, and how much is that their prospective customers have become less informed and less discerning?

Obviously, to both.

Edited 15 hours ago by Freda

[hesi]

2 hours ago, Freda said:

Interesting topic.     Keeping away from Nairn and the original thrust of her allegations,  I'm appalled at the apparent ease that so many seem to find in referring to themselves as 'expert '  in whatever and then proceeding to fleece the gullible. 

I've had a staff member ( with her own horses ) frank her stupidity by spending thousands with unqualified and barely competent practitioners getting a young horse broken in, having riding lessons, etc, etc, with predictable results.  

With a bit of advice and common sense the 'unbroken' horse came to hand quickly and kindly, her riding also improved from abysmal to  fair on a tractable horse, even to the point where she managed to ride slow trackwork for a local trainer. 

The point being that these unqualified practitioners are able to make money with considerable risk inherent for many who get sucked in. 

It has always been around, just that the internet and social media provide a very convenient and easy vehicle.

I've always been a great respecter of genuine talent, but it is a minefield these days.  I have my areas of expertise as do many and can sus a person out very easily who is a wannabe.  Like you Freda with horses.  You probably know so much about them with the knowledge gained from years of experience and can easily pick a fraudster

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, curious said:

They have also gained support for their courses from a number of credible organisations, e.g., 

https://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/about-us/media-centre/press-releases/2025/02/the-jockey-club-backs-enhanced-equine-welfare-education-programme-for-racing-staff-in-first-programme-of-its-kind-in-britain/

We'll see what the new CEO does - I think he is the fourth CEO in 4 years.  I also think you are stretching to call the UK Jockey Club "credible".

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, Freda said:

The point being that these unqualified practitioners are able to make money with considerable risk inherent for many who get sucked in.

Some parts of the Equine industry are akin to the Wild West.  It has always troubled me that you don't need to be licensed to break a horse in.

 

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, curious said:

I wonder how much of that is due to the so called experts claiming to be more expert than they really are, and how much is that their prospective customers have become less informed and less discerning?

Well we now have the situation with the likes of Equi-ed that "so called experts" now have the opportunity to get dodgy non-quality assured qualifications that make the "so called experts" qualified!  I'm sure if you pitched up to the unitiated with a 6 month Diploma in Bit and Bridle selection/management you could command a fairly hefty fee!

[Shad]

We live in a world of experts, there across all fields, I'm sure many will be self acclaimed no doubt, maybe some deep digging one may find just how expert they really are.

[hesi]

3 minutes ago, Shad said:

We live in a world of experts, there across all fields, I'm sure many will be self acclaimed no doubt, maybe some deep digging one may find just how expert they really are.

That is pretty much standard practice in the scientific world.  It's called peer review, not just of your work, but what else you have written, who pays you, what your motives are, who your links are etc

[Steven B]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well we now have the situation with the likes of Equi-ed that "so called experts" now have the opportunity to get dodgy non-quality assured qualifications that make the "so called experts" qualified!  I'm sure if you pitched up to the unitiated with a 6 month Diploma in Bit and Bridle selection/management you could command a fairly hefty fee!

Stripe- did you have anything to confirm that EquiEd has government funding in New Zealand? When Becks Naorn participates in learning, and any funding is made by TEC or the government, this joint must be disbanded now. You do not want such an operation running in Aotearoa. In case you have the info, leave the link. Individuals must have a channel with which to complain and seek an accountability.

[Chief Stipe]

18 minutes ago, Steven B said:

Stripe- did you have anything to confirm that EquiEd has government funding in New Zealand? When Becks Naorn participates in learning, and any funding is made by TEC or the government, this joint must be disbanded now. You do not want such an operation running in Aotearoa. In case you have the info, leave the link. Individuals must have a channel with which to complain and seek an accountability.

Some very good questions.  I haven't researched the NZ education connection.  However I note that Equi-ed refer to NZ being a location on their website, social media and other communications.