Arsenic Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I’ve just watched on Racing Victoria.Com the head of Victoria Integrity Jamie Steir being interviewed regarding the Darren Weir affair , very upfront and explained exactly the situation as it is . Then New Zealand has its own Racing Integrity Unit of course run by one Michael Godber . The difference between the two administrators is lightyears apart Jamie Steir was a breath of fresh air . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 What they do have in common however is that they administer systems which are contrary to natural justice IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mark D said: What they do have in common however is that they administer systems which are contrary to natural justice IMO Nah Mark, you are usually on the button mate, however VIC and NZ are different planets.......the old VIC was a joke, a boys club, I lived and breathed it in the 80's, they had a white line in the members at Flemington, no Shielas were to cross it......it was a shameful and closeted place.......The VRC ran everything, should you cross them? ......nowadays they are ever so different, yep, they got the cobalt prosecution wrong and it showed, they learned from that......NZ is a disgrace, the RIU ever so.......completely out of their depth, and some of them can't even read a race.......we are very close to it, one day our story will come out.........I'll go to my grave making sure of that...we are sick to death [literally] of the lies and deceit.......but that's a whole different story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 You miss my point Rowley - guilty until proven innocent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 44 minutes ago, Arsenic said: I’ve just watched on Racing Victoria.Com the head of Victoria Integrity Jamie Steir being interviewed regarding the Darren Weir affair , very upfront and explained exactly the situation as it is . Then New Zealand has its own Racing Integrity Unit of course run by one Michael Godber . The difference between the two administrators is lightyears apart Jamie Steir was a breath of fresh air . heres a link to that interview https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-02/news-stier-updates-on-weir-mclean-kermond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 27 minutes ago, Mark D said: You miss my point Rowley - guilty until proven innocent Mark, I know you guys don't have a gambling culture like we do over here, TABCORP released a statement on Friday evening in support of the stewards, scratching Weir's horses. You couldn't have horses running with supposition that one, several or all of them were "treated" earlier in the day....and that's what the Public perception may have been. TABCORP needed to take "may have" out of the equation. In addition, we know in NZ it plays a minor part, if any, however the issue of animal welfare has suddenly dawned on racing administration that it or lack of, could be the issue that will bring down the entire industry. The fact DW or JM would not answer questions regarding a photo is damning in itself and the rules of racing here are clear. If you refuse a stewards directive, you are at risk of being stood down, then charged and that is exactly what has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 28 minutes ago, Mark D said: What they do have in common however is that they administer systems which are contrary to natural justice IMO They have nothing in common at all apart from they both use the name Racing Integrity, that’s as close as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: Mark, I know you guys don't have a gambling culture like we do over here, TABCORP released a statement on Friday evening in support of the stewards, scratching Weir's horses. You couldn't have horses running with supposition that one, several or all of them were "treated" earlier in the day....and that's what the Public perception may have been. TABCORP needed to take "may have" out of the equation. In addition, we know in NZ it plays a minor part, if any, however the issue of animal welfare has suddenly dawned on racing administration that it or lack of, could be the issue that will bring down the entire industry. The fact DW or JM would not answer questions regarding a photo is damning in itself and the rules of racing here are clear. If you refuse a stewards directive, you are at risk of being stood down, then charged and that is exactly what has happened. Irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I supposed that the issue may be indirectly a sop to animal rights activist (whose concerns I share on a number of issues eg whip use) and if it was a factor in their actions then it supports a view that it is a "show" put on for other purposes. The fact that DW or JM would not comment is entirely understandable given that they have already been charged and is entirely their right as it is in any fair justice system. The argument that their horses could have been "treated" earlier in the day (what two days after they were charged?) is bizarre and fanciful. Given the cost to the industry why didn't they put a couple of their stewards (or some neutral observers - the UN might be able to help) on site to ensure that this didn't occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Arsenic said: I’ve just watched on Racing Victoria.Com the head of Victoria Integrity Jamie Steir being interviewed regarding the Darren Weir affair , very upfront and explained exactly the situation as it is . Then New Zealand has its own Racing Integrity Unit of course run by one Michael Godber . The difference between the two administrators is lightyears apart Jamie Steir was a breath of fresh air . shame he didnt state what charges have been laid...can anyone enlighten me ...and what is the nature of the photo that he has apparently refused to answer questions about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I wish you blokes would do your research, hell Weasel there are 6 charges, they have been posted on so many news sites, and Mark, they were asked about the photos before they were charged, wouldn't answer, so they charged them....what is it you don't understand, they were a bloody racing stable with jiggers found, locked in a safe......you don't lock cow prods in a safe.......maybe you do, if you dont want them found.......if you're a horse trainer? have you got any jiggers? I bet not......so don't go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Well maybe they don't trust the Integrity boys. The rest is just evidence in the prosecution case before a trial in court. I haven't entered into the conversation to say who is right or wrong "merely" to say that racings justice system is not fair. Justice is not done by public opinion, establishment bias or anything else, it should be done by a fair and equitable system where the alleged perpretrators are assumed innocent till proven guilty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 fair enough, RM, I havent caught up with the media coverage since Friday. Silly me...but you say: they were a bloody racing stable with jiggers found, locked in a safe ... i didn't know (or read anywhere) that the jiggers were found locked in a safe .. how do you know that..can you recall/verify the source of this info please? Do you know anything about the photo he has so far chosen not to talk about ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mark D said: Well maybe they don't trust the Integrity boys. The rest is just evidence in the prosecution case before a trial in court. I haven't entered into the conversation to say who is right or wrong "merely" to say that racings justice system is not fair. Justice is not done by public opinion, establishment bias or anything else, it should be done by a fair and equitable system where the alleged perpretrators are assumed innocent till proven guilty. And you’re entitled to that opinion! This is BOAY after all, not RC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Weasel said: fair enough, RM, I havent caught up with the media coverage since Friday. Silly me...but you say: they were a bloody racing stable with jiggers found, locked in a safe ... i didn't know (or read anywhere) that the jiggers were found locked in a safe .. how do you know that..can you recall/verify the source of this info please? Do you know anything about the photo he has so far chosen not to talk about ... I’m out in the rain here in Brizzie. Weasel so can’t get you that, however the photo or image as it was referred to is mentioned in the RVL press release. If you go to Racing.com it’s all there, or racenet.com.au it will bring you up to speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: I’m out in the rain here in Brizzie. Weasel so can’t get you that, however the photo or image as it was referred to is mentioned in the RVL press release. If you go to Racing.com it’s all there, or racenet.com.au it will bring you up to speed. many thanks. Dont let the heat get ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Thanks, importantly we can’t forget that all evidence is alleged at this time. Guilty or innocent they will have their opportunity to defend tomorrow afternoon. The Press will be there in force! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Rowley Mile said: Thanks, importantly we can’t forget that all evidence is alleged at this time. Guilty or innocent they will have their opportunity to defend tomorrow afternoon. The Press will be there in force! absolutely right, mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I'm fine with the actions now that Weir has admitted "guilt" Andrew Bensley @AndrewBensley 10m10 minutes ago Here are details announced earlier this morning by @RacingInsider Stewards. Stewards will argue their case at the RAD Board hearing that Darren Weir should face a disqualification of four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 On 3/02/2019 at 10:12 AM, Weasel said: absolutely right, mate. Whilst Weir is a shot duck, his mate JM is fighting like a cornered street dog, I think he's not the sharpest knife in the draw, but it will be his legal team that has to get him out of this, Smerdon had the best in the business, and obviously under advice, Smerdon walked........I await in wonder who JM trots out as his legal eagle......bring it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rowley Mile said: Whilst Weir is a shot duck, his mate JM is fighting like a cornered street dog, I think he's not the sharpest knife in the draw, but it will be his legal team that has to get him out of this, Smerdon had the best in the business, and obviously under advice, Smerdon walked........I await in wonder who JM trots out as his legal eagle......bring it on. ..also keeping open-minded enough to accept the REASONABLE POSSIBILITY that Mr McLean did not know of the existence of the illegal apparatus on his property (which would explain why he is contesting the charges when Weir is not.) Aalso keeping in mind that the police will also be considering charges against both of them. Mr Kermond appears to have disappeared from media scrutiny in the meantime; what's the story there? Edited February 4, 2019 by Weasel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Rowley Mile said: JM is fighting like a cornered street dog, I think he's not the sharpest knife in the draw how would you go against jm in a spelling bee ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 No goood, that’s my Kiwi edumacation for you, dam that Mana Collidge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: No goood, that’s my Kiwi edumacation for you, dam that Mana Collidge What years at Mana were you , '74 - '77 for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 On 3/02/2019 at 11:34 AM, Rowley Mile said: Mark, I know you guys don't have a gambling culture like we do over here, TABCORP released a statement on Friday evening in support of the stewards, scratching Weir's horses. You couldn't have horses running with supposition that one, several or all of them were "treated" earlier in the day....and that's what the Public perception may have been. TABCORP needed to take "may have" out of the equation. In addition, we know in NZ it plays a minor part, if any, however the issue of animal welfare has suddenly dawned on racing administration that it or lack of, could be the issue that will bring down the entire industry. The fact DW or JM would not answer questions regarding a photo is damning in itself and the rules of racing here are clear. If you refuse a stewards directive, you are at risk of being stood down, then charged and that is exactly what has happened. You are so far off beam its not funny. TABCORP should never have got involved. Just having a gun you can't accuse the person of intent to murder. Therefore just having a jigger (we know nothing about its origin) doesn't mean its going to be used in a cruel way. TABCORP have directly accused Weir of cruelty. Where are the actual instances. If there were actual cruelty instances we would have heard of them by now. TABCORP should just have said they are dissappointed about scratchings as that affects their business. Weir was obviously advised not to answer questions as there is a police investigation which is standard procedure and an accepted right. Stewards should have realised that and not pressed the non cooperation charge. Look the guy has lost millions just by having three jiggers. He has not been given a fair hearing. How can he when police are still investigating. The racing authorities have not given any consideration to owners, workers and the flow on effects. Its the the Racing authorities by going about the whole episode in a guns blazing maniacal manner that has caused the greatest harm to racing. Workers won't want to get into the industry, as well as owners whilst banks will refrain from lending if the risks are there. For f***'s sake three bl**dy jiggers. Its cost him millions. And thats not enough for some. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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