GGees Posted December 29, 2025 Posted December 29, 2025 On 11/12/2025 at 8:12 AM, hesi said: It does seem that it has become endemic in NZ, lack of accountability that many perceive racing to have. I see the police have screwed up big time with this Jevan McSkimming character and the way the woman's complaint of him being a sexual predator was handled. Like everything, we will have a review, that will go on for ages, cost the taxpayer heaps, and nothing really ever changes, just how long till the next cock up. NZ racing had certainly had its share of lemons over the years. Andrew Brown, Chris Bayliss, John Allen. You can't deny that. Certainly is a concern in the public sector but its rife through a lot of industries. NZ racing as one currently as a prominent leader. Not a good look for racing and in particular NZTA. Quote
Murray Fish Posted December 30, 2025 Posted December 30, 2025 58 minutes ago, GGees said: Certainly is a concern in the public sector but its rife through a lot of industries. NZ racing as one currently as a prominent leader. Not a good look for racing and in particular NZTA. please explain? Quote
GGees Posted December 30, 2025 Posted December 30, 2025 1 hour ago, Murray Fish said: please explain? We need leaders with integrity and morals. 'We' meaning trainers, owners, employees and punters. Cull those who bring this industry into disrepute. Let them train but thats it, no senior roles or board membership. Simple. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted December 30, 2025 Posted December 30, 2025 6 minutes ago, GGees said: Cull those who bring this industry into disrepute. How broad is that brush? The industry tends to over react to some things and goes over and above the Court system. In my opinion that doesn't achieve anything except raising the bar higher than applies to society as a whole and creates unnecessary exposure and focus. At the end of the day that focus defeats the intent of having higher penalties. Australian racing relates better to its population because well they don't pretend to be any better than the rest of society. Quote
GGees Posted December 30, 2025 Posted December 30, 2025 17 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: How broad is that brush? I've mentioned where to start. However any position of power, leadership or voice for the industry. Retention and recruitment are critical, as the police are finding out. Quote
hesi Posted December 30, 2025 Posted December 30, 2025 Maybe a sign of what you are talking about, but no horse racing people in the 2026 Honours list and only one last year, Terry Campbell, long time president at the Taupo RC Quote
Murray Fish Posted December 30, 2025 Posted December 30, 2025 18 hours ago, GGees said: Cull those who bring this industry into disrepute. Let them train but thats it, no senior roles or board membership. Simple. some names spring to mind? Quote
Huey Posted December 31, 2025 Posted December 31, 2025 22 hours ago, GGees said: We need leaders with integrity and morals. 'We' meaning trainers, owners, employees and punters. Cull those who bring this industry into disrepute. Let them train but thats it, no senior roles or board membership. Simple. Nothing is simple , never happen . Quote
Huey Posted December 31, 2025 Posted December 31, 2025 22 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: How broad is that brush? The industry tends to over react to some things and goes over and above the Court system. In my opinion that doesn't achieve anything except raising the bar higher than applies to society as a whole and creates unnecessary exposure and focus. At the end of the day that focus defeats the intent of having higher penalties. Australian racing relates better to its population because well they don't pretend to be any better than the rest of society. What does the industry over react to? Quote
GGees Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago On 12/31/2025 at 8:37 AM, Murray Fish said: some names spring to mind? https://www.theoptimist.site/chairman-george-puts-both-feet-in-mouth-simultaneously/ Unfortunately Brian won't publish all the comments on this article, only those that favour his narrative. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 41 minutes ago, GGees said: https://www.theoptimist.site/chairman-george-puts-both-feet-in-mouth-simultaneously/ Unfortunately Brian won't publish all the comments on this article, only those that favour his narrative. FFS that was August 2021!!! Quote
Muzza Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: FFS that was August 2021!!! Maybe so but it still illustrates the calibre of our highly esteemed leaders. Quote
hesi Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago You have to admit that Cameron George is very good at talking a lot and saying nothing. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 21 minutes ago, hesi said: You have to admit that Cameron George is very good at talking a lot and saying nothing. Perhaps. But I first met him at the local in Wellington (Lovelocks) when he was Chief Stipe for the RIU. He was a reasonable guy to talk to and I don't think he was a bad stipe. Where he went after that I'm not so sure. But isn't that a reflection of NZ Board management? Quote
hesi Posted 55 minutes ago Posted 55 minutes ago 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Perhaps. But I first met him when he was Chief Stipe at the local in Wellington (Lovelocks). He was a reasonable guy to talk to and I don't think he was a bad stipe. Where he went after that I'm not so sure. But isn't that a reflection of NZ Board management? Come on CS, the guy has the gift of the gab. Listen to him comment on the Warriors, he talks and talks and talks, very eloquently, but says very little. Unfortunately our much heralded All Black coach, who everyone thought would be our saviour, including me, is showing himself to be in the same camp. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 28 minutes ago Posted 28 minutes ago 19 minutes ago, hesi said: Come on CS, the guy has the gift of the gab. Listen to him comment on the Warriors, he talks and talks and talks, very eloquently, but says very little. There are a lot of people that do that. But I'm just speaking from personal experience. I asked him some hard questions over a beer and he was straight up. A lot of these people are constrained by Corporate Rules and the media speak is orchestrated. Geez you only have to watch the aftermath of a formula one grand prix to see that. His heart is in it. He doesn't care what social meda says and The Warriors would be a lot harder gig than Chief Stipe. 25 minutes ago, hesi said: Unfortunately our much heralded All Black coach, who everyone thought would be our saviour, including me, is showing himself to be in the same camp. Again I disagree. His Crusader record as a player AND Coach is second to none. The only mistake he has made is not to dump a few players that should have gone under the previous regime. Please don't ask me who they should be! Quote
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