Levin Surplus to Requirements

[Huey]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

A myth.  What specific rules stop Clubs from generating enough revenue from their assets to enable them to maintain them?

No rules are most clubs are giving it a go , what you fail to understand though is the importance of race dates for clubs , most everything flows from there , you'd understand better with a bit of experience on a committee.

You cannot ascertain a proper analysis in club land without understanding how it all works. If yuoure in the NZTR club you have every opportunity to suceed , if youre not then your part of the agenda driven plan to ensure its made as difficult as possible for your club to suceed.

You cannot get a good understanding of the system just by reading Financial Statements , its a far deeper situation than that.

TBH I don't think you will ever understand it unless youre actually involved in it, you need to open your mind more @Chief Stipe .

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Are you saying the likes of Reefton should get 12 racing dates a year so they can be profitable?

They most certainly should have access to some race dates like alot of other clubs do ... absolutely ... why not?

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

 The way I see it there is a negative group (getting smaller) in racing that are feeding off myth, consipiracy and misinformation.  To make it worse they are wallowing in nostalgia about how it used to be.  

I agree, but I do not hold this against you. You just do not know , so of course youre going to jump on the misinformation band wagon when thats all you know about.

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, Huey said:

No rules are most clubs are giving it a go , what you fail to understand though is the importance of race dates for clubs , most everything flows from there , you'd understand better with a bit of experience on a committee.

So what Clubs are inhibited by race dates?  I'm not sure you understand wagering.

20 minutes ago, Huey said:

They most certainly should have access to some race dates like alot of other clubs do ... absolutely ... why not?

it wouldn't be of value to the industry as a whole and the Reefton track couldn't sustain 12 race days.

21 minutes ago, Huey said:

I agree, but I do not hold this against you. You just do not know , so of course youre going to jump on the misinformation band wagon when thats all you know about.

@Huey you keep saying I don't know but you never post anything factual or of substance.  Just anecdotal and generalised.  At least the financial accounts of each Club give some facts.  Unless Clubs are deriving revenue from other activities than just racedays they are not earning enough to maintain their assets.  That's an immutable fact.

 

22 minutes ago, Huey said:

If yuoure in the NZTR club you have every opportunity to suceed , if youre not then your part of the agenda driven plan to ensure its made as difficult as possible for your club to suceed.

What Club?  Provide some evidence about the "NZTR Club" you refer to.  Is this your mythical mafia?  Provides some facts!!!  

[hesi]

16 hours ago, Dark Beau said:

True, but things change and being fair to all, one site now stands head and shoulders above the others, at least based on traffic although I must say that this thread has excelled 😂

If it stands head and shoulders above the rest, why the need for it to regularly copy from this site, news items of interest that CS researches out.

 

 

[Murray Fish]

33 minutes ago, hesi said:

If it stands head and shoulders above the rest,

pardon!

 

33 minutes ago, hesi said:

why the need for it to regularly copy from this site, news items of interest that CS researches out.

lack of 'site iq'? lack of users making the effort?

how would #'s stack up say now? and back say 05/10?  I recall quiz's I ran back then use to get 1000's or reads etc..  lol,  I presume that like the total numbers involved in sites has shrunk like the pool of punters?

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

how would #'s stack up say now? and back say 05/10?  I recall quiz's I ran back then use to get 1000's or reads etc..  lol,  I presume that like the total numbers involved in sites has shrunk like the pool of punters?

Yes it has.  Most social media has declined in numbers.  Mainly because they get hijacked by groups with one agenda and then they coalesce together into a back slapping morass.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, hesi said:

If it stands head and shoulders above the rest, why the need for it to regularly copy from this site, news items of interest that CS researches out.

If it is a one horse town here then how does @Comic Dog explain the need to bag @hesi .  Although I guess BOAY could be a one horse town with one lap dog and one fish ( @Murray Fish ).

[hesi]

22 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

If it is a one horse town here then how does @Comic Dog explain the need to bag @hesi .  Although I guess BOAY could be a one horse town with one lap dog and one fish ( @Murray Fish ).

Starts with F and rhymes with IT

[hesi]

36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

If it is a one horse town here then how does @Comic Dog explain the need to bag @hesi .  Although I guess BOAY could be a one horse town with one lap dog and one fish ( @Murray Fish ).

And yes, the need to go into people's accounts and change names, what a prick.  And some people think he is wonderful🙄

[Dark Beau]

6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Finally you get it.  However I suspect you think that there was some other magical way of finding the capital to maintain or restore the core racing assets.  Where was the cash coming from?  The taxpayer?

The cash is, was, has been there, except it was spent in every which way, except where some of it definitely should have been, and by that I mean the facilities and tracks.

Now it's all come home to roost.

[Dark Beau]

6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

No Levin only have $1.2m in the bank.  The irony of course is that cash came from selling off a large chunk of land.  Then there was some creative accounting involving the three Trusts.   The sums involved jumped between cash in the bank and Trust loans.

Operationally they run at a loss.  Even though they pay a peppercorn rental for the use of Otaki on raceday. 

Levin has done the exact same thing that you all point the finger at other clubs for doing.  Yes Levin has done a wonderful job at providing a jumpout venue.

Thank you for your last comment.

As an owner with a horse or two there nearly every time they run them, I certainly appreciate what they are doing and it certainly helps to offset all the other crap that we are currently having to put up with in the CD.

 

[Dark Beau]

2 hours ago, hesi said:

If it stands head and shoulders above the rest, why the need for it to regularly copy from this site, news items of interest that CS researches out.

 

 

I didn't know that it did.

I only pop over here now and again to see if anything is worth getting involved with.

As you can see this thread has attracted plenty so Iv'e thrown my five pence worth in.

But as always the Chief can't help himself such as his stupid comment/question asking me if I am running a raffle to fix the electronic timing at Trentham.

I rest my case.

 

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, Dark Beau said:

Thank you for your last comment.

As an owner with a horse or two there nearly every time they run them, I certainly appreciate what they are doing and it certainly helps to offset all the other crap that we are currently having to put up with in the CD.

My posts are not meant to be critical of the Levin Racing Club.  Their provision of Jump Outs are excellent for the CD.  However I do tire of hearing inaccuracies about their wealth and profitability.  Trentham is decried for sell land whereas Levin is applauded (or overlooked).  My long held opinion is that the CD Clubs needed to get round the table and thrash out plan to make racing profitable and sustainable.  

Many people will deride my next comment but...

RACE wasn't a bad idea - it was a good idea but unfortunately it needed every Club to co-operate and didn't need some of the management stuff up's it had.  Now we have a situation where everyone is entrenched in the fiefdom's and fighting every shadow.  You now have a situation where multiple Clubs are selling off land to pay their way.  The end result will be the capital will be pissed against the wall or fund operational expenses and some sizeable chunks of land could have been used or traded to create a profitable centre for racing.  The way things are heading there won't be any racing left!

We can get all nostalgic about the past but the Club model doesn't assist the running of a profitable business when the volunteers disappear and the donations stop.

CD racing has some of the best assets in the country - but there is a reall possibility that they will lose them all.

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, Dark Beau said:

But as always the Chief can't help himself such as his stupid comment/question asking me if I am running a raffle to fix the electronic timing at Trentham.

It is a valid question.  For nearly four years the timing has been hand held!  Not to mention the photo finish issues.  If there isn't enough money in the kitty to fix those fundamental issues then maybe a cake stall would help!

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, Dark Beau said:

The cash is, was, has been there, except it was spent in every which way, except where some of it definitely should have been, and by that I mean the facilities and tracks.

Now it's all come home to roost.

Agree.  You can't blame NZTR for that.

[Murray Fish]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yes it has.  Most social media has declined in numbers. 

after that 05/10 date,  the arrival of Facebook spurred various Racing related groups etc..  2/3 still have solid daily action.  The CWJ fanpage, it had solid daily usage, thankfully it took very little technical time and 99% were polite!

 

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

then they coalesce together into a back slapping morass.

lol, is that connected  to @TAB For Ever  Tight five!!!

[Huey]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

My posts are not meant to be critical of the Levin Racing Club.  Their provision of Jump Outs are excellent for the CD.  However I do tire of hearing inaccuracies about their wealth and profitability.  Trentham is decried for sell land whereas Levin is applauded (or overlooked).  My long held opinion is that the CD Clubs needed to get round the table and thrash out plan to make racing profitable and sustainable.  

Many people will deride my next comment but...

RACE wasn't a bad idea - it was a good idea but unfortunately it needed every Club to co-operate and didn't need some of the management stuff up's it had.  Now we have a situation where everyone is entrenched in the fiefdom's and fighting every shadow.  You now have a situation where multiple Clubs are selling off land to pay their way.  The end result will be the capital will be pissed against the wall or fund operational expenses and some sizeable chunks of land could have been used or traded to create a profitable centre for racing.  The way things are heading there won't be any racing left!

We can get all nostalgic about the past but the Club model doesn't assist the running of a profitable business when the volunteers disappear and the donations stop.

CD racing has some of the best assets in the country - but there is a reall possibility that they will lose them all.

Agree with some of what youre saying . But the real problem in racing has always been around 'self interest' , the right decisions have never been able to be made due to self interest. Successive administrations have therefore been agenda driven instead of strategically driven , despite all the flashy documents and media they put out its all been fairytale stuff that must align with an agenda instead of an actual strategy for the growth in racings case survival of the sport.

That unfortunately will never change and the sport will suffer the ultimate consequences for that.

[Murray Fish]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

and one fish ( @Murray Fish )

And!  I have gone and broken that golden rule of 'never actually joining any group that would have me!!!',..
ps. sigh, having previously lived in HK, Lon, NY, amongst other places! I recon sometimes! smaller can have its simple joys!   As ever in the modern digital world! maturity is needed! especially so if a health polemic is in play! KennyRog knew!  "know when to hold them, know when to fold them! know when to walk away..."  

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

lol, is that connected  to @TAB For Ever  Tight five!!!

Na.  @TAB For Ever was his own man.  Never in any "Tight five"!  Just extremely passionate about horse racing - both codes.  Great sense of humour too.

[Murray Fish]

3 hours ago, hesi said:

And yes, the need to go into people's accounts and change names, what a prick.  And some people think he is wonderful🙄

sigh, of course, there is a toxic back story to all that, all involving other  'wonderful's'...  

[Dark Beau]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Agree.  You can't blame NZTR for that.

I disagree.

[curious]

1 minute ago, Dark Beau said:

I disagree.

I disagree too. The allocation of bulk funding to clubs has been entirely their responsibility.

[hesi]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

Agree with some of what youre saying . But the real problem in racing has always been around 'self interest' , the right decisions have never been able to be made due to self interest. Successive administrations have therefore been agenda driven instead of strategically driven , despite all the flashy documents and media they put out its all been fairytale stuff that must align with an agenda instead of an actual strategy for the growth in racings case survival of the sport.

That unfortunately will never change and the sport will suffer the ultimate consequences for that.

Self interest and parochialism is across the whole industry not just in the administration of it