Is the photo finish broken in the Mufthasa?

[Chief Stipe]

On 6/12/2025 at 10:27 PM, Wingman said:

We can sort out the accountability, that you take a cheap dig at me (I noticed not a peep on my accountability post from you ) next week when the facts should be revealed.

Really?  It wasn't YOUR post - you copied someone else's missive.  It is laughable that the NZTBA should NOW be seeking accountability.  Where have they been for the last 25 years while the issues we now face started to develop?

Quite frankly my brief interaction 20 years ago with the CD branch of the NZTBA did nothing to impress me.  I will respond to your copied post in due course.

[Bill]

1 hour ago, Thomass said:

Haha loving the .0 L as well

So Oatham on Weigh In yesterday says "human error"

How does the finishlynx work...Judge presses a button to activate before each race...or shirley in this day and age...AUTOMATIC??

https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/english/learn-racing/photo-finish.aspx

 

somone still has to press a button to capture the image…just like using your phone to take a photo…pressing a button

[Wingman]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Really?  It wasn't YOUR post - you copied someone else's missive. 

It was my post. Read it again you champion copier. I make my comments then put in the last third of NZTBA CEO comments. Regarding your comment re not being impressed with your interaction with CD branch 20 years ago, I thought you would know better than focusing on 'form' that dated😅

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, Bill said:

https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/english/learn-racing/photo-finish.aspx

 

somone still has to press a button to capture the image…just like using your phone to take a photo…pressing a button

That's not entirely correct.  A properly installed Lynx camera system will receive a signal from the same button that opens the gates which also initiates the electronic timing.  That's the recommended option which also offers accurate timing for the entire race.   Or a movement sensor (another camera) placed a short distance from the finish line which starts the main finish camera.  However there is a manual option which involves someone pressing a button but that would be the least reliable option I would imagine.  Are you suggesting that the camera installed has a manual button?

 

[Chief Stipe]

21 minutes ago, Wingman said:

It was my post. Read it again you champion copier. I make my comments then put in the last third of NZTBA CEO comments. Regarding your comment re not being impressed with your interaction with CD branch 20 years ago, I thought you would know better than focusing on 'form' that dated😅

As I said what has the NZTBA done in the last 25 years?  

[Bill]

30 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's not entirely correct.  A properly installed Lynx camera system will receive a signal from the same button that opens the gates which also initiates the electronic timing.  That's the recommended option which also offers accurate timing for the entire race.   Or a movement sensor (another camera) placed a short distance from the finish line which starts the main finish camera.  However there is a manual option which involves someone pressing a button but that would be the least reliable option I would imagine.  Are you suggesting that the camera installed has a manual button?

 

Are you going to argue with the HKJC?

I witnessed the photofinish at Ellerslie a few years  ago…someone presses a button the capture the photo…100%

[Bill]

5 minutes ago, Bill said:

Are you going to argue with the HKJC?

I witnessed the photofinish at Ellerslie a few years  ago…someone presses a button the capture the photo…100%

 

[Thomass]

30 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's not entirely correct.  A properly installed Lynx camera system will receive a signal from the same button that opens the gates which also initiates the electronic timing.  That's the recommended option which also offers accurate timing for the entire race.   Or a movement sensor (another camera) placed a short distance from the finish line which starts the main finish camera.  However there is a manual option which involves someone pressing a button but that would be the least reliable option I would imagine.  Are you suggesting that the camera installed has a manual button?

 

Very good 'learnings' as the younguns say

SO when Oatham admits to "human error" it would appear a button presser or the home help was out to the imbibing free lunch and was as pickled as an olive in Sinbad's oil?

Shirley a head should role for screwing up a Group 1 race four chuck stakes??

Where's the accountability?

Remember the Pukekohe meeting last year when poor sweet pea Marsh's neddy was the subject of a Sunday Star Times article courtesy of Bazza Lichter??

The timer help had a massive argument with the 'judge' according to Bazzo and the RIB brushed it away as if it was a minor mozzy bite!!!

FFS x 2

[Bill]

4 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Very good 'learnings' as the younguns say

SO when Oatham admits to "human error" it would appear a button presser or the home help was out to the imbibing free lunch and was as pickled as an olive in Sinbad's oil?

Shirley a head should role for screwing up a Group 1 race four chuck stakes??

Where's the accountability?

Remember the Pukekohe meeting last year when poor sweet pea Marsh's neddy was the subject of a Sunday Star Times article courtesy of Bazza Lichter??

The timer help had a massive argument with the 'judge' according to Bazzo and the RIB brushed it away as if it was a minor mozzy bite!!!

FFS x 2

NZ racing would be to budget to get the automatic capture eye…these cameras cost upwards for NZ$30k

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Bill said:

Are you going to argue with the HKJC?

I witnessed the photofinish at Ellerslie a few years  ago…someone presses a button the capture the photo…100%

FFS I'm not arguing I actually said the manual activation of the camera by a Judge is one option but NOT the recommended option!!  There are two other automatic options.  I watched the HKJC video you posted and I must have missed where they said "they pressed a button"!  

So I gather you are suggesting that the Judge forgot to press the button?  Are there technical reasons for not using an auto activation feature?  

Ellerslie have recently installed the TripleSData system (when they built the new track) which can include a photo finish system.  My understanding is that it is auto activated.  Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

[Chief Stipe]

20 minutes ago, Bill said:

 

So NZTR didn't buy the Automatic Capture Mode (ACM)?  The manual you are quoting from is for the athletics system not racing.  However that system does have a motion sensor which activates the camer recording.  As you point out the most expensive parts of the system are the cameras because the record images at very very high frame rates e.g. 1,000 to 20,000 (or more) frames per second.  The standard TV programme is broadcast at 25 fps by comparison - hence the inaccuracy of using a video recording to determine who won.  

The Trackside cameras do record in HD 4k but the frame rate will unlikely to be much higher than 60fps.
 

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, Bill said:

NZ racing would be to budget to get the automatic capture eye…these cameras cost upwards for NZ$30k

The biggest cost is the cameras - the automatic caputure plugin is a very small cost in comparison.

[Huey]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Incorrect. So @Huey and @Freda can take their likes back.  It wasn't a camera malfunction at the Breeders Cup.  Just the first time that in a major race the photo finish showed an actual deadheat.  The technology they were using WAS modern to the extent that it was believed that an actual deadheat was impossible.  So they spent 13 minutes deliberating over a number of photos.
 

There were other things to complain about however the fact is the photo finish camera AND the electronic timing have been problematic at Trentham for over THREE years now.  If we can't get those key pieces of infrastructure working correctly on a Group 1 day or any raceday for that matter then the sport is still stuck in amateur mode.  

It just amazes me how you CD guys are so duplicitous - you bag or promote certain tracks and then turn a blind eye to others.  Seems Trentham is a protected species which of all ironies fits into @Huey and @Freda view of the world.

 

They are all a protected species to me, like your idol I believe we need every track we can get, that's been proven countless times year after year in this industry.

I'm also not confident a bunch of fly by nighters are the right people to be telling the industry which tracks should stay and which should go, not to mention the governing body should never be given the opportunity to spend a $ of the industry money they've proven that over and over again, should any of these ... it will be nothing short of  a disaster.

Fools involved in the disaster that is Awapuni, millions on an IT system that never got off the ground they make the Green Party look good!

[Wingman]

23 minutes ago, Huey said:

The technology they were using WAS modern to the extent that it was believed that an actual deadheat was impossible. 

Well they would say that wouldn't they. Can't have state of the art equipment failing. As to you CS, if I put you in a clean, empty cupboard you would start an argument with yourself as to whether the cupboard had been cleaned by a broom or a brush. boom boom.

[Chief Stipe]

15 minutes ago, Wingman said:

Well they would say that wouldn't they. Can't have state of the art equipment failing. As to you CS, if I put you in a clean, empty cupboard you would start an argument with yourself as to whether the cupboard had been cleaned by a broom or a brush. boom boom.

Bullshit.  The fact is Trentham's timing and photo finish systems have been a mess for years now.  

So you are identifying @Wingman as a broom or a brush? 

[Chief Stipe]

45 minutes ago, Huey said:

They are all a protected species to me, like your idol I believe we need every track we can get, that's been proven countless times year after year in this industry.

You can't have it both ways @Huey on the one hand through your doom and gloom glasses you are telling us the breeding industry in stuffed, owners are leaving in droves and now you want ALL the tracks to presumably race no horses on.  I realise these are difficult concepts for you to grasp.  Although in saying that you talk in generalisations and anectdotes rather than present any data.

[Huey]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

You can't have it both ways @Huey on the one hand through your doom and gloom glasses you are telling us the breeding industry in stuffed, owners are leaving in droves and now you want ALL the tracks to presumably race no horses on.  I realise these are difficult concepts for you to grasp.  Although in saying that you talk in generalisations and anectdotes rather than present any data.

No you can't have it both ways ,but you certainly can't have it the wrong way ...which is exactly where this is heading. 

[Murray Fish]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The fact is Trentham's timing and photo finish systems have been a mess for years now.  

I recall a World Record in the Telegraph one year! The joke was that 'old bill' (forget who the person was) had yet again been slow clicking the start button!

[Chief Stipe]

56 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

I recall a World Record in the Telegraph one year! The joke was that 'old bill' (forget who the person was) had yet again been slow clicking the start button!

I think you will find it happened the last two seasons.  Hand timed on the day and then corrected by viewing the video which isn't entirely accurate.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

No you can't have it both ways ,but you certainly can't have it the wrong way ...which is exactly where this is heading. 

Blah blah.  Luckily you haven't right about much to date.