1700m Starts Ashburton Tomorrow?

[the galah]

4 hours ago, Gammalite said:

and yet you talk about them like Brodie these days . that they're all rubbish and should be shut down with so few horse left racing ?? they're all due for retirement . They've all Served the industry THEIR WHole Lives and at the Very Top level .  I've seen Barry winning Miracle Miles even lol. Yet this site Shows NO APPRECIATION of their magnificent achievements and wants them shown the door ? because the South Island is Better quality racing ? lol. 😅😉

a lovely send off for the absolute world champions of the sport. piss off Tony H. south Island is better. they still have standing starts and 15 horse fields . what quality that is for modern times lol. 😂  no room for you old mate .😁  sorry Galah , just a bit of 'Gamma' sarcasm to try and be cheery lol😋

 

i don't mind a bit of sarcasm. .

only thing is,you have said many times that you belive the first pararaph.

you are consistent.Always,focusing on the desparate plight of harness racings rich and famous,worried about where they may get their next meal from if the north island stakes were to be cut, or hrnz was to say,no more 5 horse fields. You've got me feeling sorry for them as well. I will put in a kind word if is see them at the foodbank next week and will drop and email to brad steele and voice my support for more 3 horse fields and 50,000 series,whatever they call them. 

theres my bit of sarcasm.

i'll be honest like you gamma. 

i don't give a second thought to just how tough it could be for harness racings  rich and famous. Why. Because they are rich and famous.

i care far more about the battlers and the small timers who have also spent their lifetimes dedicated to the same industry and haven't the wealth or had success to any great level,but kept plugging away because of their love for the sport and the horse.

4 hours ago, Gammalite said:

good on ATC still putting stuff on for those wonderful horsemen I say. should be applauded. 

 

 

yeah,great stuff ATC. eroding their asset base by half a million a month for the last couple of years is something to really applaud. Well done ATC.

Oh and well done cambridge.they know how to dig themselves into a huge financial hole as well. Well done to them.

And well done hrnz. You know how to pick the best run clubs to throw the industries financial resources at. Come in atc and cambridge. 

Edited yesterday at 07:49 AM by the galah

[Gammalite]

44 minutes ago, the galah said:

i don't give a second thought to just how tough it could be for harness racings  rich and famous. Why. Because they are rich and famous.

i care far more about the battlers and the small timers who have also spent their lifetimes dedicated to the same industry and haven't the wealth or had success to any great level,but kept plugging away because of their love for the sport and the horse.

I know what you're saying. But really with the money they pour in (buying yearlings and that ) I can only support the rich and famous , as much as the battler. I hope they all get a win in the end. not many of them actually return a profit in the end , but have fun racing a few . afterall it is a sport and is about enjoyment as well as money.

The quality of the horsepeople in the Nrth Island is off the scale high. Only a small band left and people like Tony Herlihy are the most humble wonderful people I have ever met. I am glad they put races on for him still in his twilight years . sure they're not battlers (any of those trainers left) but HOW good For the Sport have they been Over the years.

Just amazing really. I love watching the NZ trotting still, and those bloes. Probably the saddest silly thing I do is seeing how you have given up on em' (after being really supportive up to a couple of years ago ) but Brodster has weakened you into his Bag everyone (ATC, Entain, HRNZ, North Island ) narrative , when really the product being produced is >

STILL WORLD CLASS , and you can't see it . Bring on the next Cambridge night of Champions I say !! who doesn't love seeing the best go round ?  everyone except me it seems lol 😅😂🤣  never mind. we all have faults lol. 

[Brodie]

30 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

I know what you're saying. But really with the money they pour in (buying yearlings and that ) I can only support the rich and famous , as much as the battler. I hope they all get a win in the end. not many of them actually return a profit in the end , but have fun racing a few . afterall it is a sport and is about enjoyment as well as money.

The quality of the horsepeople in the Nrth Island is off the scale high. Only a small band left and people like Tony Herlihy are the most humble wonderful people I have ever met. I am glad they put races on for him still in his twilight years . sure they're not battlers (any of those trainers left) but HOW good For the Sport have they been Over the years.

Just amazing really. I love watching the NZ trotting still, and those bloes. Probably the saddest silly thing I do is seeing how you have given up on em' (after being really supportive up to a couple of years ago ) but Brodster has weakened you into his Bag everyone (ATC, Entain, HRNZ, North Island ) narrative , when really the product being produced is >

STILL WORLD CLASS , and you can't see it . Bring on the next Cambridge night of Champions I say !! who doesn't love seeing the best go round ?  everyone except me it seems lol 😅😂🤣  never mind. we all have faults lol. 

Gamma, to be fair I do not believe that there would be too many harness enthusiasts that would be happy with the decisions that have been made by the four parties you mentioned?

Brodie is just pointing out fact, that you could not defend!

ATC, absolute incompetency

Entain, self interest only and will pull the plug in 2 years, racing profit not what they require and poor decisions being made. 

HRNZ, no comment needed

North Island harness - cot case!

Gamma, all very sad but just the reality, snd things need to change for the sake of the long term racing.

Hopefully I am totally wrong but I havent spoken to a single person who thinks things are going in the right direction.

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Brodie

[the galah]

39 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

I know what you're saying. But really with the money they pour in (buying yearlings and that ) I can only support the rich and famous , as much as the battler. I hope they all get a win in the end. not many of them actually return a profit in the end , but have fun racing a few . afterall it is a sport and is about enjoyment as well as money.

The quality of the horsepeople in the Nrth Island is off the scale high. Only a small band left and people like Tony Herlihy are the most humble wonderful people I have ever met. I am glad they put races on for him still in his twilight years . sure they're not battlers (any of those trainers left) but HOW good For the Sport have they been Over the years.

Just amazing really. I love watching the NZ trotting still, and those bloes. Probably the saddest silly thing I do is seeing how you have given up on em' (after being really supportive up to a couple of years ago ) but Brodster has weakened you into his Bag everyone (ATC, Entain, HRNZ, North Island ) narrative , when really the product being produced is >

STILL WORLD CLASS , and you can't see it . Bring on the next Cambridge night of Champions I say !! who doesn't love seeing the best go round ?  everyone except me it seems lol 😅😂🤣  never mind. we all have faults lol. 

i bag hrnz's current financial management team.

i was once in a co-op and it used to be well run.Then people in charge changed,others retired and things started going off the rails.So i spoke up at meetings and pointed out some obvious truths about finacial matters. e.g. i wanted them to put systems in place to ensure every $ was accounted for,in particular around honesty.. management said,what are you on about . I said,why can't you do the maths at  meetings . in the end i got tired of it,,so just made sure the office  credited my account with every last $ i was due. .Well ,guess what,turned out i was right and the company eventually admitted  $100,000 of shareholders money went into the ether.i was the only one not effected .That is differetn to anything hrnz is doing,no dishonesty at hrnz i assume,,but the same in that sometimes things are  pretty obvious. But people always choose to see only what benefits themselves short term  and ignore the  self harm they are doing by refusing to listen to common sense voices. What i learnt was,well all you can do is put your opinion forward ,but it doesn't change that people always prioritise self interest.

its just the way the world works.

harness racings no different. everyone is just trying to do whats best for themselves. But hrnz leadership should be there to do whats best for everyone,not whats best for their mates and the people or clubs who have the influence.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

12 minutes ago, the galah said:

but the same in that sometimes things are  pretty obvious. But people always choose to see only what benefits themselves short term  and ignore the  self harm they are doing by refusing to listen to common sense voices. What i learnt was,well all you can do is put your opinion forward ,but it doesn't change that people always prioritise self interest.

its just the way the world works.

I spose you're right , but companies All look to try and grab as many self interest bucks they can, and Exactly as you say , that's how the world Works.

I find the last 3 years harness racing quite entertaining (Nz harness) I guess because of the New races and the Aussie involvement which has been outstanding. You got to see Swayzee and Just Believe and Keayang Zahara. some of the best ever. has been fabulous to say the least. 

but I was happy for the locals too, and to see the Golden Gait series at Auckland past 2 years, and those $60k races the other day for under $5,000 fee stallions , Run and Won by your 'Battlers' too at Ashburton !!  but you guys Still weren't happy with HRNZ doing that?.  So I guess that prioritized Self Interest somehow as well. Oh well . At least they tried to look after the Battler. was a good days racing and many not Rich and Famous got a quid. so it worked fine. kiwi Ingenuity strikes again. 

[PeterLambFan]

38 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Gamma, to be fair I do not believe that there would be too many harness enthusiasts that would be happy with the decisions that have been made by the four parties you mentioned?

Brodie is just pointing out fact, that you could not defend!

ATC, absolute incompetency

Entain, self interest only and will pull the plug in 2 years, racing profit not what they require and poor decisions being made. 

HRNZ, no comment needed

North Island harness - cot case!

Gamma, all very sad but just the reality, snd things need to change for the sake of the long term racing.

Hopefully I am totally wrong but I havent spoken to a single person who thinks things are going in the right direction.

 

 

5) The out the gate boys were allowed on for whatever amount they want and are now in profit land. 

[the galah]

12 hours ago, Gammalite said:

I spose you're right , but companies All look to try and grab as many self interest bucks they can, and Exactly as you say , that's how the world Works.

I find the last 3 years harness racing quite entertaining (Nz harness) I guess because of the New races and the Aussie involvement which has been outstanding. You got to see Swayzee and Just Believe and Keayang Zahara. some of the best ever. has been fabulous to say the least. 

but I was happy for the locals too, and to see the Golden Gait series at Auckland past 2 years, and those $60k races the other day for under $5,000 fee stallions , Run and Won by your 'Battlers' too at Ashburton !!  but you guys Still weren't happy with HRNZ doing that?.  So I guess that prioritized Self Interest somehow as well. Oh well . At least they tried to look after the Battler. was a good days racing and many not Rich and Famous got a quid. so it worked fine. kiwi Ingenuity strikes again. 

if we thought hrnz could afford to sustain the level of stakes funding ,then you would only have discussion about where that funding is best directed.

in other words we can debate whether hrnz  directing  funding to x or y is approprate,but at least its going to people within the industry,either way.

however,most don't belive hrnz can sustain the level of stakes and are significantly overspending,therefore that will result in both the x and y sectors of the industry being impacted for the worse.

gamma,when you comment on who should get funding,your commenting on the first part and of course that ultimately comes down to opinions and the difference in opinions is fair enough,but you never seem to place much focus on the second part of what 've said.

the second part will always be the most significvant for everyone long term.

because funding priorities can change if you have the money to fund them,but funding priorities won't exist if the funds are no longer there and things will revert back to bare minimum and survival mode.If that happens then there will be a far greater outcry against everyone involved in thecurrent  decision making. 

[Gammalite]

5 hours ago, the galah said:

gamma,when you comment on who should get funding,your commenting on the first part and of course that ultimately comes down to opinions and the difference in opinions is fair enough,but you never seem to place much focus on the second part of what 've said.

the second part will always be the most significvant for everyone long term.

because funding priorities can change if you have the money to fund them,but funding priorities won't exist if the funds are no longer there and things will revert back to bare minimum and survival mode.If that happens then there will be a far greater outcry against everyone involved in thecurrent  decision making. 

you and Brodie forget the Major thing . Just like any Government or education funding or roads funding or medical funding ,with The Funding  , x-amount is allocated each season / year to use. this is common for most companies needing funding. they have an annual budget. They have to use the allocation per year for operational costs as part of the calculated set up of a season of racing. it doesn't carry over if you Don't Use/allocate it. normal business . 

It is noble that you and Brodie worry about what is happening in the future years, at the end of the initial 5 year period where you're terrified ENTAIN are going to run off into the sunset . They won't IMO .  Of course the amount funded could be less , as what happens time to time , just like with company sponsorships. and the racing could well be for much LESS Prizemoney as you are predicting .It's  just the state of the sport these days. less interest in it than 20 years ago or even 10 years ago.  less interest over time=less money invested. normal business acumen again. 

The Current decision making , whether be Ladbrokes (a ENTAIN subsidiary in QLD), or  ENTAIN in NZ you guys never stop OUT CRYING their performance is poor , when without them,  the Harness racing would be near FINISHED without their great support in recent years ? . We in fact have even better carnivals and racing recent times ,all around NZ for great prizemoney 

I'll give you an example. Victoria Harness is running at a seasonal loss each season last few years. Harness racing is just not a popular sport anymore.  So they recently got Gov funding to keep going until the end of next year 2027 season. All the $44 million extra funding given will have to be used this year and next. it is to support the 2026 and the 2027 seasons.  there are a lot of tracks and racing in Victoria . more than NZ these days. but They can't keep it (the extra funding) for future times ). It doesn't work like that. funding , as always is for Specific Time Periods. normal business acumen. will be back at running a loss after 2027 , so new plans will be made prior. 

  Funding is seasonal. it's almost calculated to the dollar across however many race meetings there are in a year. 

Enjoy the Great racing while you can then !! before all the changes and cuts.   

 

[Brodie]

51 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

you and Brodie forget the Major thing . Just like any Government or education funding or roads funding or medical funding ,with The Funding  , x-amount is allocated each season / year to use. this is common for most companies needing funding. they have an annual budget. They have to use the allocation per year for operational costs as part of the calculated set up of a season of racing. it doesn't carry over if you Don't Use/allocate it. normal business . 

It is noble that you and Brodie worry about what is happening in the future years, at the end of the initial 5 year period where you're terrified ENTAIN are going to run off into the sunset . They won't IMO .  Of course the amount funded could be less , as what happens time to time , just like with company sponsorships. and the racing could well be for much LESS Prizemoney as you are predicting .It's  just the state of the sport these days. less interest in it than 20 years ago or even 10 years ago.  less interest over time=less money invested. normal business acumen again. 

The Current decision making , whether be Ladbrokes (a ENTAIN subsidiary in QLD), or  ENTAIN in NZ you guys never stop OUT CRYING their performance is poor , when without them,  the Harness racing would be near FINISHED without their great support in recent years ? . We in fact have even better carnivals and racing recent times ,all around NZ for great prizemoney 

I'll give you an example. Victoria Harness is running at a seasonal loss each season last few years. Harness racing is just not a popular sport anymore.  So they recently got Gov funding to keep going until the end of next year 2027 season. All the $44 million extra funding given will have to be used this year and next. it is to support the 2026 and the 2027 seasons.  there are a lot of tracks and racing in Victoria . more than NZ these days. but They can't keep it (the extra funding) for future times ). It doesn't work like that. funding , as always is for Specific Time Periods. normal business acumen. will be back at running a loss after 2027 , so new plans will be made prior. 

  Funding is seasonal. it's almost calculated to the dollar across however many race meetings there are in a year. 

Enjoy the Great racing while you can then !! before all the changes and cuts.   

 

Gamma, personally not terrified at all that Entain are going to stop the cash splash, as it doesnt affect me!

However it is going to have dire consequences for those involved in the harness industry.

The reality is that HRNZ are responsible for what happens with the future of harness racing in NZ and the result is on their shoulders!

If they are happy with the way things are trekking then that is great, just would not be holding my breath!

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

you and Brodie forget the Major thing . Just like any Government or education funding or roads funding or medical funding ,with The Funding  , x-amount is allocated each season / year to use. this is common for most companies needing funding. they have an annual budget. They have to use the allocation per year for operational costs as part of the calculated set up of a season of racing. it doesn't carry over if you Don't Use/allocate it. normal business . 

II'll give you an example. Victoria Harness is running at a seasonal loss each season last few years. Harness racing is just not a popular sport anymore.  So they recently got Gov funding to keep going until the end of next year 2027 season. All the $44 million extra funding given will have to be used this year and next. it is to support the 2026 and the 2027 seasons.  there are a lot of tracks and racing in Victoria . more than NZ these days. but They can't keep it (the extra funding) for future times ). It doesn't work like that. funding , as always is for Specific Time Periods. normal business acumen. will be back at running a loss after 2027 , so new plans will be made prior. 

  Funding is seasonal. it's almost calculated to the dollar across however many race meetings there are in a year. 

Enjoy the Great racing while you can then !! before all the changes and cuts.   

 

maybe this post illustrates why you don't understabnd what we are saying.

because what you've just posted has no relevance as far as i understand things,because racing does not get any annual allocation of funds from the governent, that they have to spend within a certain time frame. Never has.. 

 

[the galah]

31 minutes ago, the galah said:

maybe this post illustrates why you don't understabnd what we are saying.

because what you've just posted has no relevance as far as i understand things,because racing does not get any annual allocation of funds from the governent, that they have to spend within a certain time frame. Never has.. 

 

of course i'm referring to nz.

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

maybe this post illustrates why you don't understabnd what we are saying.

because what you've just posted has no relevance as far as i understand things,because racing does not get any annual allocation of funds from the governent, that they have to spend within a certain time frame. Never has.. 

 

The TAB got bailed out by the government after the Covid BS and now Entain with the $900m and it will nit be happening again!

The fact that they have not invested the money wisely is very disappointing and  going to be a kick in the guts for harness racing in my humble opinion.

 

 

 

[the galah]

38 minutes ago, Brodie said:

The TAB got bailed out by the government after the Covid BS and now Entain with the $900m and it will nit be happening again!

The fact that they have not invested the money wisely is very disappointing and  going to be a kick in the guts for harness racing in my humble opinion.

 

 

 

the government passed legislation that created the legal process for the tab to enter into the agreement with entain.  .

The nz government never put any money in when the entain deal occured.

the nz government provided a support package/bail out for  the nz tab/racing industry board around 2020 to the tune of around $70m because the tab had been so poorly run.It was around covid time,but nothing to do with covid.That was a one off to keep the racing industry here afloat.

nz government do not fund nz racing anually. never have.

once harness have spent their share of the entain money,they have to rely on wagering to cover their stakes.

as 've i mentioned previously,fortunately thats not just wagering on nz harness,if it was things would look very dire,but it still appears hrnz are happily  spending,without  understanding of exactly how much income they will be funded by entain. Entain don't even know,they're also guessing until they have had a year of the geo blocking. 

as to victoria. victorian harness overspent. So the victorian government came to an agreement where they said,we'll wipe your debt to us,but we're taking your asset worth over 100m, the spare land they around melton. tabcorp has a longer term guaranteed funding agreement with wictorian harness. Nz only has 2 more years guaranteed funding. 

i've worked for a giovernment department and understand what gamma was saying. They get funded x amount of money each year,then when they get near the end of that finacial year the departments look at what they were allocated and if they haven't spent it all theygo on a bit of a spending spree as that way they can say to the govt,this is waht we spent last year so you need to fund us at least the same this year.Thats totally irrelevant to nz racing as its not governmant funded

Edited 45 minutes ago by the galah