January turnover:stakes data

[curious]

Jan-26
Date	Club	Stakes	Combined	T/O per $	Ranking	Oncourse	O/Course T/O	Ranking
			Turnover	of stakes		Turnover	per $ of Stakes
16/01/2026	Waikato TR	146520	1676200	11.44	2	50300	0.34	11
10/01/2026	Kumara	236625	2516800	10.64	3	342200	1.45	2
9/01/2026	Otaki	146520	1447600	9.88	4	61800	0.42	9
2/01/2026	Wairarapa	142450	1382800	9.71	5	336800	2.36	1
1/01/2026	Riverton	200875	1931200	9.61	6	106800	0.53	7
6/01/2026	Ruakaka	163390	1473700	9.02	7	180700	1.11	4
18/01/2026	Auckland TRI(Puke)	195625	1709000	8.74	8	26200	0.13	23
4/01/2026	Greymouth	172935	1464600	8.47	9	133300	0.77	5
7/01/2026	Reefton	175350	1270600	7.25	10	132400	0.76	6
14/01/2026	Canterbury Racing	199250	1434200	7.20	11	42200	0.21	17
19/01/2026	Whanganui	163170	1117100	6.85	12	49800	0.31	12
3/01/2026	Thames(Te Aroha)	147745	1006300	6.81	13	73600	0.50	8
10/01/2026	Wanganui JC	308250	2020600	6.56	14	54100	0.18	20
24/01/2026	Canterbury	448200	2813500	6.28	15	88200	0.20	18
8/01/2026	Tauranga	289975	1746600	6.02	16	59200	0.20	18
22/01/2026	Southland	150785	897900	5.95	17	19800	0.13	23
17/01/2026	Waikouaiti RC	366325	2135200	5.83	18	87400	0.24	15
11/01/2026	Auckland TRI	452575	2488100	5.50	19	100500	0.22	16
23/01/2026	Matamata	191875	830300	4.33	20	12300	0.06	25
24/01/2026	Taranaki	405325	1633100	4.03	21	108200	0.27	14
1/01/2026	Auckland TRI	1491275	5859400	3.93	22	454200	0.30	13
17/01/2026	Wellington RC	1233500	4182800	3.39	23	171100	0.14	22
3/01/2026	Wellington RC	1512575	4728500	3.13	24	231300	0.15	21
24/01/2026	Auckland TRI	4442500	6827900	1.54	25	1545100	0.35	10

[Chief Stipe]

So you are suggesting that there should be more races at Kumara?

[curious]

19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So you are suggesting that there should be more races at Kumara?

No. I wan't suggesting anything. If I were to in light of those figures, it might be that NZTR should pay stakes in more direct proportion to turnover, not keep throwing more and more money at the least sustainable meetings but I've been saying that for the last 20 years.

Edited 17 hours ago by curious

[Chief Stipe]

24 minutes ago, curious said:

No. I wan't suggesting anything. If I were to in light of those figures, it might be that NZTR should pay stakes in more direct proportion to turnover, not keep throwing more and more money at the least sustainable meetings but I've been saying that for the last 20 years.

But that won't work. The reason is you are not considering the other sources of revenue at that time.  You would make a brilliant Cost Accountant.  Hint:  Yield.

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, curious said:

7/01/2026 Waikouaiti RC

On the back of only two meetings that day as well.

[curious]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But that won't work. The reason is you are not considering the other sources of revenue at that time.  You would make a brilliant Cost Accountant.  Hint:  Yield.

What the hell do you mean yield? That's exactly what's not there in sufficient quantum. There's stuff all other revenue. 90% comes from wagering revenue..

[Reefton]

7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But that won't work. The reason is you are not considering the other sources of revenue at that time.  You would make a brilliant Cost Accountant.  Hint:  Yield.

Listen halfwit.  The ‘Yield’ facts clearly displayed in Curious’ table are that every dollar of industry money that goes into the stakes on those blood sucking big days gets far less of a ‘yield’ turnover wise than does the likes of Kumara Wairarapa or the other two Coast Clubs.

I’d have forgotten more about ‘yield’ than you would ever know in ten lifetimes.

 

[Chief Stipe]

35 minutes ago, Reefton said:

Listen halfwit.  The ‘Yield’ facts clearly displayed in Curious’ table are that every dollar of industry money that goes into the stakes on those blood sucking big days gets far less of a ‘yield’ turnover wise than does the likes of Kumara Wairarapa or the other two Coast Clubs.

I’d have forgotten more about ‘yield’ than you would ever know in ten lifetimes.

 

Well you've forgotten a shit load.  Tell all the listeners why and hoe Reefton adds positive revenue to racing?

[curious]

21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well you've forgotten a shit load.  Tell all the listeners why and hoe Reefton adds positive revenue to racing?

I don't think Reefton suggested that it did. No club does. You've gone off at a tangent to the topic. The point is that the wagering revenue generated by the likes of Reefton goes a lot further towards covering the cost to racing of providing their stakes than the likes of ATR does.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

I don't think Reefton suggested that it did. No club does. You've gone off at a tangent to the topic. The point is that the wagering revenue generated by the likes of Reefton goes a lot further towards covering the cost to racing of providing their stakes than the likes of ATR does.

Says the cost accountant.  

Regardless who wants to run their expensive top class 2yr old at Reefton?

[curious]

35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Says the cost accountant.  

Regardless who wants to run their expensive top class 2yr old at Reefton?

It's got stuff all to do with cost accounting or running a 2yo at Reefton. I think most know that if you spend more than you earn, you end up having to borrow and/or sell assets to stay afloat. But that's what NZTR have persisted in doing the last 20 years. It'll never work in the long term. Never could.

Edited 13 hours ago by curious

[hesi]

If we took the best 12 performing on a revenue to stakes ratio, all mainly industry days and did some extrapolating based on an industry with 300 meetings per annum.

We would end up with

Total stakes raced for - 52,261,500

Total revenue generated - 460,752,600

Ratio - 8.82

[curious]

As it stands, across January, we have 

13,548,635 56,847,600 4.19

[hesi]

9 hours ago, hesi said:

If we took the best 12 performing on a revenue to stakes ratio, all mainly industry days and did some extrapolating based on an industry with 300 meetings per annum.

We would end up with

Total stakes raced for - 52,261,500

Total revenue generated - 460,752,600

Ratio - 8.82

An extrapolated industry like this would probably see the demise of racing in NZ, with many packing up their bags (owners and trainers) and either moving to Aus or slanting their operation towards more Aus racing

It is effectively a 50% reduction in stake money.  We see the bleating that goes on, on social media with the current stakes level, so that would just amplify it.

It would mean the end of Te Akau in NZ, and probably full stop, as they have not established their credentials enough in Aus

[curious]

But we also have revenue from domestic wagering on overseas racing and sports. Just that domestic racing can no longer stand on its own feet from wagering revenue. The key point that the data reinforces though, is that spending more on high stakes races doesn't help the revenue returns.

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, hesi said:

with many packing up their bags (owners and trainers) and either moving to Aus or slanting their operation towards more Aus racing

That has been slowly happening for many years,  Industries have cores and peripheries,  in nz that is very much now Waikato/Ellerslie , with NZ very much becoming periphery of AU.

ps. As the sunset goes down.....

[hesi]

23 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

That has been slowly happening for many years,  Industries have cores and peripheries,  in nz that is very much now Waikato/Ellerslie , with NZ very much becoming periphery of AU.

ps. As the sunset goes down.....

Is that an oxymoron