GORE GONE :(

[Murray Fish]

Gore Meeting Abandoned

Today’s Gore meeting has been abandoned due a horse slipping leaving the straight. More information will be provided over the next 24 hours.

[Murray Fish]

Hopefully (anyone happen to record it)  the interview with stipe Mark Davison  is put onto social media! ,  He so know his H&S and has a backbone to stand tall and make his calls! RESPECT!

Edited 18 hours ago by Murray Fish

[mikeynz]

Reschedule, anyone got any thoughts about when.......bit of a premature end for Craig Rail, ,maybe he could do a one off at the Crank up calling the tractor pull or something lol but seriously how frustrating travelling all that way for some only to get this?

Does Gore have irrigation, don't need that in Southland  as a rule but for the racecourse do they have it?

Edited 18 hours ago by mikeynz

[Muzza]

1 hour ago, Murray Fish said:

Hopefully (anyone happen to record it)  the interview with stipe Mark Davison  is put onto social media! ,  He so know his H&S and has a backbone to stand tall and make his calls! RESPECT!

Unfortunately if he allowed the meeting to go ahead and there were an accident it would be Mark's head on the chopping block by worksafe then NZTR then.......

[curious]

My only criticism, how did even one race get run on that track? I accept that it was showery and weather may have altered conditions near to racetime.

Edited 17 hours ago by curious

[Murray Fish]

50 minutes ago, Muzza said:

Unfortunately if he allowed the meeting to go ahead and there were an accident it would be Mark's head on the chopping block by worksafe then NZTR then.......

 

47 minutes ago, curious said:

My only criticism, how did even one race get run on that track? I accept that it was showery and weather may have altered conditions near to racetime.

 Respect to the interviewer as well!  Her questions allowed MD to clearly explain the process that they went through, his role and the roles of the riders etc. All agree to ride the 1st race.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

My only criticism, how did even one race get run on that track? I accept that it was showery and weather may have altered conditions near to racetime.

49 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

 

 Respect to the interviewer as well!  Her questions allowed MD to clearly explain the process that they went through, his role and the roles of the riders etc. All agree to ride the 1st race.

Did the Stewards walk the track before race one?  Did horses gallop on the track prior to Race 1 as per the protocol?  If they did were the Stewards there watching?

What would have happened if there had been an issue in race 1?  Would the same heads be on the chopping block?

[Chief Stipe]

Meanwhile Oamaru Trots are running on a perfect track with dust!

[curious]

As MF reported.

Prior to Race 1 some of riders expressed concerns with sections of the track after several rain showers prior to
the beginning of the meeting. A track inspection team of Stewards and riders inspected those areas of the track
and following this inspection riders then met independently before advising Stewards that in their view the
meeting should proceed.

Edited 14 hours ago by curious

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, curious said:

As MF reported.

Prior to Race 1 some of riders expressed concerns with sections of the track after several rain showers prior to
the beginning of the meeting. A track inspection team of Stewards and riders inspected those areas of the track
and following this inspection riders then met independently before advising Stewards that in their view the
meeting should proceed.

But did horses gallop on it before race 1?

[curious]

6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But did horses gallop on it before race 1?

That would've been early morning, 6am ish.

[Chief Stipe]

15 minutes ago, curious said:

That would've been early morning, 6am ish.

But did they gallop?

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Did the Stewards walk the track before race one?  Did horses gallop on the track prior to Race 1 as per the protocol?  If they did were the Stewards there watching?

yes to all those sort of things, Davison explained that well in the interview. 

 

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

What would have happened if there had been an issue in race 1?  Would the same heads be on the chopping block?

again, explained.  He also stated, if he disagreed with the riders, he is prepared to say that!  and would say that!

sigh, as it was mentioned,  different parts of the track had difference firmness's!   Due to the lead up weather, topography etc... fecking god playing up again!

[curious]

19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But did they gallop?

I'm sure they must have. It's mandatory, though that is to confirm track condition. It's not much use for confirming track safety 6 hours later. I've never seen them gallop horses prior to the first unless it's a trial or planned exhibition gallop.

Edited 14 hours ago by curious

[Chief Stipe]

46 minutes ago, curious said:

I'm sure they must have. It's mandatory, though that is to confirm track condition. It's not much use for confirming track safety 6 hours later. I've never seen them gallop horses prior to the first unless it's a trial or planned exhibition gallop.

Why are you sure they must have galloped?  In the last 18 months I've been on two courses raceday from sparrow fart time and haven't seen any gallops.  The Stipes didn't pitch up until an hour before race 1.

[Special Agent]

Does the protocol mention the Stipes must be in attendance?  They delegate other tasks such as issuing barrier certificates.  A jockey riding a gallop can relay his/her thoughts to anyone.  If that jockey thinks there's a problem the Stipe is on the end of a phone.  Not sticking up for either side as I'm not sure of the exact wording of that protocol.

I don't think excuses should be made for not galloping prior to the races.  Even tracks that don't have horses trained on site should source some for the exercise, like Tauherenikau does.

[curious]

4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why are you sure they must have galloped?  In the last 18 months I've been on two courses raceday from sparrow fart time and haven't seen any gallops.  The Stipes didn't pitch up until an hour before race 1.

They don't gallop in front of the stipes. It's before track conditions are confirmed. Can't say I've ever seen it not done or that someone cant tell me who rode them so I can get an opinion. but it might be difficult at the likes of Trentham.

[curious]

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A Club must submit fully completed Race Meeting Track Information Sheets to NZTR ahead of each
meeting as per the times outlined at the bottom of that document.
A Club must ensure that the Racecourse Manager or their delegate has inspected the track in person
both 48 hours and 24 hours before the start of the race meetings and again by 6.45am on race
morning.
A Club is encouraged to arrange track gallops on the course 48 hours prior to the race meeting. A
Club must arrange for a track gallop on the course on the morning of the race meeting to reconfirm
the declared track rating, unless this is not practical

[Chief Stipe]

21 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

Does the protocol mention the Stipes must be in attendance?  They delegate other tasks such as issuing barrier certificates.  A jockey riding a gallop can relay his/her thoughts to anyone.  If that jockey thinks there's a problem the Stipe is on the end of a phone.  Not sticking up for either side as I'm not sure of the exact wording of that protocol.

I don't think excuses should be made for not galloping prior to the races.  Even tracks that don't have horses trained on site should source some for the exercise, like Tauherenikau does.

So who does the QA?  

[Chief Stipe]

20 minutes ago, curious said:

They don't gallop in front of the stipes. It's before track conditions are confirmed. Can't say I've ever seen it not done or that someone cant tell me who rode them so I can get an opinion. but it might be difficult at the likes of Trentham.

Exactly.  So if there is no QA what's the point?

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, curious said:

A Club is encouraged to arrange track gallops on the course 48 hours prior to the race meeting. A
Club must arrange for a track gallop on the course on the morning of the race meeting to reconfirm
the declared track rating, unless this is not practical

Does not having a horse or rider availble mean that it's "not practical"?

[curious]

50 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Does not having a horse or rider availble mean that it's "not practical"?

I would assume so.

Edited 11 hours ago by curious

[curious]

53 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Exactly.  So if there is no QA what's the point?

As I've said above, the point is to confirm the track condition at that stage of the day.

[mikeynz]

Might be awkward finding another suitable date with Wingatui then Ascot Park, if I were the powers that be I'd run them in March at the Wyndham meeting, maybe another day later on from that maybe in May or just have one day scrubbed.

[Freda]

Maybe put the Guineas on the Dunedin card, and make the open 2200 part of the southern handicap series....not Southland but closest,, and the Southland and Dunedin Guineas can follow on without disruption.   Up to  NZTR anyway, so no doubt we'll see in due course