Slot race Cambridge.

[Gammalite]

5 hours ago, the galah said:

You need your high end races .

its just how you do it and whether you get the balance right as far as promoting and looking after all sectors.

i belive  HRNZ and the mainsteam harness media's fail on both fronts because they over focus,almost to the point of obsession sometimes ,on the high end races like slot races,the age group races,the highend trainers

well I think they do. All races are carded to be run Annually. So that's only once a year. We have 4 slot races in NZ . Once a year is not gunna hurt anyone , and made Cup week even better at Addington with the Ascent and the Velocity to make for a great racing product (Aus v NZ V your other slot holders , etc ) good bit of fun . 

It's a Sport . it's spose to be fun. Your big end owners like Mick Boots winning the Hunter Cup the other day with old Swayzee has over 300 horses now with over 30 trainers. He's looking out for a lot of people. Buyers like him help the breeders , etc. although he is starting to breed them himself now , as a new enterprise. 

We still have all our Derbies and Sires Stakes and that ( NZ and every State of Oz ) which has been the case for decades. 

The high end trainers set their horses for these races every year. Same at the Gallops.  they have feature racing every month and people like Waller dominate with the most horses running and all millionaire owners. 

They Showcase the sport. We can't use Mo'Unga racing at Nelson Cup as a promotion can we ? 

But the 1000's going to Cambridge to see Leap To Fame , Keayang Zahara and others compete get to see the best going . Once a year . That's hardly an over-focus . And $200,000 to put it on by HRNZ ? they're in Dreamland and can't believe their good fortune

. I guess you guys think someone else should get the $200,000 but ya just have to suck it up i'm afraid. The galloping clubs put on 100's of thousands💰  for Group racing every week , and you don't want a club like Cambridge to run 2 of the BEST races of the year . just once a year . for a $200,000 outlay . where they get the best horses like Leap To Fame (sensational 2025 win )  and Don Hugo last year who had won the 2 previous Interdominions, and Arcee Phoenix who went on to win the next Interdominion after winning at Cambridge in the TAB trot.

Just don't have em' ya reckon ??that is best for NZ harness racing ? com'on old mate . it's not that bad .😉🏆  

Here'sthe winners so far 1 Oz and 3 kiwi horses. All Aussie owned but we're the Lucky country. And support our races , and the Best in The WHole World Trainers. that we see are winning the Betcha race. 

I Hope THE JANITOR can join the list this year. Pete has him pinging nicely too .  

2025[17]	$1,000,000	Leap To Fame[18][19]	Grant Dixon	Grant Dixon	2:33.55	Chase A Dream	Merlin
2024	$1,000,000	Merlin[20]	Zachary Butcher	Barry Purdon & Scott Phelan	2:35.10	Don't Stop Dreaming[21]	Kango
2023[22]	$1,000,000	Copy That[23]	Blair Orange	Ray Green[24]	2:36.3	Old Town Road	Self Assured
2022[25]	$862,500	Self Assured[26]	Mark Purdon	Mark Purdon & Hayden Cullen	2:37.5	Majestic Cruiser	Spankem

 

[pete cook]

HRNZ putting large amounts of Industry money into a seven horse Trot Slot race, that will undoubtedly be a wagering disaster, is a disgrace. Just another example of recklessness with Entain money.

[the galah]

41 minutes ago, pete cook said:

HRNZ putting large amounts of Industry money into a seven horse Trot Slot race, that will undoubtedly be a wagering disaster, is a disgrace. Just another example of recklessness with Entain money.

and you can guarantee the race will be a total bore as well.

The $1.30 favorite will lead,go slow,no one will attack, probably the likes of gus will move around and sit parked but apply no pressure,then it will sprint home a 54 last half and the commentator and media will rave on and on about what a great performance and how wonderful it was.

Edited 10 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

41 minutes ago, pete cook said:

HRNZ putting large amounts of Industry money into a seven horse Trot Slot race, that will undoubtedly be a wagering disaster, is a disgrace. Just another example of recklessness with Entain money.

You guys are just Bitterly disappointing these days.

Not a skerritt of support for the great competitors on the track , nor your fabulous organizing bodies .

And the Galah backs you u calling it a disgrace ?  that's a disgrace lol 😆😋 (should leave that for Doomsday Brodie)

Of course any race Keayang Zahara is in doesn't have good betting. duh. that's what happens when champions arrive. So you say DON"T HAVE THE RACE because of the Betting  ???😅🤣  that's great support for the champions lol 😂 I do concede,  You can't really back anything to beat her. (my suggestion would be take First 4 in those sort of races but whatever)

As for Recklessness with ENTAIN money. what total ROT. ENTAIN puts in the money to use over a season. They are worth BILLIONS  they are back in court this year with a potential $100,000,000 fine (for money laundering) and already have that set aside , should the day come. WHAT BETTER way for them to SPEND their proceeds but on BIG Harness races. 

The Slot races involves the PARTICIPANTS putting in $30,000 each as well . The small input from HRNZ is a True Blessing for them. Not a disgrace. They are rejoicing in their good fortune. Great racing of some of the best TROTTERS EVER SEEN in Gus,  Keayang Zahara and Muscle Mountain . 

14 fabulous Group 1's to be run at Auckland through the Autumn next 3 months, on their newly re-surfaced track . Well done HRNZ for the great NZ racing and support of your participants. 🏆💰 Thank you Entain for the great Entertainment as well. 

 Disgrace and recklessness ???  lol 🤣   poor old trotters. NZ used to like them too over the years. times change I spose.🙄😉

[Spatchcock]

22 minutes ago, the galah said:

and you can guarantee the race will be a total bore as well.

The $1.30 favorite will lead,go slow,no one will attack, probably the likes of gus will move around and sit parked but apply no pressure,then it will sprint home a 54 last half and the commentator and media will rave on and on about what a great performance and how wonderful it was.

They won't be afraid to force the issue with Belle Neige or Gus, I would say.

[pete cook]

Gamma, I really do admire you rose-tinted glasses. Yes, the 7 slot holders put in $30k each, but although I was never much good at maths, that only comes to $210K.So to say HRNZ only puts in a small amount to a $500k stake is simply wrong. Nobody likes watching super horses race more than me, as I've been doing for around 60 years, but I'm a realist and, as it stands, the race will be boring and very expensive for a game that can't afford either. I could send the rest of the day outlining the better ways that the Entain money could be spent, but others on here have already done it on here.

[Gammalite]

7 minutes ago, pete cook said:

. I could send the rest of the day outlining the better ways that the Entain money could be spent

they could spend it on thoroughbreds I spose. 🙄 But that would be no no no good to ya. and harness racing NZ.

Thankfully Ladbrokes put on QLD racing (Ladbrokes is a subsidiary of Entain) and we don't bet much on the 'Boring' racing here. the fields are too even with the rating system.  It's just 500-600 participants making a living virtually. 

So even though QLD harness is running at a betting loss we still use the ENtain money to run the Interdominion each Winter and a whole host of Group 1' s (just in July and Dec as that's the budget we have)  .

the 2 Interdominions are worth $1.5 million between them . BUT WE don't say DISGRACE and WASTE of FUNDING , even though the whole lot is funded by Queensland racing (and not the participants like the slot races) just because in ALL likelihood LEAP TO FAME and KKEAYANG ZAHARA will Win the 2 Interdominions and will Stifle the betting.

We have the races Still !! and enjoy and Don't call it a disgrace or Recklessness . a bit like the progressive HRNZ introducing the great slot racing to Addington past 2 years as well to really sell the great harness product.

I guess it's in the approach you have as a doomsayer  . how's your Bunker going. get it as deep as Brodie yet 😋

  

[Brodie]

3 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

they could spend it on thoroughbreds I spose. 🙄 But that would be no no no good to ya. and harness racing NZ.

Thankfully Ladbrokes put on QLD racing (Ladbrokes is a subsidiary of Entain) and we don't bet much on the 'Boring' racing here. the fields are too even with the rating system.  It's just 500-600 participants making a living virtually. 

So even though QLD harness is running at a betting loss we still use the ENtain money to run the Interdominion each Winter and a whole host of Group 1' s (just in July and Dec as that's the budget we have)  .

the 2 Interdominions are worth $1.5 million between them . BUT WE don't say DISGRACE and WASTE of FUNDING , even though the whole lot is funded by Queensland racing (and not the participants like the slot races) just because in ALL likelihood LEAP TO FAME and KKEAYANG ZAHARA will Win the 2 Interdominions and will Stifle the betting.

We have the races Still !! and enjoy and Don't call it a disgrace or Recklessness . a bit like the progressive HRNZ introducing the great slot racing to Addington past 2 years as well to really sell the great harness product.

I guess it's in the approach you have as a doomsayer  . how's your Bunker going. get it as deep as Brodie yet 😋

  

Gamma, we admire your support for HRNZ and the high class harness horses!

However, for NZ there is absolutely no reason for confidence in harness racing in the future!

You will realise in the future that those that are prepared to speak up about the blatant mismanagement of harness racing in NZ are speaking up for the best interests for longevity of the industry!

The Entain money has been blatantly mishandled and you and everyone else will see that once it is stopped!

The total silence from HRNZ and Entain is surely showing that they know we are right or they would be defending their position and guaranteeing that things are going in the right direction????

How on earth can things be going well when the North Island clubs are broke and getting poorer by the day?

 

[Gammalite]

9 minutes ago, Brodie said:

You will realise in the future that those that are prepared to speak up about the blatant mismanagement of harness racing in NZ are speaking up for the best interests for longevity of the industry!

The Entain money has been blatantly mishandled and you and everyone else will see that once it is stopped

It's not the Entain money that will 'Stop' the industry . They are the one's propping it up with spare back pocket cash at the moment. NZ and Australia. blatant mismanagement is JUST Not Correct. they're helping out in hour of need.

And as The Galah correctly says , SPortsBetting is the go these days for them , and horse racing is just like a side dessert if you like , that they don't really need. 

It's a TWILIGHT industry . NZ especially has TWILIGHT participants. I can't believe Ricky May coming back again , nor Barry Purdon the other day. Dr Chin . really ? who's gunna lose money betting on them ? not you or I. didn't get enough youngsters involved is the HUUUGEE knife in the back for NZ harness. 

I agree Fully with you Brodster that the mile racing and smaller field's are quite boring.  commonly run in Aus every day of the week. and you have advocating keeping them to a minimum in NZ as a spectacle or a Betting prospect. NZ has a GREAT VAriety of RACES put on by HRNZ 9cmpared to Aus) and Caters for All their participants. 

THE PARTICIPANTS are just as Important as the Punters to keep it going. No Participants = No Racing = You're washed Up. ENTAIN and HRNZ are handling it to keep it going. And you know this. you're just being mean really not appreciating the efforts .  we'll lose heaps on the Interdominion but you still need these Pinnalcle events to keep people like Seymour interested ( as well as all the 5 day to day meetings we run each and every week. 

HRNZ does it better than all our OZ states , except NSW HR which look after their participants magnificently across the board and hopefully at a profit.

For your tiny HRNZ industry the results achieved are Just amazing really.   fancy people grizzling they put in 200-300 thousand ( a pittance to Entain) to run the feature Slot TROT of Australasia? , of the world nearly? . with some of the world's best trotters EVER SEEN , yet this thread says Call it off ?????????????????.  I give up mate.

 It's like calling off the Olympics 100m because BOLT was too fast for them . 🤣😆.  forget the spectacle 😉 

 

[pete cook]

Gamma, it's obvious a discussion (I was going to say argument but refrained) with you about this is futile. Only the future will tell who was right or wrong. My understanding is that when the Entain deal was signed, it was conditional on NZ introducing Geo-blocking (which Australia have had for years).The idea/thinking was that that would create a large boost in wagering (I seem to recall a figure of $40m being talked about) to replace for the money that Entain is putting in now. Given that HRNZ have just announced that turnovers are actually down on a reduced turnover of last year, and the year before that etc., that seems to have been proven to be pie in the sky. As I've said before, we don't have generous State Governments of billionaires to help...ALL, I repeat, ALL our money comes from wagering, hence my comments on Slot Racing, which, as does Cup Week almost every year, run at a substantial loss.

Edited 7 hours ago by pete cook
Just to add, I'm not against Slot racing per se, just teh huge sums of money HRNZ are contributing to them

[Brodie]

Gamma, you are now agreeing that once Entain pulls the plug on the heavily reduced stakes then harness is knackered!

Shame HRNZ hasnt got people in the leadership positions with business sense!

Anyway enjoying the Westport racing today.

HRNZ can not afford to chuck anything into the slot races and dont need to, but then again it is Entains money until it is gone, and nothing surer than the Ozzies will be back in Oz!

[Gammalite]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

Gamma, you are now agreeing that once Entain pulls the plug on the heavily reduced stakes then harness is knackered!

Shame HRNZ hasnt got people in the leadership positions with business sense!

Anyway enjoying the Westport racing today.

HRNZ can not afford to chuck anything into the slot races and dont need to, but then again it is Entains money until it is gone, and nothing surer than the Ozzies will be back in Oz!

ENTAIN are a 'Gift horse' to racing. I don't expect you to understand why .

I don't agree with much you say at all actually sorry. 

I can see you're just total ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT Brodster. anyone in any authority you just can em' 

It's a bit of a shame for you as you worry too much about stuff that's not real . Like People in WORKING jobs that they're paid to do have No Business sense???.  they've been very successful .  that doesn't even make sense to start off with . ENtain and HRNZ (for over 100 years) have been very successful companies and employ plenty of fine businessmen and accountants and handicappers and employees that have been successful in Multiple fields of endeavor . I found some of them a pleasure to race horses for like Jim McNeil and Chris Garrard and Alistair Cox NZ and John Devlin NZ . I feel privileged to know such great people that are involved in harness and raced their horses for them.

The horsemen themselves ? well that's just Best on the Planet Level Brodster.  I feel like i'm at the top of EVEREST like Sir Edmund Hilary, watching them go  . amazing stuff they do these days.

Reading this BOAY forum is like harness is being abbandoned  on Mt Erebus with some DC10  remains. 

 

Do you realize this Slot Trot SHOWS oFF NZ and AUS as the Best Trotting trainers and trotters on the Planet.?? 

A/ you blokes don't. you want to can the race because of a tiny tiny 200-300 k input by HRNZ ?? lol 🤣

One fellow here saying its a disgrace above above ???  . lol whatta a disgrace that is. Keayang Zahara and Gus and Muscle Mountain racing is a disgrace . qeeez mate . what is wrong with the world . better off firing missiles I spose. 

Chief puts at the top of the page BOAY : New Zealand s Premium Pro Racing Forum.

Re-name it Chief!!!!  . BOAY:  New Zealand s Premium ANTI-Racing Forum .  

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Gammalite

[pete cook]

I am at a loss to understand where you are coming from. As far as I can see, neither Brodie or myself have been critical of our horse people, yet you keep suggesting we are. I have always believed they are some of the best in the World, and have been privileged to know many of them personally. Obviously, your idea of 'tiny' and mine are different, and my issue is that the 'tiny' amount would be much better spent elsewhere, instead of subsidising races for people who have horses that are capable of winning far more than that.

[Gammalite]

46 minutes ago, pete cook said:

As far as I can see, neither Brodie or myself have been critical of our horse people, yet you keep suggesting we are

Brodie gets stuck into them all the time .  You don't see well at all  Peter. 😆😉 . Maybe try reading a Few Threads on BOAY .   

Who do you think ATC and HRNZ are? Brodie quite happy to call them Basket cases on about , oh lets see?  hundreds of occasions . It's a bit of a running joke actually. 

Who do you think works at ATC and HRNZ  ? plenty of horse people. People who love the sport.  Brodie critical to the max old mate. Completely insults them at their jobs constantly . Are you living under a rock and didn't notice? 

Alas he Doesn't like Entain helping out either,   nor about 50 other things and organisations.

I don't have to suggest anything . It's in plain view across several threads. People (including Chief) don't even bother replying to the trots thread anymore with all that crap on it . I wonder why ?? lol🙄😋 

What happens when TOUR PARTY is in $100,000 young guns 6 horse field race shortly as $1.10 favourite. ? 

should Can the race  ? . Waste of money?  .It's at the ATC for strters. money could be better used elsewhere? No one can bet on it lol . (should be used for thoroughbreds would be better than you unappreciative lot anyway.)    

BUT  don't Run one of the greatest Trot races ever seen with OscarB , Muscle Mountain, Keayang Zahara , Gus and 3 others , possibly the current Interdominion Champ Arcee Phoenix as well. THATS JUST a DISGRACE   PETER.   well done Peter well done. recklessness . lol.