Brodie Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 19/02/2019 at 10:27 AM, JJ Flash said: I see the major Auckland vendors spoken to were happy as was the turnout from Australian buyers. I think NZBS have done a great job thus far. 46% increase in Median price bodes well. Always going to be the odd negative Nelly around Ranga Of course the major ones were happy because they prob didn’t pay the full Service fees like the average breeder! Anyway no point debating with you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Brodie said: Anyway no point debating with you! hard work for you given you seldom have the facts to back up your ramblings repetition won't turn it into a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rangatira said: hard work for you given you seldom have the facts to back up your ramblings repetition won't turn it into a fact Brodie has done the usual change the narrative to what is or what is not successful investing when this is about a successful yearling sale. He is the only one on this thread who thinks it was not good. As Mick G said last night , anyone who thought other wise is a Curmudgeon. Im leaning to the conclusion Rangatira that brodie fulfills all the necessarily qualifications based on his posts on this subject. Not even his loyal followers are liking his posts,unusual in itself. I wonder if he was even at the sale Greg Edited February 21, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 jj so 2 years ago betters service fee was 20k and guy sold colt for 12k a loss 8k so your saying money is made 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: jj so 2 years ago betters service fee was 20k and guy sold colt for 12k a loss 8k so your saying money is made Hi Hunter, I think sometimes we have just take the horse by the reins, and let it go, even for a lose. Not what we would want, but in many of life's challenges, it is better to, regrettably, move on. Cheers. Robert. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Brodie has done the usual change the narrative to what is or what is not successful investing when this is about a successful yearling sale. He is the only one on this thread who thinks it was not good. As Mick G said last night , anyone who thought other wise is a Curmudgeon. Im leaning to the conclusion Rangatira that brodie fulfills all the necessarily qualifications based on his posts on this subject. Not even his loyal followers are liking his posts,unusual in itself. I wonder if he was even at the sale Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: jj so 2 years ago betters service fee was 20k and guy sold colt for 12k a loss 8k so your saying money is made I spoke to 3 vendors and they all told me their service fee for the yearlings they sold yesterday was 15K plus GST and a 20% discount for 2 or more years. Thats 12K plus GST. I have no reason to doubt their words in any ways given they are all in the breeding game and have been for some time. That was a nice colt you bought BTW, i hope it goes good for you. Greg Edited February 21, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 If you are happy with the sales results then good on you! If it is not all about the money then keep onbreeding as we need breeders to keep the industry going! If you are more interested in investing that is guaranteed without any risk there are far better ways!,, Brodie, always on the money !, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Brodie said: If you are happy with the sales results then good on you! If it is not all about the money then keep onbreeding as we need breeders to keep the industry going! If you are more interested in investing that is guaranteed without any risk there are far better ways!,, Brodie, always on the money !, a couple more clever named horses would be smoke and mirrors & screws loose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: a couple more clever named horses would be smoke and mirrors & screws loose One for you Ranga, Dick Head!!!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: I spoke to 3 vendors and they all told me their service fee for the yearlings they sold yesterday was 15K plus GST and a 20% discount for 2 or more years. Thats 12K plus GST. I have no reason to doubt their words in any ways given they are all in the breeding game and have been for some time. That was a nice colt you bought BTW, i hope it goes good for you. Greg thanks we think we got a very cheap horse 2 to race for two group one winners 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: thanks we think we got a very cheap horse 2 to race for two group one winners Good Luck Hunter. We also bought one. Who knows we might Quinella the two races. Cheers. Robert. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: thanks we think we got a very cheap horse 2 to race for two group one winners You can’t have Hunter, everything was selling for good prices??? Edited February 21, 2019 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: You can’t have Hunter, everything was selling for good prices??? at time of selling prices dripped a bit think it was lunch time lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Double R said: Good Luck Hunter. We also bought one. Who knows we might Quinella the two races. Cheers. Robert. best of luck too Robert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 hours ago, JJ Flash said: I spoke to 3 vendors and they all told me their service fee for the yearlings they sold yesterday was 15K plus GST and a 20% discount for 2 or more years. Thats 12K plus GST. I have no reason to doubt their words in any ways given they are all in the breeding game and have been for some time. That was a nice colt you bought BTW, i hope it goes good for you. Greg Yep - I think it's only the little fella that pays full service fees .... and there are usually discounts for 2 or more mares to the same stallion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Taku Umanga said: Yep - I think it's only the little fella that pays full service fees .... and there are usually discounts for 2 or more mares to the same stallion. Volume discounts are normal business practice and you usually find that small broodmare owners will band together, sometimes with the aid of trainers, to get the lower price. With Bettors standing at 25K or 20K with discounts id say you are getting a good deal. Have a look at what 25 K will get you in TB code Greg Edited February 21, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Brodie said: You can’t have Hunter, everything was selling for good prices??? Hi Brodie, Everyone is different in their idea of a cheap price. What would your thinking be? I think, like in most things in life, value for money is with each individual. I might think $100,000 is cheap, and good value for a horse, and of course, others disagree. I can not speak for others, but ownership is the use of my leisure dollar/s, in a sport that I love, with no expectations, but a little hope. It is an interest that you meet some wonderful people, and can live the dream, if only briefly most of the time. Cheers. Robert. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Brodie said: One for you Ranga, Dick Head!!!! hopefully its just the weather that has got to you it seems you have confused the gait and "unclevered" the name, were you were thinking of the handy galloper richard cranium #seldomonthemoneythesedays #bringonwinter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZSBA Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 8:25 PM, Brodie said: The median was $34,000 for the 100 sold. There were 36 Bettors Delights and that service fee is$30k approx. That tends to paint a different picture doesn’t it? I would love people to be able to breed horses and be able to put them in the yearling sales and make a profit, as we certainly need people to be breeding horses to enable our harness industry to thrive. Must admit that thebreeders are certainly breeding from far better mares than what they used to. The poorly bred or non black print mares just aren’t at the sales like they used to be, so we would expect averages and medians to be increasing and bearing in mind that many weren’t sold. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn Brodie. Bettor's advertised Service Fee when these yearlings were in Utero was $16,000 + GST. Nearly every commercial breeder (which let's face it, most at that price are) gets a 20% discount for simply using a preferred semen base. That gets us to a service fee of $14,720 GST inclusive. A far cry from your $30k figure. Yes, yearlings coming through next year will be at the $25k advertised fee, but after 20% and including GST that's 23K. Still way off $30k. Looking at the analysis given by another user, the majority would be comfortable at this year's prices and averages. NZB will be providing some very useful buyer indexes as well as sires by average information. And don't forget the clearance rate is still climbing and will be over 80% in AKL and likely north of 90% in CHCH which is tidy by anyone's math. "Oh, but there were 60 fewer horses catalogued in Christchurch." Not true. Last year there was a supplementary sale which had its own name and its own set of averages. Here's a snippet of same basic analysis from last years Premiere Sale in CHCH compared with this year run by NZB. Every indicator is up. Top lots, middle lots and fewer poor sales. There were only 5 more horses sold last year, so the numbers are practically identical. Quit with the narrative it was a failure, because it was far from it. Yes, there were still vendors who copped a blood nose, but that is market forces for you and the same at any sale. Those who missed out will have an opportunity to sell in April, and still, have their yearlings Sale Series eligible. And given time, the yearlings will potentially be improved from where they were in February, particularly the late foals. Cheers Brad NZSBA 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZSBA Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 One minor error is the 25-35k lots. Should be 24 for 2019 and 10 for 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, NZSBA said: Don't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn Brodie. Bettor's advertised Service Fee when these yearlings were in Utero was $16,000 + GST. Nearly every commercial breeder (which let's face it, most at that price are) gets a 20% discount for simply using a preferred semen base. That gets us to a service fee of $14,720 GST inclusive. A far cry from your $30k figure. Yes, yearlings coming through next year will be at the $25k advertised fee, but after 20% and including GST that's 23K. Still way off $30k. Looking at the analysis given by another user, the majority would be comfortable at this year's prices and averages. NZB will be providing some very useful buyer indexes as well as sires by average information. And don't forget the clearance rate is still climbing and will be over 80% in AKL and likely north of 90% in CHCH which is tidy by anyone's math. "Oh, but there were 60 fewer horses catalogued in Christchurch." Not true. Last year there was a supplementary sale which had its own name and its own set of averages. Here's a snippet of same basic analysis from last years Premiere Sale in CHCH compared with this year run by NZB. Every indicator is up. Top lots, middle lots and fewer poor sales. There were only 5 more horses sold last year, so the numbers are practically identical. Quit with the narrative it was a failure, because it was far from it. Yes, there were still vendors who copped a blood nose, but that is market forces for you and the same at any sale. Those who missed out will have an opportunity to sell in April, and still, have their yearlings Sale Series eligible. And given time, the yearlings will potentially be improved from where they were in February, particularly the late foals. Cheers Brad NZSBA Noooooo! The stats must be wrong because brodie is always on the money? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, NZSBA said: Don't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn Brodie. Bettor's advertised Service Fee when these yearlings were in Utero was $16,000 + GST. Nearly every commercial breeder (which let's face it, most at that price are) gets a 20% discount for simply using a preferred semen base. That gets us to a service fee of $14,720 GST inclusive. A far cry from your $30k figure. Yes, yearlings coming through next year will be at the $25k advertised fee, but after 20% and including GST that's 23K. Still way off $30k. Looking at the analysis given by another user, the majority would be comfortable at this year's prices and averages. NZB will be providing some very useful buyer indexes as well as sires by average information. And don't forget the clearance rate is still climbing and will be over 80% in AKL and likely north of 90% in CHCH which is tidy by anyone's math. "Oh, but there were 60 fewer horses catalogued in Christchurch." Not true. Last year there was a supplementary sale which had its own name and its own set of averages. Here's a snippet of same basic analysis from last years Premiere Sale in CHCH compared with this year run by NZB. Every indicator is up. Top lots, middle lots and fewer poor sales. There were only 5 more horses sold last year, so the numbers are practically identical. Quit with the narrative it was a failure, because it was far from it. Yes, there were still vendors who copped a blood nose, but that is market forces for you and the same at any sale. Those who missed out will have an opportunity to sell in April, and still, have their yearlings Sale Series eligible. And given time, the yearlings will potentially be improved from where they were in February, particularly the late foals. Cheers Brad NZSBA Thanks for clarifying the obvious to all but one contributor here Brad. He will hopefully give up now with the nonsense he has been spouting off on this subject. Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, NZSBA said: Don't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn Brodie. Bettor's advertised Service Fee when these yearlings were in Utero was $16,000 + GST. Nearly every commercial breeder (which let's face it, most at that price are) gets a 20% discount for simply using a preferred semen base. That gets us to a service fee of $14,720 GST inclusive. A far cry from your $30k figure. Yes, yearlings coming through next year will be at the $25k advertised fee, but after 20% and including GST that's 23K. Still way off $30k. Looking at the analysis given by another user, the majority would be comfortable at this year's prices and averages. NZB will be providing some very useful buyer indexes as well as sires by average information. And don't forget the clearance rate is still climbing and will be over 80% in AKL and likely north of 90% in CHCH which is tidy by anyone's math. "Oh, but there were 60 fewer horses catalogued in Christchurch." Not true. Last year there was a supplementary sale which had its own name and its own set of averages. Here's a snippet of same basic analysis from last years Premiere Sale in CHCH compared with this year run by NZB. Every indicator is up. Top lots, middle lots and fewer poor sales. There were only 5 more horses sold last year, so the numbers are practically identical. Quit with the narrative it was a failure, because it was far from it. Yes, there were still vendors who copped a blood nose, but that is market forces for you and the same at any sale. Those who missed out will have an opportunity to sell in April, and still, have their yearlings Sale Series eligible. And given time, the yearlings will potentially be improved from where they were in February, particularly the late foals. Cheers Brad NZSBA Great to have your reply Brad, appreciated! Look, I am rapt that you are now holding the sale and by your account and some vendors it was a success! I hope the sale goes from strength for your company and the owners and trainers of harness racing! If the vendors are happy then that is what matters, and hopefully the buyers get plenty of wins from their buys. I have no personal vendetta and financial interest in the sales, and I follow them with interest and have bought from the sales previously. What I do know that there are vendors that I know that have lost money On their yearlings and are considering breeding from their mares going forward. Is breeding horses a profitable exercise in most cases, no, or more people would be doing it! Keep up the good work! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Brodie said: Great to have your reply Brad, appreciated! Look, I am rapt that you are now holding the sale and by your account and some vendors it was a success! I hope the sale goes from strength for your company and the owners and trainers of harness racing! If the vendors are happy then that is what matters, and hopefully the buyers get plenty of wins from their buys. I have no personal vendetta and financial interest in the sales, and I follow them with interest and have bought from the sales previously. What I do know that there are vendors that I know that have lost money On their yearlings and are considering breeding from their mares going forward. Is breeding horses a profitable exercise in most cases, no, or more people would be doing it! Keep up the good work! Brodie, what on earth are you on??? Brad is from the NZ Standardbred Breeders Association. The sales are now being conducted by NZ Bloodstock Standardbred division. How you could get those two confused is anyone's guess Way off the money on this one, again Greg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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