NZSBA Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Brodie said: Great to have your reply Brad, appreciated! Look, I am rapt that you are now holding the sale and by your account and some vendors it was a success! I hope the sale goes from strength for your company and the owners and trainers of harness racing! If the vendors are happy then that is what matters, and hopefully the buyers get plenty of wins from their buys. I have no personal vendetta and financial interest in the sales, and I follow them with interest and have bought from the sales previously. What I do know that there are vendors that I know that have lost money On their yearlings and are considering breeding from their mares going forward. Is breeding horses a profitable exercise in most cases, no, or more people would be doing it! Keep up the good work! Brodie, Thanks for your reply. Keep doing you because the world (and these forums )would be a boring place without your input. Would love some tips in writing, plenty of us are yet to be restricted by the TAB Having sold a yearling myself it's not as simple as breeding a mare to a commercial stallion and getting a result. Got $30k for a Muscle Hill colt and lost money in 2018. It will never be all rainbows and lollipops for every vendor. Nobody is under any illusions that the yearling sales is tough for any breeder to be a sustainable stream of revenue with all factors considered. You have to be realistic when there are on the surface a likely three and maybe four (Captain T this year's anomaly) commercial pacing stallions, are you better off spending the extra 5 or 6 k to go to Art Major and Captain T instead of rolling the dice at the sales with a Sportswriter or an unproven He's Watching. I have no doubt those sires can leave horses that can run, but there are other markets better suited to getting those breeder/owners returns. American Ideal has proven he can leave a freak and the buyers for the most part leave him alone. Same said with Rock N Roll Heaven, Shadow Play etc. You can get a solid return for the right type (look at Roll With Joe prices), but again a lot of mitigating factors at play over 2.5 years of an investment. It makes my job slightly easier when vendors can see a sales company prepared to do things outside the box and utilise the resources available to get the most out of our product for all stakeholders involved. What is encouraging is to get feedback from many who have sat on the fence the last few years in respect to breeding mares come to me and say they are prepared to roll the dice and invest in an industry they love when there is some renewed reason for optimism. The only sustainable means in which we can increase breeding numbers is to raise stake money, and we all know that is driven by turnover. Land prices, vet bills, stud fees etc have all risen dramatically, yet stake money has remained stagnant. This is outside the hands of NZ Bloodtsock and the NZSBA, particularly with our limited funding and resources. What we are able to do is advocate and facilitate on behalf of those still involved, and try to engage them as well as HRNZ with practical information, research and support to aid in the improvement of our product. Better utilisation, less wastage etc. While we are trying to attract new investors to the industry, it's imperative we retain our current breeders in the interim. The age demographics are truly scary with only 7% of breeders under the age of 40. We have a big few years ahead of us to dissect and respond to many of the challenges we are faced with. Believe you me it won't be for lack of trying and it's far easier to do this when everyone in the waka is paddling in the same direction! Cheers Brad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: What I do know that there are vendors that I know that have lost money On their yearlings and are considering breeding from their mares going forward. so business as usual then surely this happens at most yearling sales its not like a govt guaranteed term deposit, there are significant risks involved it sounds like the vendors you know are in it for the long haul so hopefully this year is just a blip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Brodie, what on earth are you on??? Brad is from the NZ Standardbred Breeders Association. The sales are now being conducted by NZ Bloodstock Standardbred division. How you could get those two confused is anyone's guess Way off the money on this one, again Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, Rangatira said: so business as usual then surely this happens at most yearling sales its not like a govt guaranteed term deposit, there are significant risks involved it sounds like the vendors you know are in it for the long haul so hopefully this year is just a blip Breeders have to be an optimistic lot dont they? What I do know is that the standard of mares being accepted into the sales has improved greatly over the years, although it is not that hard to get black print nowadays with the speed horses are going! Plenty of races to win and 2.0 min mile rates are so easy to get! Government guaranteed term deposit? That sounds like like exciting investing, far better things to invest in Ranga! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: Surprisingly no response from Brodie - he may have finally seem the error of his ways and given up the non winnable fight on this topic Ranga Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Surprisingly no response from Brodie - he may have finally seem the error of his ways and given up the non winnable fight on this topic Ranga Greg 54 minutes ago, Brodie said: Breeders have to be an optimistic lot dont they? What I do know is that the standard of mares being accepted into the sales has improved greatly over the years, although it is not that hard to get black print nowadays with the speed horses are going! Plenty of races to win and 2.0 min mile rates are so easy to get! Government guaranteed term deposit? That sounds like like exciting investing, far better things to invest in Ranga! Quite right brodster still a big risk a lot of people can't afford to take.... good on you for having an opinion on it .... some know all's don't make them selves look very "flash" with their smarmy comments.... almost come across as tossers ftms apprentice! Edited February 22, 2019 by Flagship uberalles 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Flagship uberalles said: Quite right brodster still a big risk a lot of people can't afford to take.... good on you for having an opinion on it .... some know all's don't make them selves look very "flash" with their smarmy comments.... almost come across tossers ftms apprentice! Whats whether people can afford to take a risk got to do with the topic at hand Flag U. He has been proven wrong on all fronts on this topic.FFS he doesn't even know who runs the sales and thinks that this years Bettors Delight yearlings cost their breeders 30K when the most anyone could have paid was 15K 2 seasons ago The rest is just your usual obsessive garbage. Im starting to think you miss Racecafe such is your continual subtle and non subtle references to it and its contributors on a regular basis. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Surprisingly no response from Brodie - he may have finally seem the error of his ways and given up the non winnable fight on this topic Ranga Greg I was hoping he would tip us the winner of the next unicorn race 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Whats whether people can afford to take a risk got to do with the topic at hand Flag U. He has been proven wrong on all fronts on this topic.FFS he doesn't even know who runs the sales and thinks that this years Bettors Delight yearlings cost their breeders 30K when the most anyone could have paid was 15K 2 seasons ago The rest is just your usual obsessive garbage. Im starting to think you miss Racecafe such is your continual subtle and non subtle references to it and its contributors on a regular basis. Greg JJ you need to change your name, as you are not flash, quite the opposite! You are on this Premier site to cause trouble anyone can see that as well as Ranga! Brodie is on the money with his comments, to be fair NZSB and NZBS can be easily misread as I thought it was the sales firm putting their point of view across. Brads posting was extremely good and it would be great if we could have his,postings instead of yours!!!! If that is the best you can come up with JJ then you might as well crawl back under your rock on the Darkside! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Brodie said: You are on this Premier site to cause trouble anyone can see that as well as Ranga! trying to correct your constant lies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Brodie said: JJ you need to change your name, as you are not flash, quite the opposite! You are on this Premier site to cause trouble anyone can see that as well as Ranga! Brodie is on the money with his comments, to be fair NZSB and NZBS can be easily misread as I thought it was the sales firm putting their point of view across. Brads posting was extremely good and it would be great if we could have his,postings instead of yours!!!! If that is the best you can come up with JJ then you might as well crawl back under your rock on the Darkside! You are so far off the money once again that your making a fool of yourself. You should try dealing in facts for a change like i have been showing you , real ones , not your disillusion 3rd party ones. The correct initials are NZBS and NZSBA, two entirely different organisations Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 7:29 PM, hunterthepunter said: so are you going too sale Bec??? chch will go good Good prediction HTP CHCH went real well. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 21/02/2019 at 9:50 AM, Rangatira said: this is the point where he often attacks the man and not the ball or sulks I think we just reached that point a few posts ago Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Good prediction HTP CHCH went real well. Greg sale was true market when ppgwrightson ran the yearling sale when they put a stop too finance the price drop away and some horse only got fully payed for only a week or two before the next years sale so be interesting how the finance side of it how that goes as it pushed prices up too make a higher priced sale 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Whats whether people can afford to take a risk got to do with the topic at hand Flag U. He has been proven wrong on all fronts on this topic.FFS he doesn't even know who runs the sales and thinks that this years Bettors Delight yearlings cost their breeders 30K when the most anyone could have paid was 15K 2 seasons ago The rest is just your usual obsessive garbage. Im starting to think you miss Racecafe such is your continual subtle and non subtle references to it and its contributors on a regular basis. Greg Perhaps you would like me to post all your negative posts since you arrived on this site? Brodie started the thread and you just attacked, start your own threads...and ignore Brodie's if you don't like them! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: sale was true market when ppgwrightson ran the yearling sale when they put a stop too finance the price drop away and some horse only got fully payed for only a week or two before the next years sale so be interesting how the finance side of it how that goes as it pushed prices up too make a higher priced sale I'm hearing you but as the NZSBA rep said breeders needs something positive from sales to reinvest . Somebody recently summed it up with something like an auction finds willing buyers and sellers. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Flagship uberalles said: Perhaps you would like me to post all your negative posts since you arrived on this site? Brodie started the thread and you just attacked, start your own threads...and ignore Brodie's if you don't like them! I'm amazed you haven't Mr Troll It's your preferred style from what I've seen over last 4 or 5 months. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, JJ Flash said: I'm amazed you haven't Mr Troll It's your preferred style from what I've seen over last 4 or 5 months. Greg You clearly came to this site with one agenda, and have been trolling Brodie the whole time....threads started 0 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 28 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Perhaps you would like me to post all your negative posts since you arrived on this site? Brodie started the thread and you just attacked, start your own threads...and ignore Brodie's if you don't like them! negative can be a subjective thing jj flash about the facts brodie the fiction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: negative can be a subjective thing jj flash about the facts brodie the fiction I think we all know who the positive factual people on this thread are. Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: negative can be a subjective thing jj flash about the facts brodie the fiction chief will agree with me back too talking about yearling sale ranga and jj and not fuking attacking brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: negative can be a subjective thing jj flash about the facts brodie the fiction Brodie is Brodie he brought up some good points, personally I couldn't see how small breeders could make money nowadays....it was nice to have the guy from nzsba come on and post and matt Markham .... Brodie puts himself up to start topics whether people agree or not they are good debating points, with out him you would be out of a job!! ? Unfortunately it's tossers like JJ that try and big themselves up and try and be- little someone for putting up an opinion...he was doing it on the shit channel before he Even got here!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 same vendors seem too turn up with poorly turned out horses some look like need good feed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: same vendors seem too turn up with poorly turned out horses some look like need good feed Too much feed eats away at the small profit ..lol! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: chief will agree with me back too talking about yearling sale ranga and jj and not fuking attacking brodie pointing out brodies lies is talking about yearling sales i asked him to provide his cost workings re bettors delight entrants and as usual nothing this is not about brodie it is about what he incorrectly claims if you talked nonsense like him i would pull you up too the advantage you have in this regard is that i have no idea what you are saying on more than a few occasions Edited February 22, 2019 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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