Horseboy Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) Interesting yarn from the BGP page.. Edited April 30, 2018 by Horseboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Option Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 They are a great bunch of lads and very good for the sport of racing...just what the doctor ordered one would have thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) The saying goes find your passion and you'll never work a day in your life Edited May 1, 2018 by Jasper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Never heard of them and I note the boysgetpaid website started this year so query the 2011 date. I have never been into facebook but am curious how 8500 members can suddenly appear. I note many of the "members" are from High Schools so there appears to have been some sort of transfer from an educational database. Have no idea how the follower system works with facebook but am eager to learn. Would seem in order to view the page you become a follower hence a member. Even so to what appears a gambling site with so many high school students is a worry. Given the qualifications and the fact that advertising Ladbrokes is illegal the request for donations would have to be looked upon a bit sceptically but I am open to correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Couldn't be more wrong in most of what you posted T C. I am staggered that in reading the home page speil you have focused on a few points that in your opinion question integrity and legality, neither of which have any basis for you to question. My suggestion is you re- read the message as its pretty bloody clear what they are about and points covered couldnt be more accurate. They are delivering for NZ Racing what old men in grey suits have failed to comprehend for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Barry With all due respects you've got the "old fashioned approach" That is that any criticism is knocking. Its not... with criticism comes improvement. You haven't negated any of the points I've made. If 8500 people can be targeted at once then thats good. But if that 8500 consists mainly of high school students then trying to get them to gamble is wasted. At that age they should be targeted as participants and not as punters or even racegoers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseboy Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Barry With all due respects you've got the "old fashioned approach" That is that any criticism is knocking. Its not... with criticism comes improvement. You haven't negated any of the points I've made. If 8500 people can be targeted at once then thats good. But if that 8500 consists mainly of high school students then trying to get them to gamble is wasted. At that age they should be targeted as participants and not as punters or even racegoers. T C the group is closed so all members are 'authorised' by the admins, people could obviously lie about their age on their own facebook profile but you can't stop that. If you used facebook you would see that plenty of the posters are clearly longer in the tooth than your average high schooler. Though i expect a few would take your claim as a compliment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Barry With all due respects you've got the "old fashioned approach" That is that any criticism is knocking. Its not... with criticism comes improvement. You haven't negated any of the points I've made. If 8500 people can be targeted at once then thats good. But if that 8500 consists mainly of high school students then trying to get them to gamble is wasted. At that age they should be targeted as participants and not as punters or even racegoers. With all due respect, its you with the old fashioned approach. You missed all the top points made and drilled to what you perceived as not right or negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMc Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 hours ago, The Centaur said: Never heard of them and I note the boysgetpaid website started this year so query the 2011 date. I have never been into facebook but am curious how 8500 members can suddenly appear. I note many of the "members" are from High Schools so there appears to have been some sort of transfer from an educational database. Have no idea how the follower system works with facebook but am eager to learn. Would seem in order to view the page you become a follower hence a member. Even so to what appears a gambling site with so many high school students is a worry. Given the qualifications and the fact that advertising Ladbrokes is illegal the request for donations would have to be looked upon a bit sceptically but I am open to correction. BGP HAS A real passion for racing getting new owners in horses around the country at low cost, helping clubs with huge turnovers and also arranging trips to major race events. There is a large amount of race participants as members jockeys, trainers,owners ,punters make up a large %. I can't see any negatives to younger people being involved as they are the future 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Completely agree. I still have that half a crown from the bet that grandpa put on for me when I was 6. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porky Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 My mates Lad (early 20,s), and another mate,( into punters club type social events at the races ) enlightened me of BGP,s existence. Good fun, well organised and can only be positive for the Industry. Lord knows, we need it ! and other similar marketing ventures, to lure newcomers to the game and showpiece racing. Instead of being a drab past-time, viewed by old has beens and scumbags, frequenting seedy bars, pokie rooms and sectioned off areas of clubs (easily by-passed) . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 What a dumb post, idiots like you are why NZ Racing is shagged. Its known as the tall poppy syndrome fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) I agree with The Fish. I have been a BGP follower for 10 months. At first it was fun, but then Luke sold himself to Ladbrokes. I also heard that he boasts at the pub how much revenue he's getting from Ladbrokes and other offshore affiliates. Its pretty clear Luke and BGP are breaking the Racing ACT law. I don't see how tall poppy syndrome has any relevance here barryb. Evidence is pretty clear. Edited May 5, 2018 by Stumpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 He is not breaking the law receiving commissions. For sign ups at Ladbrokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Stumpy said: I agree with The Fish. I have been a BGP follower for 10 months. At first it was fun, but then Luke sold himself to Ladbrokes. I also heard that he boasts at the pub how much revenue he's getting from Ladbrokes and other offshore affiliates. Its pretty clear Luke and BGP are breaking the Racing ACT law. I don't see how tall poppy syndrome has any relevance here barryb. Evidence is pretty clear. It is not illegal for BGP to advertise offshore bookmakers on their Facebook page. The page is not on a NZ domain and the BGP relationship with Ladbrokes is managed by one of their Australian representatives. Therefore they are not contravening any NZ law. The bigger question that should be asked is why aren't they aligned with the NZ TAB? You may find some interesting answers to that question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 1/05/2018 at 3:51 PM, The Centaur said: Barry With all due respects you've got the "old fashioned approach" That is that any criticism is knocking. Its not... with criticism comes improvement. You haven't negated any of the points I've made. If 8500 people can be targeted at once then thats good. But if that 8500 consists mainly of high school students then trying to get them to gamble is wasted. At that age they should be targeted as participants and not as punters or even racegoers. Can you provide some proof that the BGP membership is "mainly high school students"? At the moment it looks like you are drawing a long bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 1/05/2018 at 2:09 PM, The Centaur said: Never heard of them and I note the boysgetpaid website started this year so query the 2011 date. I have never been into facebook but am curious how 8500 members can suddenly appear. I note many of the "members" are from High Schools so there appears to have been some sort of transfer from an educational database. Have no idea how the follower system works with facebook but am eager to learn. Would seem in order to view the page you become a follower hence a member. Even so to what appears a gambling site with so many high school students is a worry. Given the qualifications and the fact that advertising Ladbrokes is illegal the request for donations would have to be looked upon a bit sceptically but I am open to correction. Advertising Ladbrokes by BGP is not illegal due to how the BGP account is managed and the fact that it is not on a NZ domain. Otherwise the NZ TAB would have closed them down ages ago. Do you have proof that there was a "transfer from an educational database"? From what I can see that has about as much foundation that BOAY "stole" the other sites database. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 3 hours ago, The Fish said: You are right The Centaur. Many members on BGP are from a high school database. Luke Kemeys the guy from BGP is an accountant that set up a online tool for school rebates. Coincidence?? No!! Do you have any proof? I doubt it because what you falsely assert is ludicrous. If your statement wasn't so stupid it would be defamatory! Parents, not students, make donations to schools and can claim rebates. Where in that process would there be information on how to contact a student? Your comment regarding The Informant being under investigation by the DIA is false and I have removed it. As is your assertion that BGP are advertising Ladbrokes illegally hence I have removed that post. Congratulations to The Fish - you are the first person to be moderated on BOAY!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 My posting re BGP is in no way an accusation. Its a query. I am curious how a website or facebook entity mainly without any great original material can get 9000 members. The first thing that struck me is why a website into gambling should have so many high school members. Perfectly genuine question. Racecafe which has been going almost 20 years by my estimate would have about 15,000 members although many duplicates. If Internal affairs enforced the advertising law I doubt a judge would agree that simply having the .com suffix means its an overseas site. Quite frankly a weak argument unless everything is managed overseas. The law is quite straight forward... if in NZ you can't advertise overseas bookmakers. Mind you TAB renaming overseas races is a bit over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 BGP 9000 members? Coincidence, where have I heard 9000 members before. I see for $100 they can bus you to the jewels, entry and access to private lounge, 6 beers & food? Seems pretty good. Do they venture to sth island? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 38 minutes ago, The Centaur said: My posting re BGP is in no way an accusation. Its a query. I am curious how a website or facebook entity mainly without any great original material can get 9000 members. The first thing that struck me is why a website into gambling should have so many high school members. Perfectly genuine question. Racecafe which has been going almost 20 years by my estimate would have about 15,000 members although many duplicates. If Internal affairs enforced the advertising law I doubt a judge would agree that simply having the .com suffix means its an overseas site. Quite frankly a weak argument unless everything is managed overseas. The law is quite straight forward... if in NZ you can't advertise overseas bookmakers. Mind you TAB renaming overseas races is a bit over the top. Racecafe does not have 15,000 members. BGP have marketed themselves very well on social media. There is a flaw in there approach in terms of sustainability but we will leave that for another day. As for High School members that is a large proportion of Facebook members. BGP may have targeted that social media channel. Not hard to do. As for the NZ domain vs .com argument the law allows it. That's one of the reasons Racefields Legislation is on a hiding to nothing. The internet is one of those few remaining places where there is freedom. Everyone competes on price. Isn't that how it should be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihikihi Kid Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Personally , as a near pensioner , I think it is incredible to have so many of the younger generation getting a motivation via (BGP) to get back to the races and/or betting ! It's still no guarantee to work but it is SOMETHING and TC i respect your opinions but I think we really need to pump BGP and get the most we can and hope it continues, bloody hell , the Industry has sat on their hands for so long. For instance the TAB supply us with 2 or 3 $25k Pick 6s every week , C'mon , what an insult ! BGP Punters Club Karaka night , what did they get $55k ? or something similar, jeepers , if I ran the TAB/NZRB I'd sack the whole marketing Dept , cos BGP did exactly what they couldn't 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Kihikihi kid, Tell is more about BGP? Do you pay to join? Do clubs give them rooms, food & drink on the proviso that they bet with them? Also, how did that punters club go Karaka, seems a huge amount of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseboy Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share Posted May 6, 2018 15 hours ago, The Centaur said: My posting re BGP is in no way an accusation. Its a query. I am curious how a website or facebook entity mainly without any great original material can get 9000 members. The first thing that struck me is why a website into gambling should have so many high school members. Perfectly genuine question. Racecafe which has been going almost 20 years by my estimate would have about 15,000 members although many duplicates. If Internal affairs enforced the advertising law I doubt a judge would agree that simply having the .com suffix means its an overseas site. Quite frankly a weak argument unless everything is managed overseas. The law is quite straight forward... if in NZ you can't advertise overseas bookmakers. Mind you TAB renaming overseas races is a bit over the top. TC why do you think the members are high school age? I can't see any evidence of that? Given you are not familiar with Facebook by your own admission I think your comment is coming from a lack of understanding of how the platform works. If you want to understand how a facebook page gains 8,500 members so quickly when compared to say a specialised industry forum, consider the fact that contestants on reality TV shows can gain 100k followers in one night. Welcome to 2018 and social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 On 5/05/2018 at 3:18 PM, Chief Stipe said: Your comment regarding The Informant being under investigation by the DIA is false and I have removed it. As is your assertion that BGP are advertising Ladbrokes illegally hence I have removed that post. I believe the DIA received complaints about The Informant advertising BGP logo on the front page on their late February issue. BGP are an affiliate of ladbrokes and other offshore bookmakers. As we know it is illegal in NZ to advertise offshore bookmakers and their affiliates, which the Informant did. Yes, BGP get paid for sign-ups, AND commissions on EVERY bet that signed-up person does for life. That is what an affiliate is. There are many signed up members of these offshore bookmakers, through BGP. BGP are marketing to the NZ racing public - its on BGP header of the website. NZ biggest racing club! along with offshore bookmakers ads. That alone is against the Racing Act! Luke and BGP didnt go with NZ TAB, because the NZ Racing Board couldn't provide BGP commissions for bets made by a members signedup through them. Its not tall poppy. These lads apply a loophole (an overseas administrator!) in the Racing Act for their own profit. These bonus and commissions they get through Ladbrokes is money lost to the NZ racing stakeholders. I work hard in the industry and see our stakes (turnover) declining every year, because of loopholes like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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