Brodie Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 When a horse is a late scratching, why doesn’t the TAB show what the % deduction is for fixed odds Bettors? They must know what the deduction is when the horse is taken out, so why isn’t it shown somewhere? I have often gone to collect and receive a helluva lot less than what I was expecting, due to a late scratching! Can not be that hard can it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, Brodie said: When a horse is a late scratching, why doesn’t the TAB show what the % deduction is for fixed odds Bettors? They must know what the deduction is when the horse is taken out, so why isn’t it shown somewhere? I have often gone to collect and receive a helluva lot less than what I was expecting, due to a late scratching! Can not be that hard can it? you are on the money here champ they prefer you to ring the 0800 number who won't know and they will ring the bookies who should know such muppets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rangatira said: you are on the money here champ You are surely a bro-liever now ranga 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: You are surely a bro-liever now ranga for the time being 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rangatira said: for the time being I'm sure you will be monitoring the situation and. Taking a neither confirm nor deny stance ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 Hopefully, someone from the TAB is reading and puts it to the bigwigs to get sorted! Surely someone will be able to get this sorted, as it is not fair turning up to collect, and you don’t get what your ticket tells you!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Surely someone will be able to get this sorted, as it is not fair turning up to collect, and you don’t get what your ticket tells you!!!!!!! i am not sure that part is solvable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brodie said: Hopefully, someone from the TAB is reading and puts it to the bigwigs to get sorted! Surely someone will be able to get this sorted, as it is not fair turning up to collect, and you don’t get what your ticket tells you!!!!!!! Surely as such a successful professional punter like yourself you are fully aware how to work out the % deducted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, GONSTA said: Surely as such a successful professional punter like yourself you are fully aware how to work out the % deducted? You are kidding aren’t you? All I ask is the % being taken off!! No need for your sarcastic tone of voice, is there???? When the horse is late scratched, are we meant to know what that horse was paying GONSTA???? The results never make any mention of it!!!!!! Edited May 26, 2019 by Brodie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) are you wanting to know the % deduction so you can better assess whether to bus or taxi to your local agent or is the shock uncomfortable in public Edited May 26, 2019 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flagship uberalles Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, Brodie said: You are kidding aren’t you? All I ask is the % being taken off!! No need for your sarcastic tone of voice, is there???? When the horse is late scratched, are we meant to know what that horse was paying GONSTA???? The results never make any mention of it!!!!!! Quite right b-man, nothing worse than thinking you are getting a decent payout then cashing in and "big deduction" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said: Quite right b-man, nothing worse than thinking you are getting a decent payout then cashing in and "big deduction" Dont quite understand how it matters. You know if you have a FO bet on and there is a late scratching you will get a reduced payout if your horse collects. The reduction depents on the weght of money on the scratching. The more favoured the bigger the reduction . You know you are going to collect less than on your ticket, we have all been there. How does knowing the exact amount less you collect make any difference except to dampen the dissapointment. Often late scratchings are either just pre start or after the race If you want to know just look up the % reduction before you collect. ,l would say just be happy your collecting unlike most who have bet on the race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Harewood said: Dont quite understand how it matters. You know if you have a FO bet on and there is a late scratching you will get a reduced payout if your horse collects. The reduction depents on the weght of money on the scratching. The more favoured the bigger the reduction . You know you are going to collect less than on your ticket, we have all been there. How does knowing the exact amount less you collect make any difference except to dampen the dissapointment. Often late scratchings are either just pre start or after the race If you want to know just look up the % reduction before you collect. ,l would say just be happy your collecting unlike most who have bet on the race Harewood, where do you find this % reduction? Where on earth is it shown? You back something on a Thursday night, and your horse is placed! You go to collect and you get several hundred less than what your ticket says!, There was a horse scratched after you backed your horse, and they drop the odds, unbeknown to you! Where is it shown what % is deducted?? Edited May 26, 2019 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Harewood said: ,l would say just be happy your collecting unlike most who have bet on the race it seems investing is nothing like a matter of life or death for you harewood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Harewood said: Dont quite understand how it matters. You know if you have a FO bet on and there is a late scratching you will get a reduced payout if your horse collects. The reduction depents on the weght of money on the scratching. The more favoured the bigger the reduction . You know you are going to collect less than on your ticket, we have all been there. How does knowing the exact amount less you collect make any difference except to dampen the dissapointment. firstly please allow me to apologise on the brodsters behalf for ignoring this portion of your question. not sure this will apply to the brodsters betting (i imagine anything he touches would surely shorten too much to represent value a day or so later) but say you were betting to win 1000 then knowing the deduction % would allow you get some more on (subject to value) to retain the opportunity to win 1000. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I think what is worse is now the delay between on-screen/online odds and real-time is greater for both FOB and Tote than it was before the new system. Even worse if you are watching the TV odds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Harewood, where do you find this % reduction? Where on earth is it shown? You back something on a Thursday night, and your horse is placed! You go to collect and you get several hundred less than what your ticket says!, There was a horse scratched after you backed your horse, and they drop the odds, unbeknown to you! Where is it shown what % is deducted?? The % cannot be shown untill after the race closes and the weight of money on each horse is known. That must be obvious surely. In Aus you are told the % of your reduction so I would think it would be available in NZ . But as the % is not known until after the race does it really matter. You know you are going to get less so just be pissed off there was a late s go collect and find the next winner How do the odds drop unbeknown to you. Everyone knows if there is a late s the odds will drop some degree If its an early scratching the tab will reset their odds so just put more on at the new odds if you're worried about getting less. If its a very late late s then too bad Thats just the way it is according to the regulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: then knowing the deduction % would allow you get some more on (subject to value) to retain the opportunity to win 1000. 1 minute ago, Harewood said: The % cannot be shown untill after the race closes and the weight of money on each horse is known Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 that is not how it is calculated harewood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 What do Bookies do with late scratchings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What do Bookies do with late scratchings? rule a line through ? with time noted ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Just now, Rangatira said: rule a line through ? with time noted ? Sorry please explain? Excuse my ignorance but I'm not a punter and nor am I an Australian brought up playing bookmakers. Though my Uncle was a pub bookie in NZ for a while. Always wondered why he was always on the phone (not a mobile!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Sorry please explain? Excuse my ignorance but I'm not a punter and nor am I an Australian brought up playing bookmakers. Though my Uncle was a pub bookie in NZ for a while. Always wondered why he was always on the phone (not a mobile!). TAB bookies for final field win bet scratchings calculate the deduction as follows 80 divided by the last price of the scratched horse so if the horse was paying $10 the deduction is 8% ( 80 divided by 10 equals 8 ) Edited May 27, 2019 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rangatira said: TAB bookies for final field win bet scratchings calculate the deduction as follows 80 divided by the last price of the scratched horse so if the horse was paying $10 the deduction is 8% ( 80 divided by 10 equals 8 ) I meant REAL bookies not our TAB ones. Apparently the new system does all that odds setting for them! As for the selection of 80 how does that work if the book is over priced? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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