Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Well, if the RIU, JCA and the TAB had their shit together and not be so inconsistent then we would have nothing to talk (moan, complain) about. How do some of these bodies cope with INCA? ? despite the requests made by the Racecourse Inspector to the respondents to provide information emanating from criminal disclosure being deemed both lawful and reasonable by the JCA the RIU are faced with formidable opponents in the form of multiple QC's so i am not sure they meet the threshold for coping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) I see the charge on Nigel McGrath has been dropped, not sufficient evidence. What an absolute balls up and waste of time and bad publicity this has caused! Edited August 12, 2019 by Brodie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brodie said: I see the charge on Nigel McGrath has been dropped, not sufficient evidence. here you go again inventing your own facts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Rangatira said: here you go again inventing your own facts What? It is headlines Ranga!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Brodie said: What? It is headlines Ranga!!!!! Christchurch District Court Judge Raoul Neave dismissed the charge and McGrath was able to walk away. He had no name suppression, but one aspect of the case remains suppressed. Prosecutor Karyn South told the court the Crown believed there was enough evidence but the "public interest test was not met". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Christchurch District Court Judge Raoul Neave dismissed the charge and McGrath was able to walk away. He had no name suppression, but one aspect of the case remains suppressed. Prosecutor Karyn South told the court the Crown believed there was enough evidence but the "public interest test was not met". So the Crown Prosecutor has more credence than the Judge or authority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I hope they sue for costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Christchurch District Court Judge Raoul Neave dismissed the charge and McGrath was able to walk away. He had no name suppression, but one aspect of the case remains suppressed. Prosecutor Karyn South told the court the Crown believed there was enough evidence but the "public interest test was not met". So isn’t the Judge dismissing the charge the same thing as the charge being dropped by the Judge, RANGA!!!!!!!! Not sufficient evidence so charge had to be dropped, he wasn’t found not guilty, the bloody charge was dropped!!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: I hope they sue for costs. they will do for shore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So the Crown Prosecutor has more credence than the Judge or authority? i am not 100% sure what you are getting at here chief usually the crown would present and then the defence and the judge would make his decision based on that i stand to be corrected but a judge can't drop charges but he can dismiss them what i posted was from the stuff article which doesn't support the brodsters version of events. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/114939089/operation-inca-racefixing-charge-against-canterbury-drivertrainer-dropped 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Brodie said: So isn’t the Judge dismissing the charge the same thing as the charge being dropped by the Judge, RANGA!!!!!!!! NO dropping a charge seems like something the police might do Edited August 12, 2019 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rangatira said: i am not 100% sure what you are getting at here chief usually the crown would present and then the defence and the judge would make his decision based on that i stand to be corrected but a judge can't drop charges but he can dismiss them what i posted was from the stuff article which doesn't support the brodsters version of events. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/114939089/operation-inca-racefixing-charge-against-canterbury-drivertrainer-dropped FFS, Ranga, are you deliberately trying to be a pain in the arse! Can not be bothered with you as you are deliberately looking for an argument! Dismissing and dropping to most semi intelligent would be one and the same, but not to you because you just want to be antagonistic! Leave you to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rangatira said: NO dropping a charge seems like something the police might do Dickhead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Brodie said: Dickhead! sufficiently predictable response i doubt i could have got as much as $1.01 Edited August 12, 2019 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Longshot Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: I hope they sue for costs. Sue the Police? I'm not sure that's how things work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: i stand to be corrected but a judge can't drop charges but he can dismiss them 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: here you go again inventing your own facts Good heavens Ranga, give it a rest. If you are going to be so pedantic about individual words and the interpretation of them by one individual then what is the point of discussing things. Dismiss and drop....surely you have better things to do than twist obvious intention to suit your crusade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Rangatira said: i am not 100% sure what you are getting at here chief usually the crown would present and then the defence and the judge would make his decision based on that i stand to be corrected but a judge can't drop charges but he can dismiss them what i posted was from the stuff article which doesn't support the brodsters version of events. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/114939089/operation-inca-racefixing-charge-against-canterbury-drivertrainer-dropped Ranga, go and get into the ones on the Darkside and tell them that charges weren’t dropped, as they are saying the charges against McGrath were DROPPED!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brodie said: Ranga, go and get into the ones on the Darkside and tell them that charges weren’t dropped, as they are saying the charges against McGrath were DROPPED!!! isn't this the darkside 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Good heavens Ranga, give it a rest. If you are going to be so pedantic about individual words and the interpretation of them by one individual then what is the point of discussing things. Dismiss and drop....surely you have better things to do than twist obvious intention to suit your crusade. are you absolutely certain drop and dismiss are identical outcomes happy ? where does withdraw fit into the equation ? Edited August 12, 2019 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rangatira said: are you absolutely certain drop and dismiss are identical outcomes happy ? But when Nowornever said this earlier you didn't seem to have a problem with it. Just when Brodie said it. Just saw Nigel McGrath case was dropped this afternoon for lack of evidence! Yes, there are differences with drop and dismiss but it is not about the words. Playing the man and not the ball seems to be the way at the moment. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rangatira said: are you absolutely certain drop and dismiss are identical outcomes happy ? where does withdraw fit into the equation ? cut the dribble and wipe the cheese off your chin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: But when Nowornever said this earlier you didn't seem to have a problem with it. Just when Brodie said it. Just saw Nigel McGrath case was dropped this afternoon for lack of evidence! was that before i responded to the nasty brodster ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Yes, there are differences with drop and dismiss but it is not about the words. i am not following what you mean, please help me out here what are the differences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Rangatira said: i am not following what you mean, please help me out here what are the differences No thanks. I will leave it there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Happy Sunrise said: No thanks. I will leave it there. shrug 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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