Thomass Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 32 minutes ago, Boulevard21 said: Is Grey Bar Hotel somewhere on the coast? It's just like a prison there for sure.... ...most are either depressed from a lack of Vitamin A or perpetually pissed to take the pain away from being stranded there...hunting for wild moss and/or lichen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 20 hours ago, Thomass said: Oh my....there's about 3 posters belonging to the lunatic fringe here...and you get the loon fringe festival award.... Lets make this abundantly clear for the 'non horseman' sect... Any animal within a confined space, with no means of 'flight' while being prodded with an electric current...with a mob including WEIR...standing by watching ...IS BEING TORTURED Nothing's clearer.... The means to an end was to MAKE MONEY...either through Stake money or the punt... Its criminal fraud 101 and the Grey Bar Hotel is what they deserve.... Good to see you have been released Tom Tom Perhaps you could give us your thoughts on the electrical stunning of animals -before they have their throats cut Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I see nothing has changed with the village idiot,still prattling on about crap that he has no idea about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, Fred said: Good to see you have been released Tom Tom Perhaps you could give us your thoughts on the electrical stunning of animals -before they have their throats cut Thanks Being a 'horseman' I'm surprised at your 'thoughts' on what constitutes animal welfare fweddie ... ...comparing an abattoir to a neddy being TORTURED with electric shocks on a treadmill with no means of escape...while hooded up... ...well it doesn't compare does it? Lets imagine though...and obviously you have a vivid one... ..they were all at it...to improve performance...especially non triers or "bludgers" as the Amatuer rider stated last month.... ...will that grab the hearts and minds of the Mom and Dad's and their wee burgeoning family? ..can't wait for your imagination...thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 26 minutes ago, theshu said: I see nothing has changed with the village idiot,still prattling on about crap that he has no idea about. Just looking through your 'history' section shrew... ...and it resembles the mind of a complete and utter moron with the Gravitas of a single cell amoeba... ...and that's praising you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thomass said: Just looking through your 'history' section shrew... ...and it resembles the mind of a complete and utter moron with the Gravitas of a single cell amoeba... ...and that's praising you... Enough of that shyte Thomass (pot, kettle, black) and one last warning get rid of your ellipses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 To get back to the Weir biso - I was trying to work out how to put my thoughts, but Thommo had it in a nutshell. The ' torture' aspect is all to do with the horse's confinement. Many legends of the training ranks have used 'jiggers' or 'prodders' to get a specific response. You would be surprised at the great names in the list...my former boss used jiggers on the odd occasion ...there's an amusing story connected to one incident but I won't digress just yet..! How does a human train an animal to modify its behaviour ? a horse should ALWAYS be confident, relaxed and happy to be with you, he should understand [ if handled sensibly ] that a rub around his head and ears is what he can expect if he brings his head to you. He should NEVER be handled roughly around the head. But how does one explain to a horse what is wanted outside of that? write him a letter? put him in the naughty corner ? The best operators present the horse with options. The preferred option should always result in a pleasant experience for the horse, the not -wanted option should be less pleasant. Whether that is a firm tug on the headcollar / chifney if ignoring the leader, hand pressure becoming a dig in the ribs if moving over is required; or a stronger leg aid, or a reinforcement of the leg aid with a whip or spur - the horse has the OPTION . He can remove the stimulus he doesn't care for by responding - in this case, go forward - or ignore the request and receive a stronger command. His reward is the cessation of the stimulus. The hammering of horses with whips raceday is an extension of that principle. The whip is applied to [ supposedly ] galvanise greater effort by the animal. But, if the horse is already doing its best, and the whip continues to be applied, what message does that give? it can't remove the annoyance by going faster, and eventually, it has to slow down...at which point the encumbrance on top sits up. That horse has now been taught to give up when hit. To think that a professional horseman could confine a horse and repeatedly apply a stimulus that it cannot answer is torture indeed. Nothing to do with electric fences. Any smart horse won't touch one after the first lesson, and I've seen clever ponies carefully listening for the pulse of the current and diving through to greener pastures at the right moment. No fear there, just [ again ] a conditioned response. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Anyone ever used a nose twitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Freda said: To think that a professional horseman could confine a horse and repeatedly apply a stimulus that it cannot answer is torture indeed. How many horses did Weir have on his books and how many of his clients were dissatisfied ? He will go down in history as one of Australasia's greatest ever trainers. His charges had to be at peak fitness (mentally and physically) to perform as well as they have. A vets hypodermic needle would be just as fearsome for a horse as the common bull prodder ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: How many horses did Weir have on his books and how many of his clients were dissatisfied ? He will go down in history as one of Australasia's greatest ever trainers. His charges had to be at peak fitness (mentally and physically) to perform as well as they have. A vets hypodermic needle would be just as fearsome for a horse as the common bull prodder ! Jesus Billy, I knew you were battling Parkinson's but dementia, poor old Pamela must have her hands full, no, not Pam R, the other Chch girl, Pam S....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 As Freda or anyone at the coal face will tell you the use of 'jiggers' is and has been widespread. I complained to the racecourse inspector back in the eighties about one particular trainer only to be told "they are all using it" Vicks sales soared. But it is not a tazer and a decent cut with a bullwhip or cane would hurt more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) On 16/10/2019 at 3:38 PM, Fred said: As Freda or anyone at the coal face will tell you the use of 'jiggers' is and has been widespread. I complained to the racecourse inspector back in the eighties about one particular trainer only to be told "they are all using it" Vicks sales soared. But it is not a tazer and a decent cut with a bullwhip or cane would hurt more. times have changed. Attitudes have changed. We are no longer in the 1960s or even 1980s. NZ has an opportunity to be among the leaders over whip use, ideally banning it in races. Edited October 17, 2019 by Weasel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 That opportunity has gonnnne now wrt WHIP Stupidly NZTR simply copied the Australian rule last week and there's no way in hell it'll change again for another 3/4 years at least... Massive opportunity lost...especially with this ABC program about to hit our shores... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 On 16/10/2019 at 2:09 PM, billy connolly said: How many horses did Weir have on his books and how many of his clients were dissatisfied ? He will go down in history as one of Australasia's greatest ever trainers. His charges had to be at peak fitness (mentally and physically) to perform as well as they have. A vets hypodermic needle would be just as fearsome for a horse as the common bull prodder ! It's a real shame the GRUB wasn't rubbed out after his VAST earlier crooked behaviour... ....including milk shaking...or was the tube they found on him for a quick self colonic? Just change the rules.... RULE 101 'ANYONE caught carrying out a serious racing offence gets the DCM' Go find another hobby chump...importing drugs or waiting on a deserted beach ready for a Mule drop off... ...quicker bucks than jigging or tubing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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