Chief Stipe Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackM Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 ...Straight from the ' Horse`s Mouth ' ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hesi Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Peters comes across as plausible as he could be, interesting times ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Comes across as not having a clue to me. Passing the buck to Messara. Where did he get the $1.6 billion industry from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 hours ago, barryb said: Pike and Baker have been within the industry for a while as leading advocates in their field. They both appear very vocal, about poor performance over many years, and rightly so, but I'm just wondering what they did as main players in their field to bring about change. Did they lobby previous ministers, leaders of the RB and NZTR to do something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, curious said: Comes across as not having a clue to me. Passing the buck to Messara. Where did he get the $1.6 billion industry from? Maybe, but still carried it off pretty well, I suppose he is a politician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, hesi said: Pike and Baker have been within the industry for a while as leading advocates in their field. They both appear very vocal, about poor performance over many years, and rightly so, but I'm just wondering what they did as main players in their field to bring about change. Did they lobby previous ministers, leaders of the RB and NZTR to do something? Bang on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 He certainly trumped John Allen who comes across as defensive, hapless and with absolutely zippo in any rationale for what they are doing. Nothing surprising to me from either of them. He kept talking about the Karaka sales. Isn't he the Minister for Racing? What's the bet that the budget thing alluded to is a tax break for wealthy breeders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 How long has Peters been an M P.? If this is the best he can come up with then Racing will continue it's downward spiral. If he had been interested in Racing at all then he would have used his down time,when not a Minister.to work on some of the problems in racing today. Well past his use by date,but as we all know his main goal is to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 8 hours ago, hesi said: Pike and Baker have been within the industry for a while as leading advocates in their field. They both appear very vocal, about poor performance over many years, and rightly so, but I'm just wondering what they did as main players in their field to bring about change. Did they lobby previous ministers, leaders of the RB and NZTR to do something? Not effectively if at all...and why would anyone lobby NZTR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 $660,000 per annum - wow somebody on that salary and with that much confidence in Racing must own a few horses. Does anyone know their names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 1 hour ago, von Smallhaussen said: $660,000 per annum - wow somebody on that salary and with that much confidence in Racing must own a few horses. Does anyone know their names? No, but other racing leaders who raced 90 horses couldn't name them either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxie Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 12 hours ago, hesi said: Pike and Baker have been within the industry for a while as leading advocates in their field. They both appear very vocal, about poor performance over many years, and rightly so, but I'm just wondering what they did as main players in their field to bring about change. Did they lobby previous ministers, leaders of the RB and NZTR to do something? It appears after Saturday that the Trainers Association President doesn't even know the rules of racing.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 An old hobby horse of mine I still believe it is the dysfunctional model under which racing is operated, that prevents many skilled leaders in the industry from making headway. Sure there have been some hapless cases, Andrew Brown and his 5 year plan Racing Ahead was fantasy stuff. But there also have been many who have achieved much in the business world, who also had a passion for the thoroughbred. Hopefully apart from costs, which seems to be at the top of everyone's hit list, Messara will put forward a new model. And another hobby horse of mine. Peters(or someone) alludes to a time when it was just Racing and Golden Kiwi. Well as the other avenues for wagering and entertainment came along, Racing did not compete, because it was not set up to compete. Lots of clubs, many smaller, bound loosely by a body that does not even have a marketing budget. I've likened this in the past to each Lotto outlet doing it's own marketing, with it's own format and budget. Of course it doesn't and we have seem some pretty major feelgood marketing over the years, that now sees what is just another form of gambling with the associated negatives, accepted into every living room in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 The whole bloody thing is so sad and sick.....now Baker and Pike are whinging, Chris Wood came out years ago and gave them stick.....and apparently resigned due to disillusion and despair, meanwhile the 'leading trainers' kept on enjoying the rarified air that Cambridge seems to exude. Spare me, where were you guys when the likes of Paul Belsham had to walk away? and now Peters is going to turn things around. You must remember, the industries reserves were plundered in order to 'up' the stakes to the min K10, that has to be paid back before any initiatives are implemented, surely? you can't just rob Peter to pay Paul.....maybe the age old analogy ''it has to get worse before it gets better'' is in play here, well the foal crop being what it is, stakes being what they are, and the admin of NZ racing being what it is, how much worse can it get? Love Peters, or hate him, or just siting on the fence, the procurement of John Messara was much needed, at least he may steer NZRB in the right direction by adopting a successful and workable business and sporting model that saves and invigorates NZ Racing.....long term it won't worry me, we got out, but for you decent hard working buggers at the coal face, who don't have the option or luxury of re-locating I just hope that a positive outcome is enjoyed by all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porky Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 On 14/05/2018 at 8:15 PM, hesi said: On 15/05/2018 at 10:22 AM, Rowley Mile said: Love Peters, or hate him, or just siting on the fence, the procurement of John Messara was much needed, at least he may steer NZRB in the right direction by adopting a successful and workable business and sporting model that saves and invigorates NZ Racing.... Mates that would chuck in 50 bucks ea. to be in a syndicate days...HAVE GONE The miracle Peters / Messara recovery package.? (the new owner , and racegoer needs to be encouraged through marketing and well advertised race meetings (in advance)...(subsidised free gates / rebates / incentives) the flow on effect, will echo through all facets of the industry UPWARDS to breeders. k300 a year is still K6 a week and a livable salary. (if you don,t like it...someone else will ! ) The extra k$350 odd = k7 a week to boost the feature race... That would start the ball rolling at the kick-off (IMHO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Bang on Porky, its the sole reason why I have dropped from 5 horses to now 2, its absolutely impossible to find more than 1 or 2 to take shares in a horse. Its also a self full filling situation from many in the industry moaning about there plight discourages people from investing. I for one would love to own a few more but just cannot now be bothered with the hassle of chasing prospective owners. I bought a lovely filly at the yearling sales this year and I am holding 70% of her myself, I have found 2 people to take 15% each & that's without really trying I might add. 1 or 2 more taking shares would be great but its a tough road finding them today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I'm hoping JM will adopt your ideas and suggestions Porky, the salaries for underachieving people are obscene, no objection to big salaries Porky if the results warrant them.....but it is sickening to think JA was suggesting his 600K was 'acceptable'.......and warranted........FFS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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