Thomass Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 So Mick finally does some 'investigative journalism' on Weigh Inn over the HQ 2yo race... ...and comes to the conclusion... "someone's lying"....with a strong bent it's the RIU... Who called the inquiry in the first place...Why has the JCA report got an incorrect version of what happened according to most...but not the RIU? Then Brain De Lore writes up on his blog about..."why didn't Oatham call a key witness in the runner up's Jockey...even though Ellis forebade her from talking" The whole episode casts the Thoroughbred Industry in a very unprofessional light... ...no wonder many at NZTR want the INTEGRITY function returned to Thoroughbreds...not some 'private' company outsourcing lark... Cant wait for Godbar to sort the farcical situation on the wireless with Earley tomorrow...yea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The perfect result for TA. Keeping up appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 You'd have to say it was with great reluctance though holy... Forbidding your Jock from talking is hardly a positive nod to get the perfect result... Guerin then went on to comment about the shocking inconsistencies in the RIU processes... He showed the Tina Commenagie sitting up horror vid on Buck Shellfish last week...and asked Emily her opinion seeing as Opee got put out for exactly the same thing... ...but then spoiled the the whole thing when showing some very minor interference when comparing the HQ 2 yo race...where DJ nearly fell off while pulling right hand down... ...and Sammy Collett having to stop using the whip...with some Magoos saying "she didn't stop riding" ...when she did from what she was doing....Whip to pushing out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 You'd have to say it was with great reluctance though holy... Forbidding your Jock from talking is hardly a positive nod to get the perfect result... Guerin then went on to comment about the shocking inconsistencies in the RIU processes... He showed the Tina Commenagie sitting up horror vid on Buck Shellfish last week...and asked Emily her opinion seeing as Opee got put out for exactly the same thing... ...but then spoiled the the whole thing when showing some very minor interference when comparing the HQ 2 yo race...where DJ nearly fell off while pulling right hand down... ...and Sammy Collett having to stop using the whip...with some Magoos saying "she didn't stop riding" ...when she did from what she was doing....Whip to pushing out forbidding your jockey from saying you would not have beaten the winner despite any interference ,may have had a bearing,I suggest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Forbidding your Jock from talking is hardly a positive nod to get the perfect result... In your initial post on this subject you inferred the opposite I.e. Mr Ellis was doing his mates at Cambridge Stud a favour! You can't have it both ways. Well maybe YOU can. The Jockey apparently was of the opinion that the filly would have won regardless of any interference. HOWEVER the Stipes AND the JCA are quite within their rights to ask the jockey to give evidence. Mr Ellis didn't prevent the jockey from giving evidence they just decided not to protest. Which is well within their rights. As for De Lore he got the process factually wrong in his article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 In your initial post on this subject you inferred the opposite I.e. Mr Ellis was doing his mates at Cambridge Stud a favour! You can't have it both ways. Well maybe YOU can. The Jockey apparently was of the opinion that the filly would have won regardless of any interference. HOWEVER the Stipes AND the JCA are quite within their rights to ask the jockey to give evidence. Mr Ellis didn't prevent the jockey from giving evidence they just decided not to protest. Which is well within their rights. As for De Lore he got the process factually wrong in his article. No my line has been consistent. TA wins by appearing to be reluctant to protest at all,Oatham and co do the bizo...result favours TA...the successful protest when you don't want a ..protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: No my line has been consistent. TA wins by appearing to be reluctant to protest at all,Oatham and co do the bizo...result favours TA...the successful protest when you don't want a ..protest. Are you and Thomaas one and the same? Regardless the focus should be on the Stipes AND the JCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 its all about ...comprehension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 15 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: In your initial post on this subject you inferred the opposite I.e. Mr Ellis was doing his mates at Cambridge Stud a favour! You can't have it both ways. Well maybe YOU can. The Jockey apparently was of the opinion that the filly would have won regardless of any interference. HOWEVER the Stipes AND the JCA are quite within their rights to ask the jockey to give evidence. Mr Ellis didn't prevent the jockey from giving evidence they just decided not to protest. Which is well within their rights. As for De Lore he got the process factually wrong in his article. Yep Davo has actioned the 'mock indignation' thing... Forbidding an owner actioned inquiry, rubber stamped by suggesting him and his Jockey won't be talking... ...while knowing his Jockey had to stop using the whip from the massive interference...and fait a complee He gets brownie points off his mate while winning to qualify for Karaka...win win Guerin and De Lore are trained Journos...they can sniff lies at 20 paces Guerin "someone's telling lies" Yea...what he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 You don't appear to have comprehended either article. Both are pointing the finger at the process and the officials. But you keep plugging your conspiracy theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 You don't appear to have comprehended either article. Both are pointing the finger at the process and the officials. But you keep plugging your conspiracy theories. this ones for you..Chief….'physician...heal...thyself'!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 So the ex Thoroughbred Media Award winning recipient Pete Earily was ON THE JOB yesterday... ...if you can't rely on an investigate like journo in Pete....there there there...to get to the bottom of "someone's telling lies" bizzo...who the f can?? Petey to RIU head Mick Gobder "well Mick, that 2 yo inquiry from last week...we'll just let that go to the keeper shall we Mick..we delt with that" "yes yes let's do that Pete" F me... 'Dealing' with it entailed BOTH men having failed to read the JCA report the previous week... It simply indicative of how the Racing Industry handles INTEGRITY here... ..a complicit non independent Racing Media sucking up to each other The only real Independent Racing Media? Brian De Lore and Jonny Turner...the rest are in the pockets of various sector groups... Read and weep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Shoudn't be surprised tommo. Godber is as weak as piss. Even tho I have decided to 'eschew' ( what a lovely word!) NZ racing I still have sources there and hear that complaints are forthcoming from some high placed trainers about the j.c.a. especially stevie wonder doolly who just follows whatever oathum of the riu wants, and also the farce in the hearing when neither oathum or j.c.a. people bothered to ask the affected rider any questions....surely thats step number 1 when a situation like this protest arises? How could they reach any decision until sam collett said-either way-if she was affected by the bump she got? I'm hearing she has told people she didn't think she would have won anyway....!! Can't wait for a similar enquiry in a group race, lets see how the so called experts go then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Well news on that front yesterday koppa is the very possibility the RIU/JCA are going to combine... In other words experienced ex Jockeys such as Stipe Williamson will be making the decision to relegate rather than hanging wannabe Cloth Heads like Dooley... ...and all the extra expense that entails....a GOLD rimmed Judicial Quasi Body we simply don't need... ...the Australian procedural system then...with an ability to appeal..albeit without affecting a final race result...that would be ridiculous of course... But back to the MECHANICS rather than whether the decision was correct... Having the deep suspicion of the RIU LYING their wee tongues off in this case lease a FOWL taste in the mouth... ...so until they get the Royal DCM...soon to be actioned... They should remove INTEGRITY from their title...they're az bereft from that as could be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I have spoken with several jocks at Trentham and again at Hastings yesterday. Not one agreed with the decision and were unanimous that the change of placings was completely wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 16 hours ago, Thomass said: Well news on that front yesterday koppa is the very possibility the RIU/JCA are going to combine... In other words experienced ex Jockeys such as Stipe Williamson will be making the decision to relegate rather than hanging wannabe Cloth Heads like Dooley... ...and all the extra expense that entails....a GOLD rimmed Judicial Quasi Body we simply don't need... ...the Australian procedural system then...with an ability to appeal..albeit without affecting a final race result...that would be ridiculous of course... But back to the MECHANICS rather than whether the decision was correct... Having the deep suspicion of the RIU LYING their wee tongues off in this case lease a FOWL taste in the mouth... ...so until they get the Royal DCM...soon to be actioned... They should remove INTEGRITY from their title...they're az bereft from that as could be... Do you think, that the 'Royal DCM' will produce a slick, professional replacement ? ...or not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Good question freda.... Something about rotting fish. Head... Giving INTEGRITY a 3 code bent has been a disaster for THOROUGHBREDS as well... And the JCA was a 'luxury' the hard up Industry could ill afford...simply rubber stamping what a good Stipe already knows... So the Burgess report recommended the bleedin obvious...get rid Lets hope the ignorant Godber is the first to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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