curious Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, holy ravioli said: what exactly are these 'growth' stocks you speak of? You'll have to figure that out yourself Lord Pasta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, holy ravioli said: what exactly are these 'growth' stocks you speak of? Well they certainly aren't Bazza's two losing punting systems that crashed and burned so spectacularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 18 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Didn't seem to worry Alabama Express at the weekend did it? Or does being a "three yr old after Christmas" nullify the "hard run 3 wide without cover"? Here's da news... Not all neddys are ROBOTS...ok? Some like it tight...Some like open air and their ability can nullify a tuff run... Theres no steadfast computer 'code' when it comes to animals...wtf knew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: Some like it tight...Some like open air and their ability can nullify a tuff run... Theres no steadfast computer 'code' when it comes to animals...wtf knew? So why the hell worry about those things that you can't assess comparatively or quantitatively when punting? Unless of course you are looking for excuses AFTER the fact. Your Blueprint is looking decidedly Grey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So why the hell worry about those things that you can't assess comparatively or quantitatively when punting? Unless of course you are looking for excuses AFTER the fact. Your Blueprint is looking decidedly Grey! As I've said countless times... I TRUST THE TRAINER... If a neddy has achieved Blue Print status....you know...superior form back to inferior...after accepting wide without cover runs et el....clearly not out of form and no gear being applied as a last ditch attempt.. ...and trainers like Jammie who have become experts at identifying a horse's needs... ...case in point... IN A TWINKLING recieving a cross over nose band...admittedly advice from his TA partner in Singapore... ...and turning its form completely around that and those...ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 12 hours ago, curious said: You'll have to figure that out yourself Lord Pasta. you just confirmed you can't identify these 'growth' stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Thomass said: I TRUST THE TRAINER... Except you don't trust "some" trainers. For example Clayton Chipperfield - who when you combine his jockey, pre-training and training history has as much experience (if not more) than Richards. 4 hours ago, Thomass said: ...and trainers like Jammie who have become experts at identifying a horse's needs... 5 hours ago, Thomass said: ...case in point... IN A TWINKLING recieving a cross over nose band...admittedly advice from his TA partner in Singapore... ...and turning its form completely around Most trainers work to minimise the amount of gear on a horse - not increase it. That is they train and educate a horse. Training doesn't just involve pitching up in the morning and putting the jock up, telling them to gallop 1000m at three quarter pace. A good example of people who train horses is Chris Waller. Look as his work on Nature Strip? As for In A Twinkling the poor horse has more gear notified than most - Approved Plates, Norton Bit, Visor Blinkers, Barrier Blanket, Nose Band, Tongue Tie - has even had "Cheek Burrs" - whatever they are. They don't sound nice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I'm not knocking Jamie Richards - please don't get me wrong. But how many horses has he pre-trained or broken in compared to Clayton Chipperfield? In my opinion those that do the breaking in and pre-training and turn out a professional athlete are the real trainers. Unfortunately they don't get any of the glamour or the monetary rewards that the end of the line trainers get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I'm not knocking Jamie Richards - please don't get me wrong. But how many horses has he pre-trained or broken in compared to Clayton Chipperfield? In my opinion those that do the breaking in and pre-training and turn out a professional athlete are the real trainers. Unfortunately they don't get any of the glamour or the monetary rewards that the end of the line trainers get. What a load of old tosh... Tatoo this across the old noggin PRE TRAINING KNOWLEDGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GEAR CHANGES UNDER RACE CONDITIONS.... Chips is a good horseman...but very little knowledge of when to add gear to enhance race day performance Jammie has 4 of the last 5 Million winners with added gear... ...and you say "he should have been working to minimise gear" Haha..put a sock on its noggin and call it 'no f in idea' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 A real trainer does the breaking in and the early work -that is why they are termed trainers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Thomass said: PRE TRAINING KNOWLEDGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GEAR CHANGES UNDER RACE CONDITIONS.... Scratch this in the egg on your face. Breaking in and pre-training a horse if done properly can teach good attributes - done wrongly it can teach them bad behaviours. You obviously know NOTHING about training a horse. 13 minutes ago, Thomass said: Chips is a good horseman...but very little knowledge of when to add gear to enhance race day performance Bollocks - his CV would say the contrary. What he probably does know is how to train a horse to REMOVE gear. 14 minutes ago, Thomass said: Jammie has 4 of the last 5 Million winners with added gear... ...and you say "he should have been working to minimise gear" Yes - that should be the goal of any trainer. He has done that with Te Akau Shark for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 48 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Scratch this in the egg on your face. Breaking in and pre-training a horse if done properly can teach good attributes - done wrongly it can teach them bad behaviours. You obviously know NOTHING about training a horse. Bollocks - his CV would say the contrary. What he probably does know is how to train a horse to REMOVE gear. Yes - that should be the goal of any trainer. He has done that with Te Akau Shark for instance. FFS.... Are you saying Jammie's Breakers are hopeless? Both Jammie and Muzza Baker are HUGE gear users...almost every horse has a shit load on... And since Da Sharks TT went on...nek minute CAREER BEST PERFORMANCES Let this naked running go... Just because you exercise in the nuddy doesn't mean horse's will go faster as naked as the day they were born... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Thomass said: Are you saying Jammie's Breakers are hopeless? I don't know who breaks the Te Akau yearlings in. However that year from yearling to two year old is critical in the education of a racehorse. I also believe that any behavioural issue can be trained our of a horse. For example surely you can train a horse to not need a barrier attendant standing in the stall holding the horses head before the get go or even train out the need to have a barrier blanket. The issue is of course it takes time and patience. 13 minutes ago, Thomass said: Both Jammie and Muzza Baker are HUGE gear users...almost every horse has a shit load on... That is a gross generalisation. However perhaps they should look closely at the processes BEFORE they get the horses that they finish off to race. What is the time frame for the first preparation after breaking in and pre-training? Six weeks to first race? 16 minutes ago, Thomass said: And since Da Sharks TT went on...nek minute CAREER BEST PERFORMANCES What just a Tongue Tie? You thought it only happened last weekend. Or did his performances improve once they took the blinkers off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Oh my... You're making yourself look plain STUPID now Stop wasting anymore time on this If you're so concerned Email Jammie and Muzza and relay your concerns their Breakers are f in hopeless...ok? Otherwise take Jonsey's advice..."put a sock in it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 You're the one that's stupid after all you were crowing that The Shark had a tongue tie on for the first time last start! When in fact he had it on for the previous three. Idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You're the one that's stupid after all you were crowing that The Shark had a tongue tie on for the first time last start! When in fact he had it on for the previous three. Idiot. Have you been hanging around live animal markets per chance? Batts even? The IDJOIT's here are NZTR... Constantly complaining they need more PUNTERS... Then proceed to publicise the BEST horse in NZ is having a TT on first time ... When it wasn't.... You see they expected their VALUED PUNTERS...to troll through the Australian web sites for Da Sharks gear changes IMAGINE the NZ Stock Exchange treating their customers so badly...that'd be Inside Trading wouldn't it? Instructing investors that it's a FACT..when it's not Edited February 11, 2020 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Thomass said: Oh my... You're making yourself look plain STUPID now Stop wasting anymore time on this If you're so concerned Email Jammie and Muzza and relay your concerns their Breakers are f in hopeless...ok? Can't be anymore stupid than you on this subject. However lets take IN A TWINKLING as an example. He has had the following gear added: Lugging bit - this is to stop hanging/lugging and allows the jockey to put more pressure on the side of the mouth; Norton bit - used to stop a horse from pulling by putting pressure on the upper side of the mouth; Cross over nose band - stops a horse running with its mouth open and pulling. Extreme measure to use for racing; Cheek burrs - a round disc with raised prickers on it. Used to control hanging or refusal to turn its head; Tongue Tie - used to keep the tongue in place and stop its movement. Doesn't all that gear indicate that the horse has tractability issues? Were they caused by poor breaking in and poor mouthing? Who knows. But if as a trainer I kept getting horses that required this gear to eliminate this gear I would be checking things to ensure there isn't a common factor involved. I read a recent article regarding a high priced yearling who was going through its two year old preparation. It showed promise however the trainers pulled back from proceeding due to it having racing behaviour issues. They then focussed on those issues through retraining and re-mouthing. The horse has come back into work with those issues resolved. Many of our top trainers only pick up their horses 6-8 weeks out from racing with many months spent breaking in and pre-training elsewhere. No I'm not as arrogant as you to say I know everything about horse racing or what gear they require. You profess to be an expert on it. But as one of New Zealand's best horse breakers said to me the aim is to minimise gear and there are many ways to train a horses behaviour without resorting to extreme measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Constantly complaining they need more PUNTERS... Then proceed to publicise the BEST horse in NZ is having a TT on first time ... When it wasn't.... You see they expected their VALUED PUNTERS...to troll through the Australian web sites for Da Sharks gear changes Most punters would have picked up it wore a tongue tie for the first time in Australia the first time it did. Just as I did and I parked that information in the back of my mind. You obviously missed it. Which I find strange as wasn't one of The Shark's race's with the Tongue TIe on your Blueprint special? E.g. the Cox Plate and part of your 170,000/1? You are a fraud and you are back tracking quicker than a snake caught in a wagon rut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Can't be anymore stupid than you on this subject. However lets take IN A TWINKLING as an example. She has had the following gear added: Lugging bit - this is to stop hanging/lugging and allows the jockey to put more pressure on the side of the mouth; Norton bit - used to stop a horse from pulling by putting pressure on the upper side of the mouth; Cross over nose band - stops a horse running with its mouth open and pulling. Extreme measure to use for racing; Cheek burrs - a round disc with raised prickers on it. Used to control hanging or refusal to turn its head; Tongue Tie - used to keep the tongue in place and stop its movement. Doesn't all that gear indicate that the horse has tractability issues? Were they caused by poor breaking in and poor mouthing? Who knows. But if as a trainer I kept getting horses that required this gear to eliminate this gear I would be checking things to ensure there isn't a common factor involved. I read a recent article regarding a high priced yearling who was going through its two year old preparation. It showed promise however the trainers pulled back from proceeding due to it having racing behaviour issues. They then focussed on those issues through retraining and re-mouthing. The horse has come back into work with those issues resolved. Many of our top trainers only pick up their horses 6-8 weeks out from racing with many months spent breaking in and pre-training elsewhere. No I'm not as arrogant as you to say I know everything about horse racing or what gear they require. You profess to be an expert on it. But as one of New Zealand's best horse breakers said to me the aim is to minimise gear and there are many ways to train a horses behaviour without resorting to extreme measures. IN A T is a he....and you left off the Barrier Blanket he used to have...but the HOPELESS Ellerslie starters left off in the Derby...beaten a lip after being SLOW OUT... Seriously...send Muzza And Jammie this "best breaker's" name ffs...get this naked racing thing going...cant wait MELODY BELLE PRe race ear covers, concussion plates, lugging bit, Blinkers, nasal strip, Tongue tie Cant wait to see her naked as well...is that wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Most punters would have picked up it wore a tongue tie for the first time in Australia the first time it did. Just as I did and I parked that information in the back of my mind. You obviously missed it. Which I find strange as wasn't one of The Shark's race's with the Tongue TIe on your Blueprint special? E.g. the Cox Plate and part of your 170,000/1? You are a fraud and you are back tracking quicker than a snake caught in a wagon rut. Yep I did...I don't bet there... No, the FRAUD is NZTR.... Te AKAU Shark TT FIRST TIME Was FAKE FRAUDULENT NEWS Punters should be able to rely on ACCURATE Racing Information... Not "keep things in the back of their mind" FFS Especially NZ's Best horse... ...anything else is FAKE NEWS BULLSHIT Suffice to say it's last 4 efforts since it was applied have been his best.... Either going in the Wind...or playing with it....like you Edited February 11, 2020 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: MELODY BELLE PRe race ear covers, concussion plates, lugging bit, Blinkers, nasal strip, Tongue tie Cant wait to see her naked as well...is that wrong? I never said it was wrong. How do you explain they don't need barrier blankets in Japan? Nor do they allow barrier attendants up on the gates holding a horse during the start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Thomass said: Yep I did...I don't bet there... No, the FRAUD is NZTR.... Te AKAU Shark TT FIRST TIME Was FAKE FRAUDULENT NEWS Punters should be able to rely on ACCURATE Racing Information... Not "keep things in the back of their mind" FFS Especially NZ's Best horse... ...anything else is FAKE NEWS BULLSHIT Keep back tracking Thomaas. The fact is you didn't know about the Tongue Tie first time until AFTER the race when you looked at the results. Any serious punter would have known the Te Akau Shark gear change first happened in OZ. But we know you are not a serious punter don't we? Also a serious punter probably wouldn't have taken much notice of the gear change in terms of assessing value. So we can't trust your stupid blueprint in OZ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Chief, the BP is only effective on Monday morning for Saturday previous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Let it go son... You're getting spanked..but now I'm concerned you're starting to enjoy humiliation.... I trusted the official gear information of both NZTR and TAB They gave out FAKE INFORMATION... Ordinary Joe and Josephine Punters HAVE A RIGHT TO ACCURACY Not "keep that in the back of my mind because I cant trust the official nz racing website" Yea that BULLSHIT Tatoo that across Da old noggin Iron Stain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Na Thomaas you've been well and truly humiliated and exposed as a fraud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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