Arsenic Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Can anyone enlighten us on where this drama is going or gone, has he appealed the fine?? Sad thing about this whole affair everyone’s guilty except them , clearly won’t take any responsibility to what happens in their stable.. What does make matters worse is trying to get a comment from M Godber is like extracting teeth with a tooth pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) Apparently, from what has been said, they have appealed the fine. Odd question to ask when you have knowledge about the situation and ask about Godber in all of this. As for responsibility, it is very rare for anyone to take responsibility for anything they do so they are no different. Maybe they aren't guilty, who would truly know. Who is trying to get a comment from Mr Godber? In what context do you ask that question? What do you want him to say? Edited May 21, 2018 by Happy Sunrise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 No doubt The Doctor will be chipping away at the Dunn’s, giving plenty of advice. Funny , that even with The Doctors courtlike speech, they still pleaded guilty? ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 No that’s why I ask the question, I’m not aware of what is happening in this case but would like to know. As to asking about Mr Godber I have heard him on several occasions being interviewed by P Earley on the radio trackside and he is not what you would call open to discussing about the Dunn case or for that matter any case under investigation by the RIU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 The Dunn’s had to plead guilty to the charges as the horses had the presence of Caffeine in their system, but that doesn’t mean that they were actually involved in giving the horses something with caffeine in it! Caffeine is an easy thing to test for apparently, so I personally give the Dunn’s a bit more credit than needing to administer caffeine at Nelson where they would normally win many races, and has it ever been proven that Caffeine would actually improve a standardbred horse’s ability to race better? It is common knowledge that some trainers have different means of improving a horses ability dramatically which is not illegal at the moment, however it is clearly giving trainers a helluva advantage over other trainers. It is not an even playing field out there and probably never will be!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBlacki Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 “It is not an even playing field out there and probably never will be!!” Do you need a university degree for that Brodie?......stating the bleeding obvious.? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 No university degree required to make statements I wouldn’t have thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBlacki Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Brodie, I was being cynical. What you stated was very correct. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Arsenic said: No that’s why I ask the question, I’m not aware of what is happening in this case but would like to know. As to asking about Mr Godber I have heard him on several occasions being interviewed by P Earley on the radio trackside and he is not what you would call open to discussing about the Dunn case or for that matter any case under investigation by the RIU. Fair enough, Arsenic. It is all cloak and daggers with this sort of thing so if you aren't in the gossip loop one would never know what is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 19 hours ago, Brodie said: The Dunn’s had to plead guilty to the charges as the horses had the presence of Caffeine in their system, but that doesn’t mean that they were actually involved in giving the horses something with caffeine in it! Caffeine is an easy thing to test for apparently, so I personally give the Dunn’s a bit more credit than needing to administer caffeine at Nelson where they would normally win many races, and has it ever been proven that Caffeine would actually improve a standardbred horse’s ability to race better? It is common knowledge that some trainers have different means of improving a horses ability dramatically which is not illegal at the moment, however it is clearly giving trainers a helluva advantage over other trainers. It is not an even playing field out there and probably never will be!! I don’t care for all the bullshit stories, fact is it’s a banned substance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I race better with a coffee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Newmarket said: I don’t care for all the bullshit stories, fact is it’s a banned substance. Sad though, if the allegations about nobbling, even if unproven, were true. Who will ever know? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, Newmarket said: I don’t care for all the bullshit stories, fact is it’s a banned substance. Yes of course it is a banned substance Newmarket, but it is well known that trainers are using things that are improving a horses performance far more than caffeine that most humans are taking every day!!!!!! If Caffeine was such a performance enhancer then the people that drink 5 cups of coffee or 2litres of Coke per day should be pretty fast, or plenty of stamina in the sack! ! Wouldnt think that is the case with a lot of the people that I see at the dairies or coffee shops!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Yes of course it is a banned substance Newmarket, but it is well known that trainers are using things that are improving a horses performance far more than caffeine that most humans are taking every day!!!!!! If Caffeine was such a performance enhancer then the people that drink 5 cups of coffee or 2litres of Coke per day should be pretty fast, or plenty of stamina in the sack! ! Wouldnt think that is the case with a lot of the people that I see at the dairies or coffee shops!! plenty of stamina in sack they be on Viagra brodie not caffeine hehe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 22 hours ago, Brodie said: The Dunn’s had to plead guilty to the charges as the horses had the presence of Caffeine in their system, but that doesn’t mean that they were actually involved in giving the horses something with caffeine in it! Caffeine is an easy thing to test for apparently, so I personally give the Dunn’s a bit more credit than needing to administer caffeine at Nelson where they would normally win many races, and has it ever been proven that Caffeine would actually improve a standardbred horse’s ability to race better? It is common knowledge that some trainers have different means of improving a horses ability dramatically which is not illegal at the moment, however it is clearly giving trainers a helluva advantage over other trainers. It is not an even playing field out there and probably never will be!! So a trainer goes to a low key meeting with a few good chances, nothing like a boost before you offload on the hot favs on the tote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Newmarket said: So a trainer goes to a low key meeting with a few good chances, nothing like a boost before you offload on the hot favs on the tote. With caffeine, a known and detectable banned substance? Would caffeine guarantee a win? Defies logic if any trainer did it. But again, who the hell would know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: With caffeine, a known and detectable banned substance? Would caffeine guarantee a win? Defies logic if any trainer did it. But again, who the hell would know. If you look at many studies on humans on various sports, seems a performance increase of between 3% & 17% with caffeine in certain doses. So a battling horse maybe not worth the coffee, but the best chance in a race surely worth a latte, just to make sure of the result. If those tested never won that day, it probably wouldn’t be such a huge deal. But the more you look at it, the more it worries. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 52 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: plenty of stamina in sack they be on Viagra brodie not caffeine hehe Not sure about that as have not required viagra as yet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakama Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Amazed why they would appeal fine?.... They should just cop it on the chin and get on with life. Why on earth would they continue to have it blasted around various media sites. Comes across as very arrogant..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Newmarket said: If you look at many studies on humans on various sports, seems a performance increase of between 3% & 17% with caffeine in certain doses. So a battling horse maybe not worth the coffee, but the best chance in a race surely worth a latte, just to make sure of the result. If those tested never won that day, it probably wouldn’t be such a huge deal. But the more you look at it, the more it worries. Newmarket, I don’t consider that the Dunn’s are that stupid to give caffeine to any horse at Nelson just to win When as Happy says is easy to test for! However as it is so easy to show a positive for it, maybe just maybe it wasn’t given to the Dunn horses by the Dunn’s or employees?? Bearing in mind that as far as I am aware there is no 24 hour security keeping an eye on horses stables at Nelson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kakama said: Amazed why they would appeal fine?.... They should just cop it on the chin and get on with life. Why on earth would they continue to have it blasted around various media sites. Comes across as very arrogant..... Kakama, so you are saying that if you were innocent of a crime, that you would just cop it on the chin and take it that you were guilty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, Newmarket said: If you look at many studies on humans on various sports, seems a performance increase of between 3% & 17% with caffeine in certain doses. So a battling horse maybe not worth the coffee, but the best chance in a race surely worth a latte, just to make sure of the result. If those tested never won that day, it probably wouldn’t be such a huge deal. But the more you look at it, the more it worries. Very true but you get tested you get caught don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakama Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Brodie said: Kakama, so you are saying that if you were innocent of a crime, that you would just cop it on the chin and take it that you were guilty? Well.....if I was innocent of a crime....I certainly wouldn't plead guilty first, then bleat about it when penalty is awarded! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakama Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 As I have said previously, you only need to look around the world at all sports, horse racing etc, to see what people will do to get away with things... Armstrong prime example, look how long he got away with it.....we have had heaps of positives in all 3 codes....yes, maybe a few are honest mistakes.....but the majority make you wonder. As many have said before....tougher fines would tighten up the industry, rather that a slap on the wrist....then easily transfer horses to a friend etc...its a complete joke. That's why people will still push the bounderies...its worth the risk. One reason why nz racing turnover is declining....this shit would be sorted in AU's. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Kakama said: As I have said previously, you only need to look around the world at all sports, horse racing etc, to see what people will do to get away with things... Armstrong prime example, look how long he got away with it.....we have had heaps of positives in all 3 codes....yes, maybe a few are honest mistakes.....but the majority make you wonder. As many have said before....tougher fines would tighten up the industry, rather that a slap on the wrist....then easily transfer horses to a friend etc...its a complete joke. That's why people will still push the bounderies...its worth the risk. One reason why nz racing turnover is declining....this shit would be sorted in AU's. the biggest worry is the trainers that are getting away with it week after week and need to get more than a slap on the wrist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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