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3 hours ago, mardigras said:

 

Or we could just get even more money from the government and carry on 

Like they do in Australia you mean Mardi. 

Financial Government support has been going on over there for some years now.  One of the reasons racing is doing better across the ditch. 

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Huey, you are playing with words. The UK has a flat season and a national hunt season which yes, includes flat races for mainly national hunt horses and some winter racing now on AWTs which we don't have as yet.

UK Racing Calendar - The Flat Season

The Flat Racing seasons runs every year from the day of the Lincoln Handicap to the the day of the November Handicap (in late October or early November). This is the official flat season.

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I would support something like that here. It gives opportunity for the slower staying type horses and jumpers to have and create competitive racing and could generate punter interest and it's own wagering revenue stream. Racing on the flat and having a "flat season" are not the same thing and if I said anything to suggest that it was, I didn't mean to. That said, it's an idea and we need to be floating those around at the moment I'd say though I don't feel strongly about it either way.

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7 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

Like they do in Australia you mean Mardi. 

Financial Government support has been going on over there for some years now.  One of the reasons racing is doing better across the ditch. 

Yeah - sure they do. From clearly someone who is clueless. Tell us how much the government gives racing over there?

Don't forget to incorporate things like the $410m TABCORP paid VIC government for its latest 12 year licence. Along with the other fees the TAB operators pay in order to have an exclusive tote licence.

And please add in the income tax they pay the federal government. 

I can't wait to see all these numbers that actually show the governments giving the industry anywhere near what the industry players are giving them up front. The government is just giving a little of that back. 

You are so far out of your depth, stick to watching videos, you and business are not a good mix.

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13 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

Like they do in Australia you mean Mardi. 

Financial Government support has been going on over there for some years now.  One of the reasons racing is doing better across the ditch. 

If the TAB had been paying corporate income tax here of say $40m a year (28% of $150m) then I could see that the government and taxpayer might be willing to help out a bit like they do in Oz and give a bit of that back, especially if the TAB were also paying them a licence fee to operate. They aren't though, so I can't see much of a case I'm afraid. The government already gave 3.5m for the RITA transition and are in the process of phasing out the remaining 13m odd of betting duty. They've also created a golden goose of pokie money and allowed NZRacing to keep all the wagering revenue on overseas racing and a good chunk from sports betting.

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7 minutes ago, mardigras said:

Yeah - sure they do. From clearly someone who is clueless. Tell us how much the government gives racing over there?

Don't forget to incorporate things like the $410m TABCORP paid VIC government for its latest 12 year licence. Along with the other fees the TAB operators pay in order to have an exclusive tote licence.

And please add in the income tax they pay the federal government. 

I can't wait to see all these numbers that actually show the governments giving the industry anywhere near what the industry players are giving them up front.

You are so far out of your depth, stick to watching videos, you and business are not a good mix.

Snap!

 

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4 minutes ago, mardigras said:

Yeah - sure they do. From clearly someone who is clueless. Tell us how much the government gives racing over there?

Don't forget to incorporate things like the $410m TABCORP paid VIC government for its latest 12 year licence. Along with the other fees the TAB operators pay in order to have an exclusive tote licence.

And please add in the income tax they pay the federal government. 

I can't wait to see all these numbers that actually show the governments giving the industry anywhere near what the industry players are giving them up front. The government is just giving a little of that back. 

You are so far out of your depth, stick to watching videos, you and business are not a good mix.

And the NZ Government get nothing. Stick to your trains.

I would rather listen to and take note of what Chris Waller has had to say re this subject in the last few years than read your thoughts on the subject. He has an entirely different view to you.  

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2 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

And the NZ Government get nothing. Stick to your trains.

I would rather listen to and take note of what Chris Waller has had to say re this subject in the last few years than read your thoughts on the subject. He has an entirely different view to you.  

Actually, they get a tiny amount of some duty/GST. Which is paid in Oz also. They also give around $80 - $100m to the racing industry each year separate to that.

You're such a gullible fool. You actually think Chris Waller knows all about the fees the TABs pay the governments over there. Sure he does. Why wouldn't he. You're about as stupid as I have read on these sites. And that is saying something - you may have surpassed your brother. 

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2 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

Again, Waller....you.... no contest. 9_9

You wouldn't even run a poor second. 

I'm certainly not even trying to run second, I'm not even in a race with him. I think he's a horse trainer. I'm not.

Just like your brother, you think people like trainers know everything. Talk about gullible. No wonder it's so easy punting and winning where you're indicative of who I'm betting against. You and your brother make a great pair - gullible fools.

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10 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

Again, Waller....you.... no contest. 9_9

You wouldn't even run a poor second. 

As a trainer, for sure. I don't think Chris has time to understand the differences between what the respective industries in Oz and NZ pay to Government and what they get back though. Nor do you it seems.

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11 hours ago, mardigras said:

I'm certainly not even trying to run second, I'm not even in a race with him. I think he's a horse trainer. I'm not.

Just like your brother, you think people like trainers know everything. Talk about gullible. No wonder it's so easy punting and winning where you're indicative of who I'm betting against. You and your brother make a great pair - gullible fools.

Unlike yourself who arrogantly believes he knows everything on all subjects, I know that Chris Waller is a knowledgeable humble man and have heard him speak on the subject a few times now, have read articles also quoting him on the subject and was in small group at the sales when it was also discussed with Chris. So yes I believe he has a very grasp of the situation.

As I said, Chris is a knowledgeable humble man, and certainly the opposite of you Mardigras….the Kim Jong Un of the keyboard full of self importance and arrogance.....again I know which one I would rather listen to.

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18 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

As I said, Chris is a knowledgeable humble man, and certainly the opposite of you Mardigras….the Kim Jong Un of the keyboard full of self importance and arrogance.....again I know which one I would rather listen to.   

You are not a very good reader of people. I am very humble and very well know the areas I don't understand or grasp. And will happily admit them. But in areas I know very well, you will think I'm arrogant - no doubt like you think your doctor is arrogant when he discusses medical related things. You confuse arrogance with knowledge. 

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Here's some info relating to government. Doesn't include any participant related GST or income tax. Is just one wagering operator in Oz versus the only wagering operator in NZ. (I think the participants in Australia pay income tax and GST, like they do here - no doubt a lot more than here).

This is from the TABCORP annual report for the wagering business for 2019 and the NZRB annual report for 2018 (The latest NZ annual report doesn't provide the breakdown). Of course there are many other operators paying various amounts into government hands as well.

In $millions.

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8 hours ago, mardigras said:

ATA - get Chris to fill in the ???? with all his knowledge. Thanks

Looks like we'll be waiting a while for our funding expert to provide these details to ATA. 

I'm really looking forward to seeing numbers even as high as $100m in a year. Victoria do a bit, even as much as $20m - $30m in some years. How much can they put towards things like infrastructure such as track upgrades and other track developments. 

Can't wait to see numbers around the $300m - $400m per year to bring them into line with NZ, relatively speaking.

What's the hold up ATA, I'm getting bored waiting and playing with my train set?

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29 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

The other Kim has a train also.

Speculation over his successor should be over, If indeed he has passed. Do you need a lift to the airport? 9_9

This from someone who has shown himself to mock others when they admit a minor mistake. And here he is, calling all sorts of people arrogant etc.

After a massive cock-up, he is incapable of admitting he is wrong. And he calls others arrogant.

How sad. 

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ATA, 

your ego can't hack it. You were all gung-ho on this, and now you've ben smashed and all you can do is run away and hide rather than face up to it.

You're living in a bubble - and not just for the last 5 or 6 weeks. Poor little arrogant fool.

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1 hour ago, mardigras said:

ATA, 

your ego can't hack it. You were all gung-ho on this, and now you've ben smashed and all you can do is run away and hide rather than face up to it.

You're living in a bubble - and not just for the last 5 or 6 weeks. Poor little arrogant fool.

How so Kim?

I stated that Australian racing receives support from Government (which it does) and that Chris Waller has said the NZ Government should do more for NZ racing. Both are statements are factual.  

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36 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

I stated that Australian racing receives support from Government (which it does)

State or Federal?

How much?  My understanding is much more is taken from the industry in terms of taxes than is given.  The reverse is true in NZ where the industry doesn't operate on a level playing field with other businesses.

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42 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

How so Kim?

I stated that Australian racing receives support from Government (which it does) and that Chris Waller has said the NZ Government should do more for NZ racing. Both are statements are factual.  

I've never disputed those statements. Can you back track any faster?

It is very clear that you thought the government in NZ should give more - as in 'Like they do in Australia'. And that being one of the reasons racing is doing better there.

On 28/04/2020 at 4:57 PM, mardigras said:

Or we could just get even more money from the government and carry on acting like we're entitled for some reason. 

 

On 28/04/2020 at 8:24 PM, All The Aces said:

Like they do in Australia you mean Mardi. 

Financial Government support has been going on over there for some years now.  One of the reasons racing is doing better across the ditch. 

Which doesn't make sense because NZ government is giving more to NZ racing than the Australian governments give Australian racing. So how can the NZ government give more - be 'Like they do in Australia' when Australian governments give less?

That is the statement that is false. Not an iota of fact in it. That is the reason you have had to run and hide. Your arrogance and your ego don't allow you to admit you got this so badly wrong. 

I just love it when people like you back track like a rat up a drainpipe. What a crack up. 

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