Happy Sunrise Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Noodlum said: If you don't know the process then how can you speculate? What do you think happened? Why was she denied? 8 minutes ago, Noodlum said: The point is it is HRNZ that grants the licence. Do you not believe the RIU would have advised HRNZ? It would be a joke of a system if the RIU did not play a part in the approval of licences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 10 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: human rights rule . the brodster is our human rights go to guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Do you not believe the RIU would have advised HRNZ? It would be a joke of a system if the RIU did not play a part in the approval of licences. No the RIU has no remit to determine who does or doesn't get a licence. It would be more of a joke if they did have! I can just see it now the RIU hiding in hedges to see if any new applicant knows someone they shouldn't. There goes half the applicants straight up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Noodlum said: Exactly where is the RIU "side of the story"? I would imagine there isn't an RIU "side of the story" as it isn't their call regarding the granting of a licence. The call is HRNZ's! And I have heard 1 or 2 staff at HRNZ were part of the small team of the original INCA snitchers. They are not objective - nepotism ? Appeal to appropriate Govt Dept - no one here is guilty of anything but whether RIU or HRNZ but they make a moral call on someone who is one the best advertisements for the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, LongOwner said: but they make a moral call on someone who is one the best advertisements for the sport. It's not even a moral call. There is NOTHING in the rules to deny the granting of the licence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Noodlum said: It's not even a moral call. There is NOTHING in the rules to deny the granting of the licence. That's not correct. The rules of harness racing give HRNZ considerable latitude in the granting of licences. For example: 315 (3) (c): (The Board shall) in its discretion without assigning any reason therefore refuse to grant (a licence)... https://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/dochr/hrnz/MASTER-RULE-CHANGES-20-12-19.pdf So they'll have had their reasons, and are entitled to act on those reasons, even if some don't agree with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Basil said: 315 (3) (c): (The Board shall) in its discretion without assigning any reason therefore refuse to grant (a licence)... Just as I said there is NO reason in the rules other than a rule that says they don't have to have a reason. Hardly a fair rule is it? Edited September 5, 2020 by Noodlum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 5, 2020 Author Share Posted September 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: It is speculation. What else can I do. The information presented by the 'supporters' of Nicole Harris only give one side of the story. It breaks human rights and other NZ legislation? I don't think it is as simple as that so I speculated. Easy to attack the RIU etc but where is there side of the story? so your saying a young person like Nicole can not get a start in life by renting a stable off another ex trainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 51 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: so your saying a young person like Nicole can not get a start in life by renting a stable off another ex trainer where would that ex trainer be living mckenzie country ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 2 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: so your saying a young person like Nicole can not get a start in life by renting a stable off another ex trainer So it is as simple as that? Why would HRNZ (not the stipes) deny her a licence when they should be encouraging every trainer they can get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Noodlum said: the RIU has no remit to determine who does or doesn't get a licence. So HRNZ works independently when granting licences? HTP is wrong when he asserts the RIU are on a witch hunt? 4 hours ago, Noodlum said: I can just see it now the RIU hiding in hedges to see if any new applicant knows someone they shouldn't. Doesn't matter then if the RIU are hiding in the hedges, the outside toilet or anywhere to see what a new applicant is doing as you said they have no remit to influence HRNZ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: So HRNZ works independently when granting licences? As far as the rules are concerned that's correct. 10 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: HTP is wrong when he asserts the RIU are on a witch hunt? Aside from the fact he didn't say"witch hunt" who would know as it appears HRNZ can decide for whatever reasons the seem fit. Plus not tell anyone. That isn't natural justice and as far as I know doesn't happen in any other industry. 14 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Doesn't matter then if the RIU are hiding in the hedges, the outside toilet or anywhere to see what a new applicant is doing as you said they have no remit to influence HRNZ. Refer to my comment earlier in this post. Has HRNZ given a reason? You said the RIU SHOULD have a say. Given there is no reason under the rules for HRNZ not granting a licence then we are left to speculate if the RIU is having an influence. Just like you assumed they were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: So it is as simple as that? Why would HRNZ (not the stipes) deny her a licence when they should be encouraging every trainer they can get? Why isn't as simple as that? She has a License to Train and can train for the general public why can't she be allowed the next step up? If she isn't considered eligible for that licence will they revoke her current one using the same unknown reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Noodlum said: Aside from the fact he didn't say"witch hunt" In the context of what HTP says generally about INCA, see the reasons for the CJ ruling, it is a witch hunt 1 hour ago, Noodlum said: as it appears HRNZ can decide for whatever reasons the seem fit. Plus not tell anyone. If that is the case then HRNZ are not a transparent body either. They must have a reason for not granting her a licence. Would you have any idea why that would be? I don't know the answer and my speculation is clearly off the mark as there is no reason for her not to get a licence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: In the context of what HTP says generally about INCA, see the reasons for the CJ ruling, it is a witch hunt If that is the case then HRNZ are not a transparent body either. They must have a reason for not granting her a licence. Would you have any idea why that would be? I don't know the answer and my speculation is clearly off the mark as there is no reason for her not to get a licence. it is personal attack from Riu to anyone to do with that stable . what about the guy that has drove over 300 winners and trained over 120 winners had a beer one night and rang Riu next day they took his licence away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: it is personal attack from Riu to anyone to do with that stable But others say the RIU have no involvement in the decision to give a licence or not. 3 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: what about the guy that has drove over 300 winners and trained over 120 winners had a beer one night and rang Riu next day they took his licence away I don't know what this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 36 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: what about the guy that has drove over 300 winners and trained over 120 winners had a beer one night and rang Riu next day they took his licence away didn't he offer it to them not expecting them to say we'll be there in 15 mins lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Rangatira said: where would that ex trainer be living mckenzie country ? Nope too cold for calf rearing there Ranga Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 4 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Nope too cold for calf rearing there Ranga Greg Nevada would have good winter coat if grazing down there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Rangatira said: didn't he offer it to them not expecting them to say we'll be there in 15 mins lol turned up in 10 mins I heard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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