Gammalite Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 minute ago, MarkyMark said: again your clutching at straws. In harness is there an appearance fee when racing? he is obviously then working for himself, and takes a different risk. But the reward for him is obviously more significant if he can get his horse to win or place. All drivers are paid a driving fee (regardless if part owner or not), with percentages based on the finish position. so don't know what driver Chief is talking about that wouldn't get paid for his Professional service. to himself or other. most races pay 1st to 5th stakemoney in a declining ratio obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: thats a nonsense, netball in NZ, they are paid bugger all, and many work addition jobs. But none the less are still considered professional athletes. you are clutching at straws are the black sox on good coin or reliant on chook raffles ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What's the reward got to do with it? This is an example of something that is quite common in harness racing. Been like it for decades. The reward is, he owns the horse, and should it perform he collects the race stake, compared to a normal driver that has no ownership interest. Hes taken a different level of risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: Amateurs being unfairly treated for a similar issue to that of a non amateur. Thats something else alltogether and not related to this discussion It's "not something else altogether" and it is related to this discussion. You are standing on the sidelines with an elevated opinion of how the sport actually operates. It only operates and exists at its current level due to many many unpaid individuals either volunteering or participating as amateurs. Even though the latter may be licensed at different levels. By the way licensing doesn't constitute professionalism or confer high standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Nope the rules aren't applied the same. How many times have ALL the drivers been breath tested on raceday? That is so funny Chief. can't believe that happens myself. often jockeys have been tested and caught with urine samples as smoke weed, etc as a way of battling hunger issues. Wouldn't you think drivers would have more sense???? Back in the day all motor vehicle drivers were breath tested on the road out of Albion Paceway. making it safer for road users if they pull someone out. pretty random but catch some. If you think it helps, yeah why not, Temperature check ALL drivers /jockeys for covid as they check in at drivers room raceday, and blow in a breathaliser too !! sounds a good idea. everyone being Professional then. ready for a good Safe days racing !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rangatira said: are the black sox on good coin or reliant on chook raffles ? There are probably only four truly professional team sports in NZ. At the elite level Rugby, League and Cricket with ETNZ being the fourth. I can't think of any other team sport where we have fulltime paid athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: There are probably only four truly professional team sports in NZ. At the elite level Rugby, League and Cricket with ETNZ being the fourth. I can't think of any other team sport where we have fulltime paid athletes. might be able to add the illawarra phoenix to that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rangatira said: might be able to add the illawarra phoenix to that list True forgot about them which isn't hard to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: There are probably only four truly professional team sports in NZ. At the elite level Rugby, League and Cricket with ETNZ being the fourth. I can't think of any other team sport where we have fulltime paid athletes. basketball, soccer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: It's "not something else altogether" and it is related to this discussion. You are standing on the sidelines with an elevated opinion of how the sport actually operates. It only operates and exists at its current level due to many many unpaid individuals either volunteering or participating as amateurs. Even though the latter may be licensed at different levels. By the way licensing doesn't constitute professionalism or confer high standards. no Chief. I just have perhaps higher standards or expectations than perhaps what this code currently demonstrates. But you again are digressing. My gripe was to do with Blair, you are now trying to run the rule over all participants, and use an example of a non paid individual who volunteers to diminish the code by saying it is not a professional sport. But i was in the main referring to a driver, and that as a whole, the industry by most would consider this a professional sport, and drivers would be considered professional athletes in their field, so in my opinion it should be treated s such, and that is my point. i however think on this occasion, we agree to disagree on were we stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 52 minutes ago, Gammalite said: All drivers are paid a driving fee (regardless if part owner or not), with percentages based on the finish position. so don't know what driver Chief is talking about that wouldn't get paid for his Professional service. to himself or other. i think we would need to peruse the columns on mr mccormicks ledger to be absolutely sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Blair Orange drives very professionally! The fact remains that he had less alcohol in his blood than what is acceptable to be able to drive a car! Yes there is a rule but as we all should know there are plenty of dumb rules that need amending! Blairs driving ability would not have been affected by a small amount of alcohol still registering in his blood. He would be able to drive a damn site better than most kf the kther drivers with one eye closed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes there is a rule but as we all should know there are plenty of dumb rules that need amending! but surely one should wait until they amended 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 16 hours ago, Gammalite said: That is so funny Chief. can't believe that happens myself. often jockeys have been tested and caught with urine samples as smoke weed, etc as a way of battling hunger issues. Duromine more likely, Weed is NOT! the way to battle hunger issues lol! but I get what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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