Gammalite Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Cogratulations to NZ for producing the star KING OF SWING (Ray Green won a big race (crown) in Melbourne with him a couple of years ago), maybe Ray will get heaps with his latest star American Dealer there? what a fine horseman.! He just now donkey Licked the GROUP 1 Queensland Championship field at $1.50. Luke McCarthy (driving like Mark P )with 4 wins and 3 seconds from his 7 races tonight. Our local hope COLT THIRTY ONE a distant second , and TURN IT UP from Nz running third. KING OF SWING this year since joining McCarthy has 10 wins (including the Miracle mile) and 3 seconds from 13 starts . What a horse he is !!! more to come you would think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Since “joining McCarthy”? Who trains the horse Gammalite? Mikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just noticed same dam as Bettor Twist. Broodmare of year nom, one would think. Nice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Gammalite said: Cogratulations to NZ for producing the star KING OF SWING (Ray Green won a big race (crown) in Melbourne with him a couple of years ago), maybe Ray will get heaps with his latest star American Dealer there? what a fine horseman.! He just now donkey Licked the GROUP 1 Queensland Championship field at $1.50. Luke McCarthy (driving like Mark P )with 4 wins and 3 seconds from his 7 races tonight. Our local hope COLT THIRTY ONE a distant second , and TURN IT UP from Nz running third. KING OF SWING this year since joining McCarthy has 10 wins (including the Miracle mile) and 3 seconds from 13 starts . What a horse he is !!! more to come you would think congratulations to owners of king of swing can remember the team driving at Auckland one night when it lead up and purdon had 4 horses in the race they attacked it all the way stopped to a bad last the winner was chase Auckland were is that horse now ? and the swing just keeps winning 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 6 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: congratulations to owners of king of swing can remember the team driving at Auckland one night when it lead up and purdon had 4 horses in the race they attacked it all the way stopped to a bad last the winner was chase Auckland were is that horse now ? and the swing just keeps winning the King is swinging Bigtime Hunter ! he's a monster in his races at the moment. Not sure with ChaseAuckland what is doing. But did see I'm Anothermasterpiece won last night , his third win in six starts since going to Vic from Allstars in September. Hey ,Thanks for the tip with DUKE, he raced Wednesday and 2nd beaten 1/2 head at Redcliffe. close ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Mikie said: Since “joining McCarthy”? Who trains the horse Gammalite? Mikie Hahaha yes a "Consortium' Effort with the training of the"Superstable" .The Aus equivalent of Allstars ? Luke keeps his name OFF the trainers list so he can 'Freelance 'drive. Chris Alford does this in Vic with success and Pete McMullen up here in QLD as well. (horses trained in wifes name) Incidently Pete drove a fantastic race to beat Luke and also Grant Dixon's star 3 yearold last night at big odds in a three year old feature. Pete is amazing driver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Karrots said: Just noticed same dam as Bettor Twist. Broodmare of year nom, one would think. Nice. Wow !! that is a great stat . Hope you can find me a foal out of that mare Karrots ! have a spare million? lol King Of Swing and Bettor Twist are absolutely smashing it . FUN FACT the broodmare is TWIST AND TWIRL and Mark took her to Victoria in winter 2012 . she won 5 times and was 2nd in the Group 1 Breeders crown to another kiwi Cheer The Lady trained by his brother I think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Gammalite said: Wow !! that is a great stat . Hope you can find me a foal out of that mare Karrots ! have a spare million? lol King Of Swing and Bettor Twist are absolutely smashing it . FUN FACT the broodmare is TWIST AND TWIRL and Mark took her to Victoria in winter 2012 . she won 5 times and was 2nd in the Group 1 Breeders crown to another kiwi Cheer The Lady trained by his brother I think? Haha. They certainly are. I'v only been following for approx 2 years. So still learning lots, had never heard of Cheer The Lady, nor Twist and Twirl until now. So sorry can't answer that question. But cool fun fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Gammalite said: Cheer The Lady trained by his brother I think? Yes trained by Barry and driven by Zac Butcher paid around 16s I think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 22 hours ago, Gammalite said: Cogratulations to NZ for producing the star KING OF SWING (Ray Green won a big race (crown) in Melbourne with him a couple of years ago), maybe Ray will get heaps with his latest star American Dealer there? what a fine horseman.! He just now donkey Licked the GROUP 1 Queensland Championship field at $1.50. Luke McCarthy (driving like Mark P )with 4 wins and 3 seconds from his 7 races tonight. Our local hope COLT THIRTY ONE a distant second , and TURN IT UP from Nz running third. KING OF SWING this year since joining McCarthy has 10 wins (including the Miracle mile) and 3 seconds from 13 starts . What a horse he is !!! more to come you would think Luke's team has been pretty much unbeatable for quite awhile now! Gammalite have you heard who the stables are in Oz that were stated as using the drug suppliers caught up in the FBI raids earlier this year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: Luke's team has been pretty much unbeatable for quite awhile now! Gammalite have you heard who the stables are in Oz that were stated as using the drug suppliers caught up in the FBI raids earlier this year? g'day Blossom, unfortunately the FBI have not made me privy to any drugs supply information. I am retired now but still love the sport and enjoy the big races ! Yes Luke is going gangbusters. Phenomenal strike rate. Unfortunately for the locals here in QLD he popped up a team last week , and won 4 out of 6 races and last night 4 out of 7 (with 3 narrow seconds) thankfully three of our best young drivers did well to pip him 3 times Nathan Dawson, Shane Graham and Pete McMullen saving the day. phew ! I Sincerely hope you are enjoying the NZ racing these days. Not as bad as Forbury makes out lol..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Gammalite said: Hahaha yes a "Consortium' Effort with the training of the"Superstable" .The Aus equivalent of Allstars ? Luke keeps his name OFF the trainers list so he can 'Freelance 'drive. Chris Alford does this in Vic with success and Pete McMullen up here in QLD as well. (horses trained in wifes name) Incidently Pete drove a fantastic race to beat Luke and also Grant Dixon's star 3 yearold last night at big odds in a three year old feature. Pete is amazing driver. Just to dwell on this a bit further Gammalite You are saying that Luke really is the Trainer, but Mr Cross is the official Trainer so that Luke can drive whatever he wants Even that seems a bit suspect but to carry it on further If Mr Cross received a disqualification, for whatever, you are saying that the horses would just continue to be trained by Luke and he would just install someone else as the Trainer of record? Mikie Edited December 13, 2020 by Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 All sorts of arrangements happen below the radar. You only have to look at Lloyd Williams "arrangement" at his peak in the gallops arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Noodlum said: All sorts of arrangements happen below the radar. You only have to look at Lloyd Williams "arrangement" at his peak in the gallops arena. Perhaps Noodlum However just because others have arrangements as well doesn't make everything all hunky dorey If that was the case anyone committing murder could say hey, it's ok, others are doing it And all Lloyd William's runners usually arrive on the same Truck for the races don't they? Gary Hall Senior, who has trained a few winners, couldn't get King Of Swing to win more than 5 races in 25 odd starts (that's 1 in 5) and he didn't feature in any Group Race he started in. His stake earnings were less than $100k Now Mr Cross (officially), has transformed the horse in to a Grand Circuit champion, winning 10 and placing 3 in 13 starts and winning over $1 million Can Gammalite (or anyone) tell me, is this because Gary Hall Senior was just lucky with the horses that won a few races for him, or is Mr Cross the harness equivalent of God? Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, Mikie said: Just to dwell on this a bit further Gammalite You are saying that Luke really is the Trainer, but Mr Cross is the official Trainer so that Luke can drive whatever he wants Even that seems a bit suspect but to carry it on further If Mr Cross received a disqualification, for whatever, you are saying that the horses would just continue to be trained by Luke and he would just install someone else as the Trainer of record? Mikie Absolutely Mikie, this is common . Luke for many years had the horses in his wifes name. Belinda listed Trainer. Belinda credited with near 100 G1 wins actually! BUT in 2017 the positive swab came up , she's out for a year (but who cares) , The Superstable continues as if nothing happened. Brilliant !!! Horses plonked in CRAIG CROSS name thereafter, some kiwi bloke no one knows. Business as usual for Luke when next positive turns up. Craig can go back there to NZ for a nice years break? lol.... WHO came up with the Stupid idea of training partnerships ? better one name (say for example Mark Purdon) and if a positive comes up (e.g Horses all go in Nat's name as trainer, Mark moves in with Roy for a year) Business as usual !!! Brilliant !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Cross does to standardbreds as to what Lance Armstrong does to bike tyres. They grow an extra leg (tread). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, Mikie said: Perhaps Noodlum However just because others have arrangements as well doesn't make everything all hunky dorey If that was the case anyone committing murder could say hey, it's ok, others are doing it And all Lloyd William's runners usually arrive on the same Truck for the races don't they? Gary Hall Senior, who has trained a few winners, couldn't get King Of Swing to win more than 5 races in 25 odd starts (that's 1 in 5) and he didn't feature in any Group Race he started in. His stake earnings were less than $100k Now Mr Cross (officially), has transformed the horse in to a Grand Circuit champion, winning 10 and placing 3 in 13 starts and winning over $1 million Can Gammalite (or anyone) tell me, is this because Gary Hall Senior was just lucky with the horses that won a few races for him, or is Mr Cross the harness equivalent of God? Mikie Lloyd Williams has been Refused the Trainers Licence everytime he applied to The VRC. (Don't know why as had dollars, a beautiful setup at Macedon Lodge, second to none knowledge of good horses esp Mel Cup ones lol) That created all the 'pseudo trainer' nonsense. As for the Hall trainers in WA . King of Swing probably not suited to that tight turning Gloucester Park track. But don't worry they are brilliant outfit 'Consortium" as well with old 'Dad" still getting training credit. Of course I'm the Mighty Quinn and Chicago Bull (very small horses compared to KOSwing) have won more races between them that you or I could only dream of. ...... sigh they are super good ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I doubt very much if Lloyd Williams ever applied to have a horse trainers licence. Most people seem to think it was below him to even think about being a trainer.https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/enigmatic-williams-rides-his-own-race-20131104-2wx8j.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Gammalite quote: "BUT in 2017 the positive swab came up , she's out for a year (but who cares) , The Superstable continues as if nothing happened. Brilliant !!!" Can't follow you logic Gammalite, you think the above is brilliant? Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Gammalite said: Lloyd Williams has been Refused the Trainers Licence everytime he applied to The VRC. (Don't know why as had dollars, a beautiful setup at Macedon Lodge, second to none knowledge of good horses esp Mel Cup ones lol) That created all the 'pseudo trainer' nonsense. As for the Hall trainers in WA . King of Swing probably not suited to that tight turning Gloucester Park track. But don't worry they are brilliant outfit 'Consortium" as well with old 'Dad" still getting training credit. Of course I'm the Mighty Quinn and Chicago Bull (very small horses compared to KOSwing) have won more races between them that you or I could only dream of. ...... sigh they are super good ........... Gammalite, with the greatest of respect, you are talking absolute rubbish King Of Swing is but 1 example of Mr Cross's absolute genius, he managed to improve a horse from David Aiken (a trainer who has won Group races) by 8 seconds (not .8, a full 8 seconds). That's pretty good isn't it? Wasn't there a used syringe found at the boxes of Mr Cross on Group raceday? Why were his horses even allowed to start Gammalite? Mikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mikie said: Gammalite quote: "BUT in 2017 the positive swab came up , she's out for a year (but who cares) , The Superstable continues as if nothing happened. Brilliant !!!" Can't follow you logic Gammalite, you think the above is brilliant? Mikie Brilliant as in Brilliant Business Management obviously. Luke is the VITAL component of that set-up (with TODD and ANDREW both stars in the USA now. So play it safe with horses in Belinda's name. and now Craig Cross. with respect to Belinda and Craig the juggernaut continues and continued with or without them. Not to hard to work out that is not a bad strategy ?? has already paid off once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Brilliant as in Brilliant Business Management obviously. Luke is the VITAL component of that set-up (with TODD and ANDREW both stars in the USA now. So play it safe with horses in Belinda's name. and now Craig Cross. with respect to Belinda and Craig the juggernaut continues and continued with or without them. Not to hard to work out that is not a bad strategy ?? has already paid off once. No worries Gammalite What we in New Zrealand would call an absolute rort you call it a "brilliant", or a "not a bad strategy" I wish you were a Judge in New Zealand and I had you, now that would have been brilliant Mikie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mikie said: Gammalite, with the greatest of respect, you are talking absolute rubbish King Of Swing is but 1 example of Mr Cross's absolute genius, he managed to improve a horse from David Aiken (a trainer who has won Group races) by 8 seconds (not .8, a full 8 seconds). That's pretty good isn't it? Wasn't there a used syringe found at the boxes of Mr Cross on Group raceday? Why were his horses even allowed to start Gammalite? Mikie Why pick on me Mikie ? I've answered your question about KING of SWING s form in the west with Halls to the best of my knowledge, and now you attack me about syringes and improving horses 8 seconds. Do you think I am doing the race day treatments for them? pull your head in mate. We were discussing Why The horses are not racing in Lukes name Just now, Mikie said: No worries Gammalite What we in New Zrealand would call an absolute rort you call it a "brilliant", or a "not a bad strategy" I wish you were a Judge in New Zealand and I had you, now that would have been brilliant Mikie I didn't say I agreed with it Mikie. You obviously don't. No need to attack me. Doesn't mean it's not a good stategy. It's LEGAL and they are doing it and it has paid off already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mikie said: No worries Gammalite What we in New Zrealand would call an absolute rort you call it a "brilliant", or a "not a bad strategy" I wish you were a Judge in New Zealand and I had you, now that would have been brilliant Mikie And just one other thing . Pete McMullen has the horses in his wifes name in QLD here. They win a lot of races and Chantel drives some too. I respect them greatly , and LOVE Petes driving ability !! But it is 'brilliant' and 'not a bad stategy' to race in just one of their names. I HATE the idea that occasionally Pete is driving freelance AGAINST a horse he might be training with Chantel on occasion. YES I agree that is a rort and shouldn't be allowed !!! lol. By order of judge Gammalite ! but am sure they won't change it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) I'm not picking on you at all Gammalite and you must have misunderstood my post's I said you were talking rubbish about Lloyd Williams being refused a Trainer's Licence. As another poster has pointed out Mr Williams never applied for one I also thought this thread was about how good King Of Swing was My questions about King Of Swing, the other horse from David Aiken and the syringe was aimed at all and sundry although I thought, with you being an Aussie, that you would be in a better position to answer them hence the reference to you I don't know if you believe the excuse about the tight track or not, but I don't Mikie Edited December 14, 2020 by Mikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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