ALLSTARS Win Christmas Cup

[Gammalite]

Well after winning a swag of Cups the last few years ALLstars now add the QLD Christmas Cup to their Santa sack with grand 3 year old ONE CHANGE.

Now trained by Natalie's sister Vicki Rasmussen, as another fine cog in their wheel,  and expertly handled by one of Australasia's best reinsmen SHANE GRAHAM.

He has knocked over the all conquering McCarthy barn horse, and the Super horse COLT THIRTY ONE ($1.15 fav)  6 lengths back to 4th. What a great duel.

oh boy ! NZ turns out some beauties !!

[Mikie]

Gammalite

Do you think COLT was beaten on his merits, or was there a whole stack of team driving against him?

I'm in the latter camp

Your Stipes must be really pathetic

Mikie

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Mikie said:

Gammalite

Do you think COLT was beaten on his merits, or was there a whole stack of team driving against him?

I'm in the latter camp

Your Stipes must be really pathetic

Mikie

COLT THIRTY ONE , one of my absolute favourites . First time missed being in the quinella last 20 starts I think. (by 1/2 head) 

Slow away he was after drawing the 1 , so full credit the winner really,

At least COLT THIRTY ONE won it last year. Couldn't lose punt on him last night as too short to back !..... lol.

Toughed it out gamely "in the death'  last night, just like last week in the G1 behind King Of Swing , and just like Gammalite in his day as well.

I would Stewards NOT Pathetic here at all. In fact , they are VERY tough. Winning driver last night, Shane Graham, just back from 2 years 'OFF' for dodgy race, as also is the premier Trainers wife Trista Dixon, back this past year after a year out as well , for dodgy drive. Vicki Rasmussen year off training as well.

Are the stewards doing good job there in NZ ?

[Mikie]

27 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

COLT THIRTY ONE , one of my absolute favourites . First time missed being in the quinella last 20 starts I think. (by 1/2 head) 

Slow away he was after drawing the 1 , so full credit the winner really,

At least COLT THIRTY ONE won it last year. Couldn't lose punt on him last night as too short to back !..... lol.

Toughed it out gamely "in the death'  last night, just like last week in the G1 behind King Of Swing , and just like Gammalite in his day as well.

I would Stewards NOT Pathetic here at all. In fact , they are VERY tough. Winning driver last night, Shane Graham, just back from 2 years 'OFF' for dodgy race, as also is the premier Trainers wife Trista Dixon, back this past year after a year out as well , for dodgy drive. Vicki Rasmussen year off training as well.

Are the stewards doing good job there in NZ ?

I’ve always been told to never answer a question with another question so let’s keep scrutinising your side of the ditch Gammalite

If you want to criticise our Stipes then pick a race and we can debate it, I might even agree with you, so there will be no debate at all

There’s one charge pending for unacceptable driving in the race isn’t there? 
That’s not tough enough

There’s a whole family out there that should be charged, most with giving their own horses no chance 

Perhaps it’s payback from 2019 when COLT was the beneficiary of team driving? However that race pales compared to this year

Gi watch the race again Gammalite, take note of horses previous performances, and look at how they were driven. They were out there to rough COLT up, nothing more

Mikie

[Gammalite]

15 minutes ago, Mikie said:

I’ve always been told to never answer a question with another question so let’s keep scrutinising your side of the ditch Gammalite

If you want to criticise our Stipes then pick a race and we can debate it, I might even agree with you, so there will be no debate at all

There’s one charge pending for unacceptable driving in the race isn’t there? 
That’s not tough enough

There’s a whole family out there that should be charged, most with giving their own horses no chance 

Perhaps it’s payback from 2019 when COLT was the beneficiary of team driving? However that race pales compared to this year

Gi watch the race again Gammalite, take note of horses previous performances, and look at how they were driven. They were out there to rough COLT up, nothing more

Mikie

Haha that good, I did answer your question ( I said my opinion was Not pathetic about the QLD stipes) So why I am I not allowed to ask a return question as we move on ???  lol   .., the irony of that last question hahh Sunday fun. (please don't take too seriously) lol

I do not want to criticise your NZ stipes thanks, You are thinking of FORBURY and friends hehe...  in fact I have made a point of RESOLUTELY DEFENDING your stipes and drivers through my posts. 

Every race virtually , drivers make decisions that are Winning ones or Losing ones as well as needing some Luck on occasion. COLT THIRTY ONE has roughed a few in his day .Grant has MASSIVE  experience. They both win regularly.

BUT , You Can't Win Them ALL ...   we'd be Feet up on the French riviera sipping the Champers if that was the case.

 

[Karrots]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Haha that good, I did answer your question ( I said my opinion was Not pathetic about the QLD stipes) So why I am I not allowed to ask a return question as we move on ???  lol   .., the irony of that last question hahh Sunday fun. (please don't take too seriously) lol

I do not want to criticise your NZ stipes thanks, You are thinking of FORBURY and friends hehe...  in fact I have made a point of RESOLUTELY DEFENDING your stipes and drivers through my posts. 

Every race virtually , drivers make decisions that are Winning ones or Losing ones as well as needing some Luck on occasion. COLT THIRTY ONE has roughed a few in his day .Grant has MASSIVE  experience. They both win regularly.

BUT , You Can't Win Them ALL ...   we'd be Feet up on the French riviera sipping the Champers if that was the case.

 

Well this is getting boring fast isn't it. Why don't the 3 of us just talk to ourselves. No-one even wants to play the Karrots guessing game over on Alex thread (where people prob think Karrots is being creepy lol - too late now Karrots will say no more), or pick a winner & contribute on Camb thread, no bites either on the useless steward thread. 

Oh dear, Im not going to continue to be 1 of only few posting on this harness side. Ill see how next week goes and then re-assess. 

[Mikie]

16 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Haha that good, I did answer your question ( I said my opinion was Not pathetic about the QLD stipes) So why I am I not allowed to ask a return question as we move on ???  lol   .., the irony of that last question hahh Sunday fun. (please don't take too seriously) lol

I do not want to criticise your NZ stipes thanks, You are thinking of FORBURY and friends hehe...  in fact I have made a point of RESOLUTELY DEFENDING your stipes and drivers through my posts. 

Every race virtually , drivers make decisions that are Winning ones or Losing ones as well as needing some Luck on occasion. COLT THIRTY ONE has roughed a few in his day .Grant has MASSIVE  experience. They both win regularly.

BUT , You Can't Win Them ALL ...   we'd be Feet up on the French riviera sipping the Champers if that was the case.

 

I think you are totally missing my point Gamnalite

Im not talking about one horse roughing another up, that’s ok, a horse is allowed to sit parked and dictate the speed, and you have had some good horses that could do that repeatedly

I’m talking about a whole family driving their horses with no intention of trying to finish in the best possible placing, which is inherent upon them to do so. 

There’s 3 or 4 from that race that should get a year out

Mikie

Edited December 20, 2020 by Mikie

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Mikie said:

I think you are totally missing my point Gamnalite

Im not talking about one horse roughing another up, that’s ok, a horse is allowed to sit parked and dictate the speed, and you have had some good horses that could do that repeatedly

I’m talking about a whole family driving their horses with no intention of trying to finish in the best possible placing, which is inherent upon them to do so. 

There’s 3 or 4 from that race that should get a year out

Mikie

sorry Mikie , I didn't see any of that personally. AND DEFINITELY am not calling for 'years Out.' seriously?

between you Forbury and Galah , there would be NO-ONE left driving ??  (tongue in cheek?) humour is good

You want to take out 3 or 4 out at a time ??   been listening to Forbury too much ?  hehe (joke)

I would of loved COLT THIRTY ONE to win, Grant is a friend of mine. Shane Graham did him with great tactics and daring with the ALLstars horse. Full credit to him. No need to decimate driving ranks after the fact ?? 

Good grief man , the first three in the lead photo of this thread all had their Chance? the others Not good enough were Waaaay back 6 lengths behind these 3.  How on earth was anyone deserving a Year Off?????

I think overall , that I , and in fact you as well , appreciate a good winning drive , and I admire it for what it was/is.

APPRECIATE the racing , and enjoy !!  It's very competitive !  

 

[Enteebee]

12 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

.  How on earth was anyone deserving a Year Off?????

 

 

did you watch the race - the horse following C31 pulls out 3 wide to attack then swings wider and lets the next one come inside to have a "go" while it then drifts back to last and then tucked away on the fence - that driver will get time

blatant cheating and if you are mad enough to race a horse in Australia then you get what you deserve - and we do in Victoria

So many trotters improve lengths from where they were when in NZ and owned by one man and trained for him by the same trainer.

Mind you he did own the dual Cup winner won as an old horse so has always been dodgy

[hunterthepunter]

4 minutes ago, Enteebee said:

 if you are mad enough to race a horse in Australia 

So many trotters 

father christmas

[Chief Stipe]

16 hours ago, Karrots said:

pick a winner & contribute on Camb thread, no bites either on the useless steward thread. 

Oh dear, Im not going to continue to be 1 of only few posting on this harness side. Ill see how next week goes and then re-assess. 

Put $50 up spread amongst the first three for a picking competition and you'll get more posters.

Often a forum is a reflection of the community thinking as a whole.  Times are tough, we have inconsistent Stipes and rulings, shyte starts and many people hurt by a vindictive INCA investigation.

So we see that angst reflected in the posts.

[Gammalite]

19 minutes ago, Enteebee said:

id you watch the race - the horse following C31 pulls out 3 wide to attack then swings wider and lets the next one come inside to have a "go" while it then drifts back to last and then tucked away on the fence - that driver will get time

Goodness me, more heads are rolling, ???  Pete McMullen now . QLD leading driver no less and a great bloke and fantastic driver of the DD type. Jumps on anything (any old horse) and gets it to go.

Get time you say ? on a 125-1 shot while he tried to get up around field to trail COLT THIRTY ONE for the last lap.

VERY UNFORTUNATELY for him Grant went to the Death seat first (pulling out of 1-1 trail) before he got round the field with KingofStars. Why travel 3 wide the last lap and GUT your horse. so he pulled back to the back of field a lap out. THINGS DON"T ALWAYS work out how you want . ...  

Does that help ?? Can you read the race better than Mikie now ?  year out for that? crazy talk? and just after Galah has the 'Goat' Mark Purdon DQed as well ,  lol...... com'on guys ... these guys drive 100's of races and not only that , THEY WIN 100's of races...... 

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Enteebee said:

So many trotters improve lengths from where they were when in NZ and owned by one man and trained for him by the same trainer.

Mind you he did own the dual Cup winner won as an old horse so has always been dodgy

I feel the dizzy heights of racing FRed may of got them a little spoilt winning the NZ cup.

Funny story with 'Red' from Tassie is Barry Rattray saw he was for sale down there in Tas , picked him up for 20k, then rang QLD and off-loaded him for 40k quite promptly !!  Easy 20k profit ??  well done him I guess.

Your man NJ did win the Trotters FFA last Sat night with McLovin (as you would know)

That qld trainer of Red is a national disgrace and is the dodgy one.  many times DQ , and ultimately is the bloke with the racing fixing 3k bet on Shane Graham and Vicki Rasmussen horse that got both them DQ 3 years ago. Arsehole

How nice to see them back !!  (Shane and Vicki) and winning with ONE CHANGE too !! as we see in thread.

 

[Mikie]

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Goodness me, more heads are rolling, ???  Pete McMullen now . QLD leading driver no less and a great bloke and fantastic driver of the DD type. Jumps on anything (any old horse) and gets it to go.

Get time you say ? on a 125-1 shot while he tried to get up around field to trail COLT THIRTY ONE for the last lap.

VERY UNFORTUNATELY for him Grant went to the Death seat first (pulling out of 1-1 trail) before he got round the field with KingofStars. Why travel 3 wide the last lap and GUT your horse. so he pulled back to the back of field a lap out. THINGS DON"T ALWAYS work out how you want . ...  

Does that help ?? Can you read the race better than Mikie now ?  year out for that? crazy talk? and just after Galah has the 'Goat' Mark Purdon DQed as well ,  lol...... com'on guys ... these guys drive 100's of races and not only that , THEY WIN 100's of races...... 

Gammalite

I can read the race just fine

I have trained nearly 300 winners, and driven a few

However I would only need to be half sober, not very bright, and have never touched a horse in my life to be able to pick up the rort in this race

Enteebee can see it, why can't you?

It is obvious, why does a flea drift out 4 wide and let a relative through?

Why does another flea attack a high class horse 3 wide when it didn't need to?

Why doesn't the guilty party's wife, driving one of the fleas, even get questioned?

We may have our issues in New Zealand but between the McCarthys, the McMullens, the Jack and Turnbulls, the hooking up in South Australia your punters are being given the proverbial finger

Can you tell me Gammalite, since you are an Australian and seem equipped to answer, how many other States or countries run Group 3 Races as Preferential Barrier Draws and how many has McCarthy (oops, sorry, Mr Cross) won in the last 6 months? Of those that he has won how many times have his horses had the best draws? It's easy to manipulate when you have a big stable and you are told what else has nominated just before Noms close isn't it?

If Mr Cross is the Trainer why does Adam Hamilton call Luke McCarthy the "co-trainer"? If he is a "co-trainer" then he has broken the Rules Of Australian Harness Racing 3 or 4 times every week

Mikie

 

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

I feel the dizzy heights of racing FRed may of got them a little spoilt winning the NZ cup.

Funny story with 'Red' from Tassie is Barry Rattray saw he was for sale down there in Tas , picked him up for 20k, then rang QLD and off-loaded him for 40k quite promptly !!  Easy 20k profit ??  well done him I guess.

Your man NJ did win the Trotters FFA last Sat night with McLovin (as you would know)

That qld trainer of Red is a national disgrace and is the dodgy one.  many times DQ , and ultimately is the bloke with the racing fixing 3k bet on Shane Graham and Vicki Rasmussen horse that got both them DQ 3 years ago. Arsehole

How nice to see them back !!  (Shane and Vicki) and winning with ONE CHANGE too !! as we see in thread.

 

I mean that that disqualified trainer is the Arsehole (not the poster person ) sorry for poor wording.

[Mikie]

Gammalite

You seem to take it personally when I ask you a question

I don't know why, it's just a question (or questions)

All I'm asking for is an answer

So far Enteebee is the only 1 who has provided any sort of answer and he's an Aussie as well I think

Well done to him, he's not as blind as you

For those not au fait with Australian line breeding, or inbreeding

Peter McMullen has been charged with unacceptable driving so I understand

His wife who drove in the race should have been as well

So should his sister as well

Chuck Shane Graham in there too

Tell me Gammalite, there was nearly $100,000 laid on Betfair for the COLT to get beat, you yourself said how great a horse he was, so tell me how clever are those that laid the $100,000? That figure is the highest wagered against any horse in any race on the whole night. Funny ain't it?

Mikie

Edited December 21, 2020 by Mikie

[Gammalite]

9 minutes ago, Mikie said:

Gammalite

I can read the race just fine

I have trained nearly 300 winners, and driven a few

However I would only need to be half sober, not very bright, and have never touched a horse in my life to be able to pick up the rort in this race

Enteebee can see it, why can't you?

It is obvious, why does a flea drift out 4 wide and let a relative through?

Why does another flea attack a high class horse 3 wide when it didn't need to?

Why doesn't the guilty party's wife, driving one of the fleas, even get questioned?

We may have our issues in New Zealand but between the McCarthys, the McMullens, the Jack and Turnbulls, the hooking up in South Australia your punters are being given the proverbial finger

Can you tell me Gammalite, since you are an Australian and seem equipped to answer, how many other States or countries run Group 3 Races as Preferential Barrier Draws and how many has McCarthy (oops, sorry, Mr Cross) won in the last 6 months? Of those that he has won how many times have his horses had the best draws? It's easy to manipulate when you have a big stable and you are told what else has nominated just before Noms close isn't it?

If Mr Cross is the Trainer why does Adam Hamilton call Luke McCarthy the "co-trainer"? If he is a "co-trainer" then he has broken the Rules Of Australian Harness Racing 3 or 4 times every week

Mikie

 

My opinion is you are reading the race poorly. COLT THIRTY ONE wasn't attacked by anyone. 

Also have explained to you previously , why Luke McCarthys name Not on trainers licence. You're not happy with it . TOO bad ! the way it is , they wouldn't be doing it if not allowed to do it Mikie.

Why family members and stablemates being in the same races is a Poison for you is sad, (for you it seems) but is Normal life and has always happened in Australia and NZ . Try and enjoy the racing !!

You ask yourself too many questions Mikie . All the enjoyment is gone for you . fleas and flea drivers ?   embarassing

 

[Mikie]

11 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

My opinion is you are reading the race poorly. COLT THIRTY ONE wasn't attacked by anyone. 

Also have explained to you previously , why Luke McCarthys name Not on trainers licence. You're not happy with it . TOO bad ! the way it is , they wouldn't be doing it if not allowed to do it Mikie.

Why family members and stablemates being in the same races is a Poison for you is sad, (for you it seems) but is Normal life and has always happened in Australia and NZ . Try and enjoy the racing !!

You ask yourself too many questions Mikie . All the enjoyment is gone for you . fleas and flea drivers ?   embarassing

 

(1) I ask too many questions? Oh really Gammalite, I've just done a search of my posts and this is the only race or drive that I have ever questioned

I also can't see where I said "flea drivers"? No doubt you can point that out to me?

The driving wasn't flea-ish, it was out and out preconceived cheating

You can't see where in the race where COLT was attacked?

Are you sure you are watching the right race? Can you even read a race?

King Ofd Swing leaves a run where he would have been 1 out and 2 back with COLT leading the outside line to rush up 3 wide and run a 28 second 3rd to last quarter 3 wide outside COLT

Why would any Driver do that?

If you are such good mates with COLT's Driver as you stated you are, give him a ring, see what he thinks

(2) As far as McCarthy being allowed to do it I don't think he is allowed to

Time will tell

Mikie

Edited December 21, 2020 by Mikie

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, Mikie said:

(1) I ask too many questions? Oh really Gammalite, I've just done a search of my posts and this is the only race or drive that I have ever questioned

I also can't see where I said "flea drivers"? No doubt you can point that out to me?

The driving wasn't flea-ish, it was out and out preconceived cheating

You can't see where in the race where COLT was attacked?

Are you sure you are watching the right race?

King Ofd Swing leaves a run whERE he would have been 1 out and 2 back with COLT leading the outside line to rush up 3 wide and run a 28 second 3rd to last quarter 3 wide outside COLT

Why would any Driver do that?

What race are you watching

(2) As far as McCarthy being allowed to do it I don't think he is allowed to

Time will tell

Mikie

King of Swing was last week mate,   personally I think Shane Graham handing up cheaply to it with 3 time G1 NZ winner TURN IT UP was a bit more questionable than this weeks Christmas Cup (as lost all chance of winning)

BUT thats just my opinion , as is this weeks race. Go Pat Enteebee on back if you think he's right.

I don't call horses fleas but go right ahead, very respectful of you. SORRY you didn't call 4 drivers in one race fleas , you just call them Cheats instead !!!  lol...... (humour Mikie humour)

You put Too many questions to answer Mikie (you must of asked near 20)  you watch race yourself as you are already calling me blind. so why bother with all the questions to me , as you are just stirring and have your own opinions , right across Australia it seems.

Maybe one day you will appreciate the participants a bit more , but for now chat to FORBURY ! he's got Great opinions!!!  and they might be the same as yours. 

 

 

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Mikie said:

Peter McMullen has been charged with unacceptable driving so I understand

Yes , have just had a look at the stewards report and Pete has a three week suspension for Unacceptable Drive.

Grant also got a $200 fine for coming out abruptly after first lap and contacting Lilac F which sent it wider on track.

So you are correct then Mikie ! the stewards saw something they didn't like!!,  as well as you.

I still don't agree with Pete being guilty of anything myself (Opinion) as was trying something that didn't work.

Apologies for last sentence of post prior as comparing your opinion with Forbury is not nice. (terrible) and apologies if any of humour not appreciated.

Agree with you about the McCarthy set up. I think they'll all be in USA soon with Andy, Todd and Luke reunited. Triton's camp went there as well this year.

Thank-you for help with Amazing Dream earlier , sorry can't help you with BetFair thing as don't know.

I do feel that Grant was trying to win the race as he always does. Would of been great.

BUT didn't do it , so congrat's to the winners anyway. A joint NZ /AUS win ! nothing better. great racing. !!

 

[Mikie]

So if anyone had an opinion that’s different to yours then they are guilty f asking too many questions?

King Of Stars then, typo

Yes Gammalite, I’m sorry, I am saying they are cheats

I note you didn’t reply to my point about COLT being attacked 3 wide in a 28second quarter, with 800 meters still to go?

I note not 1 single poster has supported you

I’m not getting at you personally, but there are so many occasions of team driving with family members and so many form reversals both ways that trotting in Ozzie is starting to smell a bit rotten

Mikie

Edited December 21, 2020 by Mikie

[Enteebee]

1 hour ago, Mikie said:

 

So far Enteebee is the only 1 who has provided any sort of answer and he's an Aussie as well I think

 

shit no 🙂 Canterbury NZ for me - and we have the same source for the info - best inside info to all the cheating 

[Gammalite]

2 hours ago, Mikie said:

His wife who drove in the race should have been as well

Trailed the leader, couldn't keep up from down the back . You're a hard marker mate!! She did something wrong too?

 

25 minutes ago, Mikie said:

I note not 1 single poster has supported you

No because I'm actually still supporting the sport and drivers. Go Mark !!!!  what a ripper he is !! (and Pete) outdrive you and me Mikie.

 

27 minutes ago, Mikie said:

28 minutes ago, Mikie said:

I note you didn’t reply to my point about COLT being attacked 3 wide in a 28second quarter, with 800 meters still to go?

 

You say i'm blind but still want my opinion on this incorrect Note of yours .??  make up your mind . Pete was already hauling his runner back to last at the 1200m mark , IMO didn't get near threatening COLT THIRTY ONE for the deathseat at the 1400m mark.

KingoftheStars and Lilac Flash were both LAST at the bell 1000m Out. 

At the 800m NO ONE was near COLT THIRTY ONE. the second placegetter BRIGHT ENERGY back in the field commenced his run at this stage but was NO WHERE near COLT THIRTY ONE .

Bright Energy came up to his wheel then switched back to inside 400m out.

Does that help ?? COLT THIRTY ONE had No-one outside him from the 1200m to the finish ???? 

Pretty lucky for him compared to usual pressure he gets ?    Are you watching the same race as me? 

DON'T believe ME if YOU don't want too. I enjoyed the race , Nice close finish AND thought that NZers would too.

That is why I posted it !!!!  Won't bother anymore as No support as you Say . just Davis. Too many haters.

[Chief Stipe]

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=AP191220&html5lightboxshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww-harness-org-au.akamaized.net%2Fqld%2FAPC19122001.mp4

 

[Chief Stipe]

23 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

DON'T believe ME if YOU don't want too. I enjoyed the race , Nice close finish AND thought that NZers would too.

That is why I posted it !!!!  Won't bother anymore as No support as you Say . just Davis. Too many haters.

I'm more aligned to your assessment than the others.  Thought the King of the Stars drive was odd but the horse wasn't travelling that well to put the heat on anything.