Jesse Alford

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, the galah said:

Not necessary if you have nothing to hide though. I would think everyone wanting a level playing field would be happy authorities are doing their job.

There you go just as I was typing a post saying someone would be bound to make this type of post.

It isn't about "having nothing to hide" it is about security and integrity and protecting your horses.  

I guess you forget the old days where the strapper would sleep in a cot outside the stable of the top horses.  There is a great story about Bonecrusher.  In the lead up to the Cox Plate one of the owners son's was tasked with doing the night shift outside Red's stable to make sure no one who wasn't approved got near the horse.  

The day's of trusting everyone has long gone.

[the galah]

9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

There you go just as I was typing a post saying someone would be bound to make this type of post.

It isn't about "having nothing to hide" it is about security and integrity and protecting your horses.  

I guess you forget the old days where the strapper would sleep in a cot outside the stable of the top horses.  There is a great story about Bonecrusher.  In the lead up to the Cox Plate one of the owners son's was tasked with doing the night shift outside Red's stable to make sure no one who wasn't approved got near the horse.  

The day's of trusting everyone has long gone.

And there you go. Suggesting some stables need protection against possible RIU visits. Maybe you need to think what you are saying means. 

Edited March 5, 2021 by the galah

[the galah]

25 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

just a small part of why someone would have a camera

i got a few cameras just in case undesirables try and thief off with any of my choice possessions

only thing i wish to hide are the brodsters telegrams with the days winners

So why all of a sudden are more people talking about security camera. Whats changed? 

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, the galah said:

And there you go. Suggesting some stables need protection against possible RIU visits. Maybe you need to think what you are saying means. 

Not suggesting any such thing.  Surely it is prudent to monitor who enters your property and particularly your stables?  Makes no difference if it is the RIU, the local P addict or even the odd errant galah.

Yeah na - what the hell who cares about the safety and integrity of millions of dollars worth of horses stabled on the property.  

[Rangatira]

3 minutes ago, the galah said:

So why all of a sudden are more people talking about security camera. Whats changed? 

the price

and the value of the brodsters tips

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, the galah said:

So why all of a sudden are more people talking about security camera. Whats changed? 

Ummmmm society outside of your keyboard?  Add to that the cheapness of technology.

I know a Raw Milk supplier.  They have installed cameras all through their milking shed.  Staff monitoring, process monitoring, QA control and identification/notification of unauthorised visitors.  The owner can monitor the cameras from his smart phone anywhere he has an internet connection.  Has proven useful when MPI has done an audit.

Take the recent feed contamination issue with Te Akau.  The CCTV review was able to identify that no unauthorised persons had access to the horse in question.

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

the price

and the value of the brodsters tips

Yeah it is so cheap nowadays that I would recommend that every major stable installed them.  The days of old where you could just wander onto a training property and walk around and pat the horses are long gone.

[Chief Stipe]

The "nothing to hide" argument is seriously flawed.  The counter is you have a lot to lose if some nefarious activity goes undetected.  Don't forget that if you have CCTV and are recording stable activity you are also providing evidence that indeed you do have nothing to hide.  The digital evidence is discoverable by the Feds.  Try explaining any gaps in the evidence!

[hunterthepunter]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

The "nothing to hide" argument is seriously flawed.  The counter is you have a lot to lose if some nefarious activity goes undetected.  Don't forget that if you have CCTV and are recording stable activity you are also providing evidence that indeed you do have nothing to hide.  The digital evidence is discoverable by the Feds.  Try explaining any gaps in the evidence!

don't they switch them off now and then

[hunterthepunter]

2 hours ago, Rangatira said:

just a small part of why someone would have a camera

i got a few cameras just in case undesirables try and thief off with any of my choice possessions

only thing i wish to hide are the brodsters telegrams with the days winners

it that to protect the Raleigh 20

[Rangatira]

34 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said:

it that to protect the Raleigh 20

chopper

[whiplash smile]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The "nothing to hide" argument is seriously flawed.  The counter is you have a lot to lose if some nefarious activity goes undetected.  Don't forget that if you have CCTV and are recording stable activity you are also providing evidence that indeed you do have nothing to hide.  The digital evidence is discoverable by the Feds.  Try explaining any gaps in the evidence!

Ask truck drivers, has to have a visible sign stating that you are being recorded????

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, whiplash smile said:

Ask truck drivers, has to have a visible sign stating that you are being recorded????

Nope.  Wrong.

[hunterthepunter]

3 hours ago, hunterthepunter said:

it that to protect the Raleigh 20

or to prectect your leather cap condom head

[whiplash smile]

59 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Nope.  Wrong.

if you are a delivery driver to a business I was told,  sounded wrong when I heard that?

[Chief Stipe]

13 minutes ago, whiplash smile said:

if you are a delivery driver to a business I was told,  sounded wrong when I heard that?

Nup.  If you walk down any city street you are on video - where are the signs?

If you are delivering to a home address there is nothing to stop you or the home owner from video recording what is happening.

There is also a misconception that you can't record a private conversation in a public place.  You can.  Where the privacy considerations kick in is if you publish it globally - i.e. on the internet.  The key is "intended purpose".

[whiplash smile]

Just now, Chief Stipe said:

Nup.  If you walk down any city street you are on video - where are the signs?

If you are delivering to a home address there is nothing to stop you or the home owner from video recording what is happening.

There is also a misconception that you can't record a private conversation in a public place.  You can.  Where the privacy considerations kick in is if you publish it globally - i.e. on the internet.  The key is "intended purpose".

It was some legal mumbo jumbo to protect the business. the guy was a fired truck driver and on some kinda drug, sweating profusely at 7 degrees is a giveaway lol! so shouldnt have taken his word for it! 

Learning something new (correct) never gets old for me.

[Rangatira]

2 hours ago, hunterthepunter said:

or to prectect your leather cap condom head

akubra more my go to

Edited March 6, 2021 by Rangatira

[hunterthepunter]

13 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

akubra more my go to

ok Lindsay

[Karrots]

Reading he and his partner have been charged by RIU.

Gosh hoping moving forward this is the last for a very long time. Can only hope.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Karrots

[Chief Stipe]

Another "Press Release" by the RIU and another re-hash of old news. 

Harness racing trainer charged after he was caught injecting horses

Sam Sherwood09:41, Mar 17 2021

 

JOE JOHNSON/STUFF

Jesse Alford was suspended last month after Racing Integrity Unit investigators caught him administering a substance to two horses. (File photo)

A Canterbury harness racing trainer caught injecting a substance into two horses has been charged by the Racing Integrity Unit (RIU).

Jesse Alford was suspended last month after RIU investigators caught him administering a substance to two horses at his stables in Woodend Beach, two hours before they were due to take the track.

Do you know more? Email sam.sherwood@stuff.co.nz

It was understood investigators also saw Alford trying to tube one of the horses, and that his partner, who did not have a training licence, was seen helping him by holding the horses.

 

Tubing is the illegal practice of inserting a rubber or plastic tube through a horse’s nose into its oesophagus, usually to administer sodium bicarbonate, which is said to improve the animal's stamina.

RIU general manager Mike Godber confirmed on Wednesday that Alford was facing three charges alleging breaches of harness racing rules. The charges were two counts of administering a prohibited substance on race day and attempting to administer a prohibited substance on race day.

His partner also faced two charges of administering a banned substance on race day.

Godber declined to comment further as the matter was with the Judicial Control Authority.

When earlier approached by Stuff, Alford, who has had eight wins in 39 starts since the start of the 2020 season, said he “wasn’t doping”.

Three horses were scratched from racing at Addington Raceway the day Alford’s stables were raided. They had since been transferred to fellow Woodend Beach trainer Cameron Jones. Jones did not respond to requests for comment.

JOHN HAWKINS/STUFF

Harness racing trainer Mitchell Kerr with Bettor Pay Me at Makarewa in 2014.

The incident came as police launched an investigation into allegations star harness racing trainer Mitchell Kerr defrauded people in the industry for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Stuffpreviously revealed the RIU was investigating claims that Kerr over-syndicated horses and charged for non-existent insurance policies.

Kerr was said to have cheated an All Black, a Black Cap and several wealthy businessmen in his scam, and was thought to have lost nearly $1 million through an Australian betting agency.

The RIU’s manager of integrity assurance, Neil Grimstone, confirmed last week the allegations had been referred to police.

Kerr handed in his training and harness driving licence to Harness Racing New Zealand in November, citing “mental health” as the reason for the break.

The now 29-year-old star had 87 wins to his credit by that time, and had won nearly $900,000 in stake money in his three-year solo training career.

[Chief Stipe]

Will the RIU or HRNZ (Woodham) get a correction to this article?  Tubing is NOT an illegal practice.  It is a common veterinarian technique for the application of therapeutic substances!  There have been many a horses life saved by tubing! 

[the galah]

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Edited March 16, 2021 by the galah

[the galah]

Just now, the galah said:

Isn't it obvious the article would be referring to the attempt to tube on the day that was observed, which is illegal. 

Good work by the RIU in this case.

 

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, the galah said:

28 minutes ago, the galah said:

Isn't it obvious the article would be referring to the attempt to tube on the day that was observed, which is illegal. 

Good work by the RIU in this case.

 

No it isn't obvious.  You are reading through a conceptual lense primed by your knowledge of the racing industry and presumably common veterinarian practice.  Your average uninformed reader wouldn't understand that.

You say "Good work by the RIU".  Can you explain their inconsistency across and within codes in publicising this information?  Why can they release information to the media and not bother to update their website with the information first?  Or it seems even notify HRNZ!?

Piss poor work in my opinion.  Who rang who first?  The Journalist or the RIU?