All The Aces Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Trentham Stipes report. 1&6 O Bosson FOOGAYZEE and SWEET ANNA $2,000 [Rule 330(3)(c)] Failure to make weight O Bosson MELODY BELLE Weighing in above weighed-out weight [Rule 648(5)(a)] Now I am sure that I saw somewhere he wasn't to take rides under a certain weight for 5 weeks I thought it was. Stipes report today at Taranaki O Bosson (QUATTRO QUINTA) – Admitted a breach under Rule 648(5) in that he weighed in 0.8kgs heavier than what he weighed out. O Bosson was fined the sum of $1000. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 55 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Trentham Stipes report. 1&6 O Bosson FOOGAYZEE and SWEET ANNA $2,000 [Rule 330(3)(c)] Failure to make weight O Bosson MELODY BELLE Weighing in above weighed-out weight [Rule 648(5)(a)] Now I am sure that I saw somewhere he wasn't to take rides under a certain weight for 5 weeks I thought it was. Stipes report today at Taranaki O Bosson (QUATTRO QUINTA) – Admitted a breach under Rule 648(5) in that he weighed in 0.8kgs heavier than what he weighed out. O Bosson was fined the sum of $1000. Something doesn’t add up does it? The Stipes need to front up and quickly in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 Found it. From the Stipes Report Counties last Sunday: Jockey O Bosson sought permission on 30 January to be released from RECONCILE in Race 6 which was granted due to weight concern. A weight restriction has been placed on Jockey O Bosson by Stipendiary Stewards in that he cannot accept rides under 57.5 kgs without first seeking prior permission. This condition is set for 4 weeks. Trainer M Brooks was granted permission to late scratch RECONCILE at 9.37 am at the request of connections. So six days later is down to ride Quattro Quinta today who is allotted 56.5kgs and weighs in heavy. wtf!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, All The Aces said: So six days later is down to ride Quattro Quinta today who is allotted 56.5kgs and weighs in heavy. I think the issue was he weighed in heavier than he weighed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I think the issue was he weighed in heavier than he weighed out. That's what I stated weighs in heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Think maybe he had a drink after weighing out . Just a guess . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, nomates said: Think maybe he had a drink after weighing out . Just a guess . Must have been a bloody big one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 7 hours ago, nomates said: Think maybe he had a drink after weighing out . Just a guess . Nearly a litre??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 13 hours ago, All The Aces said: Trentham Stipes report. 1&6 O Bosson FOOGAYZEE and SWEET ANNA $2,000 [Rule 330(3)(c)] Failure to make weight O Bosson MELODY BELLE Weighing in above weighed-out weight [Rule 648(5)(a)] Now I am sure that I saw somewhere he wasn't to take rides under a certain weight for 5 weeks I thought it was. Stipes report today at Taranaki O Bosson (QUATTRO QUINTA) – Admitted a breach under Rule 648(5) in that he weighed in 0.8kgs heavier than what he weighed out. O Bosson was fined the sum of $1000. It's an UTTER disgrace ATA... Its about Big Boys waving the stick again and it's no surprise this is Tay Akows big boy... Last week he threatened to give up riding if he got a suspension.. The JCA bent over and said "oh nooooo don't do that Opee...a fine it'll be...no probs" So wrt the HOPELESS RIU giving permission...Punters have to read between the lines with this ZERO 'transparent' outfit... If Opee's listed as a rider at that weight...Wemust accept permission has been given.. A full kg below RIU's allotted Minimum then weighing nearly a kilo over and only receiving a fine!!! Davo pays the fine...Opee doesn't threaten the industry this week...Punters screwed...Big Boys wearing the Big Boys Pants...business as normal #integritynzstyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 5 hours ago, curious said: Nearly a litre??? 800ml's = 2 cups of water and a sandwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bid Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 It wouldn't be the full 800gms though because when they weigh out there is always 300 or 400 grace they are allowed. Who is really at fault for allowing him to ride at that weight anyway, stipes made the rule so really it should fall back on them shouldn't it for not picking it up and saying no you cant do that when acceptances come out and he was declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 That's the point, though, isn't it? no-one is accountable...unless you are a battling jockey or a small trainer. Then you can be accountable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 14 hours ago, Dark Beau said: Must have been a bloody big one! 500mls of water weighs approx 1/2 kilo . He would not have weighed out right on weight , so a decent guzzle thinking he would sweat it out in the 20 mins or so before race could have taken him over . Just supposition on my part . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 I think they will have to take a stance on this not only for punter integrity but also with regard to Opie's health and safety. You saw what he was like straight after riding Melody Belle at Trentham last week. He was quite ill. Imagine him passing out on a horse during a race. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Thomass said: A full kg below RIU's allotted Minimum Obviously given permission to ride at 56.5 kg. 4 hours ago, Thomass said: weighing nearly a kilo over and only receiving a fine!! 800gms and a fine is the standard penalty. Do you have any precedent for suspension from weighing-in over weight? 4 hours ago, Thomass said: Davo pays the fine...Opee doesn't threaten the industry this week...Punters screwed...Big Boys wearing the Big Boys Pants...business as normal Te Akau wouldn't pay any Jockey's fines nor I imagine would any Trainer or Owner. Under Rule 332 (4) fines are deducted from riding fees. As for Opie "threatening the industry" well the finger should be pointed at NZTR/RIU/JCA. However as has been discussed before standards are been dropped to compensate for the declining numbers of available Jockey's due to suspension, disqualification and injury. With regard to "punters screwed" - I don't think 800gms would have made any difference to the result. Eilish McCall's riding on Ima Rocca Bee cost Quattro Quinta a couple of lengths on the turn. The Stipes didn't question her but blamed the horse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I'm sure the Mick and the Missus will talk about this on Weigh In - if they haven't already😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Obviously given permission to ride at 56.5 kg. 800gms and a fine is the standard penalty. Do you have any precedent for suspension from weighing-in over weight? Te Akau wouldn't pay any Jockey's fines nor I imagine would any Trainer or Owner. Under Rule 332 (4) fines are deducted from riding fees. As for Opie "threatening the industry" well the finger should be pointed at NZTR/RIU/JCA. However as has been discussed before standards are been dropped to compensate for the declining numbers of available Jockey's due to suspension, disqualification and injury. With regard to "punters screwed" - I don't think 800gms would have made any difference to the result. Eilish McCall's riding on Ima Rocca Bee cost Quattro Quinta a couple of lengths on the turn. The Stipes didn't question her but blamed the horse! Punters are screwed when they have backed a horse that he is riding and because he can't make the weight he is replaced. Under the rules they can't get their bet refunded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 13 hours ago, All The Aces said: Punters are screwed when they have backed a horse that he is riding and because he can't make the weight he is replaced. Under the rules they can't get their bet refunded. Fair enough but the "punters are screwed" if he phones in sick on race day. I presume in the case of Opie he would (should?) be weighed when he arrives on course and then if he can't make the minimum weight that he needs to ride on the day then he can be replaced. A serious punter would surely wait until then if their estimation of value was dependent on who rides their chosen horse. I would suggest that any serious punter would evaluate horse value in any given race based on the horse's estimated performance and notified weight not who was riding it. As for Quattro Quinta the 800gms wouldn't have made a difference to its chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 21 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Obviously given permission to ride at 56.5 kg. 800gms and a fine is the standard penalty. Do you have any precedent for suspension from weighing-in over weight? Te Akau wouldn't pay any Jockey's fines nor I imagine would any Trainer or Owner. Under Rule 332 (4) fines are deducted from riding fees. As for Opie "threatening the industry" well the finger should be pointed at NZTR/RIU/JCA. However as has been discussed before standards are been dropped to compensate for the declining numbers of available Jockey's due to suspension, disqualification and injury. With regard to "punters screwed" - I don't think 800gms would have made any difference to the result. Eilish McCall's riding on Ima Rocca Bee cost Quattro Quinta a couple of lengths on the turn. The Stipes didn't question her but blamed the horse! Of course...so why stipulate 57.5 then let him go below that...only to blatantly let him CHEAT yet again? Of course Stakeholders pay Jockey fines...listen to owner Guerin in his WI show of Dec 18th... "any Jockey of mine who knocks down another...I'll be paying their fine" Almost verbatim Opee threatened the JCA after failing to make weight on 2 horses...ABSOLUTELY nobody's fault but his unprofessional own... You "don't think" Aint that the truth...analysing Weight per seconds now are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: Of course...so why stipulate 57.5 then let him go below that...only to blatantly let him CHEAT yet again? It was stipulated that he could apply for permission to ride at less than 57.5kg's. One must assume, as there is no evidence to the contrary, that he applied for permission and it was granted. How did he blatantly "CHEAT yet again"? He obviously weighed out at the correct weight presumable plus the margin allowance but weighed in 800gms over. Taking the allowance into consideration he may have only had two cups of water before the start assuming that the efforts of the ride on a hot day would bring him back. 10 minutes ago, Thomass said: Of course Stakeholders pay Jockey fines...listen to owner Guerin in his WI show of Dec 18th... "any Jockey of mine who knocks down another...I'll be paying their fine" Almost verbatim "Almost verbatim" - yeah right! For a start there was no Weigh-In show on December 18th - that was a Friday - the shows are on a Monday. Are you saying Guerin was quoted as saying this as an owner? He should be charged for bringing racing into disrepute. Plus you were accusing Te Akau of paying Jockey fines when you have no evidence. 18 minutes ago, Thomass said: Aint that the truth...analysing Weight per seconds now are you? I'll say it again 800gms did not make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Guerin's comments - "verbatim" 14 December 2020 Weigh-In at approximately 38 mins in (I've shortened the video so it starts at 38min). Once again Thomarse your poetic license shows no bounds! Context: Discussing the NZTR recommendation to the RIU/JCA to impose fines instead of suspensions to alleviate Jockey shortage over summer carnivals. Guerin's position is that he thinks it is a good idea however to quote him "there is a flip side to this - obvious the bigger tim Jockey's riding in the bigger races have a better capacity to pay the fines.." Verbatim: ..."now I'll be completely honest with you. If I had a Jockey who won a race for me and copped a $1,000 fine then I'd pay it for them. And so would most owners who punt. I think that is the slight potential flaw with the system. Me going out and saying don't do anything dangerous don't knock anyone over but cross them squeeze up and I'll pay the $1,000 fine if you cop an extra day...." Guerin said that was a FLAW in the proposed system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Glad you finally put some work in... Opee blatantly cheats because he's desperate...ample evidence of this in his past... He's human...and under intense pressure..as witnessed by his threat to the JCA to become a house husband if he didn't get his way... So they bent over.... As for Mick I don't know Thoroughbred rules Guerin... Offering to pay fines is a BLATENT disregard of the rules... Especially when encouraging dangerous potential acts of interference in high stakes races... FFS, does he think horses are robots and one can give them a wee squeeze like a rubber duck? His Jockeys are inch perfect I guess? Disgraceful admission from an Industry Professional... He should be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute and taken off air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Glad you finally put some work in... Opee blatantly cheats because he's desperate...ample evidence of this in his past... He's human...and under intense pressure..as witnessed by his threat to the JCA to become a house husband if he didn't get his way... So they bent over.... As for Mick I don't know Thoroughbred rules Guerin... Offering to pay fines is a BLATENT disregard of the rules... Especially when encouraging dangerous potential acts of interference in high stakes races... FFS, does he think horses are robots and one can give them a wee squeeze like a rubber duck? His Jockeys are inch perfect I guess? Disgraceful admission from an Industry Professional... He should be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute and taken off air. What it shows Thomarse is that you are nothing more than an idiot and a fraud. A writer of fiction. Any reasonable sane person will listen what Guerin is saying and conclude something completely different to you. Now you are also running a fine line with the statements you are making calling Opie Bosson a cheat. Guerin quite clearly expressed his opinion on the proposition of giving Jockey's the option to take a suspension or pay a fine. Now your angst and drivel should be directed at who put forward that proposition the NZTR. You know how to contact Bernie so I suggest you write to him. I'm sure he'll listen to your rants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 9:06 PM, Chief Stipe said: I think the issue was he weighed in heavier than he weighed out. There are a couple of issues here that should/MUST be clarified by the r.i.u. 1. How did Opie manage to weigh out at 56.5 kg? Was any gear omitted at weigh out and not detected by weighing clerk? Very suspicious imho. 2. What did Opie eat/drink etc after weighing out to be 800g overweight? Apparently the horse carried its allotted weight so that makes the 800g a 'true' overweight. 3. Its very clear that Opie intentionally breached the Rules. He must have known that he would be well over when he weighed in after the race. Was he properly investigated on race-day about this? Or did the r.i.u. pull their usual trick and say, ' oh well its just Opie'.? The j.c.a. report on this could be interesting. 4. The 7 day deferrment. 7 days after this particular race would still allow him to ride Melody Belle at Te Rapa this Saturday. Do you think he was aware of this? Of course he was. So even if the j.c.a. had suspended him for this latest breach-one of many-he would still be able to ride MB at Te Rapa. A deliberate and cynical breach of the Rule. In my book...its called cheating. Opie is the one of the very best jocks EVER in NZ. But he's come to the end of it due to his body calling it quits after too much wasting etc. Look to a serious retirement announcement after Melody Belle wins on Saturday. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 This whole episode just gets smellier and smellier. According to the j.c.a. report, the trainer of the horse ( J Richards ) contacted the r.i.u. and requested that Opie be allowed to ride the horse. The r.i.u. had earlier made a ruling that he couldn't accept rides at 57.5 without permission. So did Richards give the r.i.,u an assurance that Opie would ride at 57.5? If so, clearly it was bullshit. Secondly, according to the j.c.a. report, Opie told them ( j.c.a. ) that he tried to get off the horse twice, including on the morning of the race, and was told by a 'connection' of the horse to 'get down there and do the best you can'!! What? Guess who that would have been! If the r.i.u. aren't makiing an investigation into what looks like a conspiracy to cheat then it just confirms what certain people who post on here have been saying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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