Thomass Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Notwithstanding all of that....and a load of guessing I might add.. Horace has EVERY right to expect at least some diligence around general DRUG TESTING by the hopeless RIU Even very average meetings in Australia have @30 random pre race tests... ...so after the announcemrnt of the TA positive.... Wouldnt you think the HOPELESS RIU might at least conduct pre race testing not to mention out of competition testing before the Kraka Million night?? Not one test taken pre race..and wtf knows about out of competition testing EVER! Yet @ 70% of the MINIMAL pre race tests are conducted on Sth Is. smalls WTF is that about....even Pitty can't work that one out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, Thomass said: Even very average meetings in Australia have @30 random pre race tests... That's a lie - but you have never allowed the facts to get in the way of your BS. 15 minutes ago, Thomass said: Wouldnt you think the HOPELESS RIU might at least conduct pre race testing not to mention out of competition testing before the Kraka Million night?? Cost vs outcome. The fact that the rules allow testing at anytime unannounced is a fairly big deterrent. All that aside where is the evidence of wide-spread performance enhancing drug use? Or for that matter any evidence that pre-race testing is going to detect anything that post-race testing wouldn't? Weird - you are anti-whips, happy to blind horses so they get frightened and now want to take 6 vials of blood out a horse everytime it races! Rather than hijacking yet another Topic for your delusional rants why don't you just bump one of the many Topics on the subject you have started over the years. Will save you time and the rest of us boredom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That's a lie - but you have never allowed the facts to get in the way of your BS. Cost vs outcome. The fact that the rules allow testing at anytime unannounced is a fairly big deterrent. All that aside where is the evidence of wide-spread performance enhancing drug use? Or for that matter any evidence that pre-race testing is going to detect anything that post-race testing wouldn't? Weird - you are anti-whips, happy to blind horses so they get frightened and now want to take 6 vials of blood out a horse everytime it races! No lie...go to the Racing Vic site and click on Stipe Reports ffs I gave you the case of Nigel Tiley...a very random test and one of his came within 0.1 of a positive to bi carb... ...a few months later he takes a horse to Queensland and gets fined 10k after pushing the boundaries yet again... What a seriously RIDICULOUS statement to ask "where's the evidence" when they seldom test even the basic stuff let alone out of competition Blood testing is a fact of life..the tests I used to carry out on my morning rounds were easily accepted... Get some facts into ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Thomass said: No lie...go to the Racing Vic site and click on Stipe Reports ffs We've had this debate elsewhere and you talk fictional shyte. As I said I've had enough of you hijacking Topics so will be moving these posts to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 Wtf? I was supporting Horace's contention of SFA Integrity in NZ Racing's drug testing ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Thomass said: I gave you the case of Nigel Tiley...a very random test and one of his came within 0.1 of a positive to bi carb... ONE CASE from July 2018!!! FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Thomass said: Wtf? I was supporting Horace's contention of SFA Integrity in NZ Racing's drug testing ffs The Topic was about the alleged positive returned by Vamos Bebe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 Listen mate we all know you're a Tay Arkow operative stooge but this is ridiculous ITS ALL RELATED Stakeholders have the right to expect World Class drug testing on Iconic race meetings... Especially Kraka Mill night... Whats your problem with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Thomass said: Listen mate we all know you're a Tay Arkow operative stooge but this is ridiculous Hardly but I reserve the right to provide some balance in the debate. 2 minutes ago, Thomass said: Stakeholders have the right to expect World Class drug testing on Iconic race meetings... Especially Kraka Mill night... They did get World Class drug testing. Do you have any evidence that they didnt? Not every jurisdiction pre-race tests and those that do don't all test all races nor even all major races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 Listen I understand your need to play Devils Advo... But sometimes you just have to accept the bleedin' obvious Our Drug Testing is DIABOLICAL Consistant random testing is accepted protocol throughout Class A jurisdictions... We do neither or either Apparently ZERO out of competition testing and pre race testing on an ICONIC race night is fine for a Devil? Devil's work more like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I'm with Thomas, normally when a horse returns a positive other horses from that stable when placed on race day used to get swabbed. Not a good look when members of the RIU start using the word contamination, so out of all those winners only one horse got whatever was contaminated, yeah right! They do a lot more pre race and out of competition testing in the South Island Their own records prove that. Or is the water different in Matamata 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Pitman said: I'm with Thomas, normally when a horse returns a positive other horses from that stable when placed on race day used to get swabbed. Was six not enough for you Pitty? 11 minutes ago, Pitman said: Not a good look when members of the RIU start using the word contamination, so out of all those winners only one horse got whatever was contaminated, yeah right! Any proof to the contrary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 19 hours ago, Pitman said: I'm with Thomas, normally when a horse returns a positive other horses from that stable when placed on race day used to get swabbed. Not a good look when members of the RIU start using the word contamination, so out of all those winners only one horse got whatever was contaminated, yeah right! They do a lot more pre race and out of competition testing in the South Island Their own records prove that. Or is the water different in Matamata The selective drug testing has been going on for years with a blind eye turned to certain stables results . These days there may be the development of masking drugs . Heard a whisper a few years a few years back . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Integrity said: The selective drug testing has been going on for years with a blind eye turned to certain stables results . Do have proof to substantiate that claim? 2 minutes ago, Integrity said: Heard a whisper a few years a few years back . From whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Do have proof to substantiate that claim? From whom? Like I said it was a whisper but the silence was deafening . Opportunity lost . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Integrity said: Like I said it was a whisper but the silence was deafening . Opportunity lost . Yeah and there are Martians walking amongst us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yeah and there are Martians walking amongst us. Quite right Chief everything is ship shape . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Integrity said: Quite right Chief everything is ship shape . Where's the proof that it isn't with regard to performance enhancing drug use in the NZ Thoroughbred Racing industry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Where's the proof that it isn't with regard to performance enhancing drug use in the NZ Thoroughbred Racing industry? Sadly veterinary source no longer with us RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 The Cobolt fairy tale episode has left a very sour taste in many peoples mouths. It was simply not plausible in the minds of the majority I spoke to, but our regulators thought it a cute bedtime story and ran with it. That has now set the standard for what the suits will accept. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: The Cobolt fairy tale episode has left a very sour taste in many peoples mouths. It was simply not plausible in the minds of the majority I spoke to, but our regulators thought it a cute bedtime story and ran with it. That has now set the standard for what the suits will accept. Why was it not plausible? I assume you are referring to the O'Sullivan Cobalt charge? I gather you are not a "poppy seed" believer either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 You would be 100% correct on both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: You would be 100% correct on both. So in your opinion why is the poppy seed reason not plausible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why was it not plausible? I assume you are referring to the O'Sullivan Cobalt charge? I gather you are not a "poppy seed" believer either? Wait a minute, are you serious do you think the cobalt trough story was legit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, Huey said: Wait a minute, are you serious do you think the cobalt trough story was legit? I believe it was a plausible explanation and there has been no evidence to say otherwise. In my opinion the "Cobalt Issue" across both the OZ and NZ racing jurisdiction has been mishandled by the authorities and a number of trainers unfairly treated. Peter Moody for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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