Complaints about Journalists - MVB and Sherwood

[Chief Stipe]

Hi

I'm motivated to make a complaint about some of the inaccuracies in MVB and Sherwood's reporting on the Harness industry.

The process is to first complain to the editorial management of The Press. 

CPL-NewsDirectors@fairfaxmedia.co.nz

Then if you are not satisfied with the response or lack of action then you can make a complaint to The Media Council, NZ.

https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/complaints#:~:text=Complaints should be lodged via,writing to the Media Council .

Cheeers
Chief Stipe

[Newmarket]

Yes I am gonna complain, they are not doing enough. 

[Chief Stipe]

49 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Yes I am gonna complain, they are not doing enough. 

Bullshit.  It is obvious you have no interest in Harness Racing.

[Chief Stipe]

It's obvious that MVB and Sherwood are anti racing.  The fact that they are being fed from within the industry pisses me off.  Just as those that infer wrong doing but don't have the balls to post any substance.

[LongOwner]

BBC's deceit over Diana interview worsened my parents' relationship - William

 

Illustrates the untruth and shameful press which MVB is a member.

No one in the press can be trusted .

[Chief Stipe]

MVB has retired from Journalism.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/125205470/columnist-dubbed-thinking-mans-redneck-bows-out-after-17-years?cid=app-android

[Jones]

42 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

MVB has retired from Journalism.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/125205470/columnist-dubbed-thinking-mans-redneck-bows-out-after-17-years?cid=app-android

Remember saying that in order for this to stop journo is to have to wait for him to retire as he isn’t far from retirement age. Do hope that the other 1 that writes regularly STILL publishes the wrong doings. They DO need to be told. BUT only ONCE or TWICE max same story. NOT 10 TIMES OTT thing we have been getting.

Here is a personal story how this OTT 10 times reporting same story has directly effected me.

Last weekend, with a school friend & her partner in car on way to dinner at Mount Maunganui. Friends partner says so “how have you been Karrots?”. Me “good blah, blah, oh & I brought another harness horse”.

Friends partner - “don’t you have to cheat to win?”

Me stunned by reply didn’t know what to say, so just murmured “hmmm”, wasn’t in mood to explain that it is likely only a small handful of cheats out of hundreds of honest participates, so just switched convo up to mention Jewels. “Actually there is a big race meeting coming up called the Jewels”.

Them - “cool, any group 1’s?”.

Me - “YES ALL OF THEM, big fun day, have got a dress ready”.

Them - “Nice sounds like a great day”.  Then the subject switched to a different topic.

This is what I wanted to highlight here. Them - “don’t you have to cheat to win?”

Is this what people in society think? Wonder what percentage of people think this? Made me feel like I am associated to a SLEAZY industry that is borderline underworld. And I am under no illusion as to where this type of thinking has come from.

As a result will now be thinking twice moving forward about enthusiastically talking about MY harness horses. Just something I'm now aware of is a very negative tone out there in society. This person is def not someone that would be trying to put me down or be mean or anything, just obviously something that was the first thing that come to their mind when I said HARNESS HORSE.

Going to something like a 1 off event e.g. Jewels where people get dressed up socialise, have a drink & try to pick a winner for the day, is different from an active regular involvement by owning a horse & therefore being somewhat associated to an industry.

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Jones said:

 

Here is a personal story how this OTT 10 times reporting same story has directly effected me.

Last weekend, with a school friend & her partner in car on way to dinner at Mount Maunganui. Friends partner says so “how have you been Karrots?”. Me “good blah, blah, oh & I brought another harness horse”.

Friends partner - “don’t you have to cheat to win?”

Me stunned by reply didn’t know what to say, so just murmured “hmmm”, wasn’t in mood to explain that it is likely only a small handful of cheats out of hundreds of honest participates, so just switched convo up to mention Jewels. “Actually there is a big race meeting coming up called the Jewels”.

Them - “cool, any group 1’s?”.

Me - “YES ALL OF THEM, big fun day, have got a dress ready”.

Them - “Nice sounds like a great day”.  Then the subject switched to a different topic.

This is what I wanted to highlight here. Them - “don’t you have to cheat to win?”

Is this what people in society think? Wonder what percentage of people think this? Made me feel like I am associated to a SLEAZY industry that is borderline underworld. And I am under no illusion as to where this type of thinking has come from.

As a result will now be thinking twice moving forward about enthusiastically talking about MY harness horses. Just something I'm now aware of is a very negative tone out there in society. This person is def not someone that would be trying to put me down or be mean or anything, just obviously something that was the first thing that come to their mind when I said HARNESS HORSE.

Going to something like a 1 off event e.g. Jewels where people get dressed up socialise, have a drink & try to pick a winner for the day, is different from an active regular involvement by owning a horse & therefore being somewhat associated to an industry.

What that conversation reflected is the failure of industry leaders to get the right message out there.

I've said it before ,and am saying it again. Its a good thing that the cheats are being caught,and that is the reason why harness racing is currently one of the most honest sports to be involved in..

Thats what i think your answer should have been karrots,thats what everyones,including industry leaders should be.  Anyone involved in harness racing should welcome such questions,as its an opportunity to paint a more accurate picture of the industry.

No one within the industry should have reason to feel uncomfortable about receiving such questions. It should be the opposite.  

Edited May 21, 2021 by the galah

[Brodie]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

MVB has retired from Journalism.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/125205470/columnist-dubbed-thinking-mans-redneck-bows-out-after-17-years?cid=app-android

Hope MVB enjoys his spell from journalism!

Probably be just like the Purdon/Rasmussen spell from racing!!!

Sherwood is his understudy, so I wouldnt be thinking much will change!

 

 

 

 

 

[Jones]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

What that conversation reflected is the failure of industry leaders to get the right message out there.

I've said it before ,and am saying it again. Its a good thing that the cheats are being caught,and that is the reason why harness racing is currently one of the most honest sports to be involved in..

Thats what i think your answer should have been karrots,thats what everyones,including industry leaders should be.  Anyone involved in harness racing should welcome such questions,as its an opportunity to paint a more accurate picture of the industry.

No one within the industry should have reason to feel uncomfortable about receiving such questions. It should be the opposite.  

The voice of reason there Galah as usual. In hindsight & with time to think of a response oppose being Jonny on the spot is much easier. However I do like it. So YES, great idea. Next time I will launch in, with this message. 

They are cracking down on cheats e.g. or something along those lines hehe. 

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, the galah said:

I've said it before ,and am saying it again. Its a good thing that the cheats are being caught,and that is the reason why harness racing is currently one of the most honest sports to be involved in..

But your view is part of the problem - it is negative even though you try to paint it as a positive.  Isn't the more important metric the one that shows that with the thousands of swabs taken each year there have been very very few positives returned?  Has there been one this season?

With the millions and millions of dollars of industry and taxpayer money spent on the INCA investigation there has been no evidence of widespread corruption or race fixing.  Aren't we still waiting for a result?

Essentially there is no evidence of widespread corruption.  Yet we hang out to dry individuals who committed non harness racing crimes and who were dealt with through the court system.  In effect we magnify any reputational damage done by association i.e. we negatively market the sport for no gain.

3 hours ago, the galah said:

Thats what i think your answer should have been karrots,thats what everyones,including industry leaders should be.  Anyone involved in harness racing should welcome such questions,as its an opportunity to paint a more accurate picture of the industry.

No it shouldn't have been Karrot's answer because if focuses on the negative.  The answer should have been that Harness Racing is as clean as any sport and after years of investigation no widespread cheating or corruption has been found.  The focus shouldn't have been that the cheats are being caught but the fact that there are very very few.

We seem to have this protestant self flagellating view of ourselves and that we need to apologise for what is a legitimate industry.  This attitude is archaic and harks back to the days were concessions were made to appease the puritanical amongst society.  It is a carry over from the Temperance movement.

Racing has a negative image full stop and NOTHING has ever been done to alter that image or perception.  Where is the positive marketing?  We see it day in day out with Lotto but how is gambling on racehorses (supposedly a game of skill) any worse than paying large amounts to play a game of chance?

What's more Racing constantly does dumb things that creates and focuses negativity.  The administration of the sport seems to be a constant game of taking the foot out of the mouth and shooting it!  For example the dumb unworkable whip rules.

Or the harness horse rehoming programme.  Why even attempt something that is impossible to achieve or even appease the do gooders?  Can the industry rehome every horse forever?  No it can't nor should it be expected to nor should it try to give the impression that it will.  Is a horse any more a sentient being than a dairy cow?  A dairy cow is kept in an unnatural condition of continuous lactation and when the volume of milk it produces declines is sent to the works.  Is the dairy industry going to rehome millions of dairy cows each year to see out their lives on a nice green pasture with hard feeding during the winter?

WHERE IS THE POSITIVE PROMOTION OF THE SPORT OF HARNESS RACING?  Instead of ads promoting the propping up of the TAB why aren't we seeing the promotion of the positives of racing?

What do we see instead?  Silence when we get shafted by a biased journalist(s) and the production of a pathetic social media code of conduct to stop anyone having an opinion.  What a brilliant focus of resources!!!

[Enteebee]

12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

MVB has retired from Journalism.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/125205470/columnist-dubbed-thinking-mans-redneck-bows-out-after-17-years?cid=app-android

you didnt read this correctly - it was his last editorial type column - not retiring from journalism - might even have more time to write harness racing promotional stories

 

[the galah]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

But your view is part of the problem - it is negative even though you try to paint it as a positive.  Isn't the more important metric the one that shows that with the thousands of swabs taken each year there have been very very few positives returned?  Has there been one this season?

With the millions and millions of dollars of industry and taxpayer money spent on the INCA investigation there has been no evidence of widespread corruption or race fixing.  Aren't we still waiting for a result?

Essentially there is no evidence of widespread corruption.  Yet we hang out to dry individuals who committed non harness racing crimes and who were dealt with through the court system.  In effect we magnify any reputational damage done by association i.e. we negatively market the sport for no gain.

No it shouldn't have been Karrot's answer because if focuses on the negative.  The answer should have been that Harness Racing is as clean as any sport and after years of investigation no widespread cheating or corruption has been found.  The focus shouldn't have been that the cheats are being caught but the fact that there are very very few.

We seem to have this protestant self flagellating view of ourselves and that we need to apologise for what is a legitimate industry.  This attitude is archaic and harks back to the days were concessions were made to appease the puritanical amongst society.  It is a carry over from the Temperance movement.

Racing has a negative image full stop and NOTHING has ever been done to alter that image or perception.  Where is the positive marketing?  We see it day in day out with Lotto but how is gambling on racehorses (supposedly a game of skill) any worse than paying large amounts to play a game of chance?

What's more Racing constantly does dumb things that creates and focuses negativity.  The administration of the sport seems to be a constant game of taking the foot out of the mouth and shooting it!  For example the dumb unworkable whip rules.

Or the harness horse rehoming programme.  Why even attempt something that is impossible to achieve or even appease the do gooders?  Can the industry rehome every horse forever?  No it can't nor should it be expected to nor should it try to give the impression that it will.  Is a horse any more a sentient being than a dairy cow?  A dairy cow is kept in an unnatural condition of continuous lactation and when the volume of milk it produces declines is sent to the works.  Is the dairy industry going to rehome millions of dairy cows each year to see out their lives on a nice green pasture with hard feeding during the winter?

WHERE IS THE POSITIVE PROMOTION OF THE SPORT OF HARNESS RACING?  Instead of ads promoting the propping up of the TAB why aren't we seeing the promotion of the positives of racing?

What do we see instead?  Silence when we get shafted by a biased journalist(s) and the production of a pathetic social media code of conduct to stop anyone having an opinion.  What a brilliant focus of resources!!!

Same old same old. At least you put forward what you think are solutions i suppose. Strange how my view of what is basic common sense and logic is the opposite of yours on a lot of these issues.

I suggest how to turn a negative into a positive,where as you seem to deny the negative ever existed.

From what you say it appears we may have many similar views of where society is at ,and what paths it may be heading down.I just think applying that thinking to the harness racing industry is actually over thinking the current issues.

Things should be simple. Sometimes it should be easy to recognise right from wrong. Things normally need to come to a head before the problem is dissected and dealt with.Your view just leads to putting things off,and that approach just leads to the same issues rearing their head in the future.

[Chief Stipe]

9 hours ago, the galah said:

I suggest how to turn a negative into a positive,where as you seem to deny the negative ever existed.

 

I haven't denied anything but I have pointed out the facts.  Which is with all the millions spent on Inca and the millions spent on the RIU the number of "cheats" in the Harness industry numbers TWO.  

9 hours ago, the galah said:

Things should be simple. Sometimes it should be easy to recognise right from wrong. Things normally need to come to a head before the problem is dissected and dealt with.Your view just leads to putting things off,and that approach just leads to the same issues rearing their head in the future.

But you exaggerate the problems and do nothing to enhance the image of the industry.  You obviously belong to the archaic belief system that harness racing (racing in general) has to be holier than thou and beyond all reproach more than any other sector of society.  All that belief system does it set the industry up to fail for all the wrong reasons.