The Centaur Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 THe soft track will suit the No.2 Japanese hope DEEP BOND. THe Japanese have been trying for yonks to win the race and so far just like NZ (Balmerino) seconds. Best heavy stats with Tarnawa and Broome ok too but Deep Bond beat Broome last start. Deep Bond currently 26:1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Great night, morning watching the ARC and the other races, marvellous to see the mighty Iffraaj was the grand sire of two winners during the day, both gr1, Zellie, won the Marcel Boussac, by Wootten Bassett, and A Case Of You, Prix L'Abbaye, who is by Hot Streak. What a loss to NZ, Iffraaj, just bloody magnificent ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Torquator Tasso at 80-1 pulls off one of biggest shocks in Arc history Outsider beats fancied Taranwa and Hurricane Lane Remarkable victory for German trainer in only second year Greg Wood at Longchamp @Greg_Wood_ Sun 3 Oct 2021 15.28 BST For just the third time in 100 runnings of the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe, a horse trained in Germany was first across the line on Sunday, to the great surprise of almost every racegoer at Longchamp, and punters across Europe and beyond. Torquator Tasso and Rene Piechulek were 69-1 shots on the French Tote and 80-1 with British bookmakers to win one of the strongest Arcs for many years, but chased down the better-fancied Tarnawa and Hurricane Lane well inside the final furlong to win by three-quarters of a length. Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe: Torquator Tasso wins in huge shock – as it happened Read more This was an Arc that confounded expectations from start to finish. Adayar, the Derby winner, and Japan’s big hope, Chrono Genesis were drawn wide in 11 and 14 respectively, but somehow found their way to the front with a mile still to run, in Chrono Genesis’s case after racing alone in the middle of the track for the first three furlongs under Oisin Murphy. They were still first and second on the final turn, and William Buick soon kicked Adayar into a useful lead, challenging the field to pick up and catch him on heavy, holding ground. He was just in front with a furlong to run but Hurricane Lane, the St Leger winner, and Dermot Weld’s mare Tarnawa were closing and finally got to him half a furlong from the post. All the while, though, the yellow colours of Torquator Tasso had been staying on steadily on their outside, and just as it seemed two of the favourites would fight out the finish, Piechulek swamped the pair of them with an irresistible final drive for the line. The result was met with stunned silence in the grandstand, and Piechulek and Marcel Weiss – Torquator Tasso’s trainer, who is only in his second year with a licence – were struggling to absorb their achievement in the moments after the race. “I still can’t put it into words,” Weiss said, a few minutes after securing only the third Arc success for Germany after Star Appeal in 1975 and Danedream in 2011. “I can’t really digest it, I’m stumbling for words. We started to plan for the Arc last winter. Before the Arc, he had produced some very good performances, he was a Group One winner, and even though I thought this was the strongest Arc of the last few years, I thought he deserved to start. We would have been very happy if he had finished third, fourth, fifth or sixth, that would have been a success. The ground came in our favour, and then the race went as we wanted.” Piechulek was riding in the Arc for the first time and could not have wished for a smoother debut. “I’m very honoured that I was able to ride in such a race,” he said. “I think it’s going to be tomorrow before I realise what it really means. There was not a lot of pace in the race and I tried to get a position towards the leading horses so that when we got to the final straight I could really launch my horse. He’s a horse that gets better and faster the longer the straight, so I wanted to make use of it.” This was the third Group One success of Torquator Tasso’s career but his first outside Germany, which gave punters very little to go on beforehand in terms of form to tie him in with horses such as Adayar, Hurricane Lane and Tarnawa. After more than 20mm of rain in less than 24 hours at Longchamp, though, a handful of backers at least may have taken a chance on his stout German pedigree, as the stallion Adlerflug – also the sire of last year’s German-trained Arc runner‑up, In Swoop – is as strong an influence for stamina as you could find. This was still one of the biggest surprises in Arc history, however, and Charlie Appleby, the trainer of both Hurricane Lane and Adayar, was among those trying to make sense of it all afterwards. “William said unfortunately his horse has jumped and he had to go on the front end because he was never going to get any cover,” Appleby said. “He didn’t like that ground but it was another brave performance by the horse, and he showed his class there travelling into the straight when he was trying to pick up. “At one stage it looked like [Hurricane Lane] was going to produce a run that was potentially going to win an Arc but full credit to the winner, we knew it was going to be a gruelling race at the finish, and that’s what it was.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torquator Tasso at 80-1 pulls off one of biggest shocks in Arc history Outsider beats fancied Taranwa and Hurricane Lane Remarkable victory for German trainer in only second year
Chief Stipe Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Thankfully @Thomass is still sulking as we would get a repeat diatribe on how good German racing is! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Paid $123 on the tote here . Good on the connections , gives everyone hope . I recorded it and watched it this morning , i found it interesting that they have betting on a number of venues but choose not to show some races when there is clearly enough time . I watched the big Aus meetings on Saturday and a number of times they left straight after the running of a big G1 to show a non descript race somewhere , yet watching this mornings races they missed a race to give a 10min lead in to the Arc , and ok i can go with it , but then we don't even get 5 mins after the race , cut to some crap replay thingy before the jockey has even returned to scale , all very peculiar , don't know who is in charge of production but obviously it was just another race to them , what's the Prix de L'arq de Triomphe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 Quite a few lessons to take in. Never discount the German horses. With motor sport they ensure international result reviews are broadcast in NZ media probably by paying for it. The high salaried NZ managers seem too busy counting their cash to bother following that angle. Racing and Sports have all the stat information around the world yet didn't show the Germany's runner's form. Good article here https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/liz-price/27-September-2021/torquator-tasso-out-to-rewrite-arc-lyrics where the trainer seemed very confident running a place and happy with "cut" in the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 43 minutes ago, nomates said: I recorded it and watched it this morning , i found it interesting that they have betting on a number of venues but choose not to show some races when there is clearly enough time . But how stupid is this lot? How many of those BS races from unknown places had refunded betting or abandoned races because no one was interested? Quality still holds court in my opinion anyway over BS dross from some AWT racing Quarter Horses in bogan USA. No race programmers left at TAB NZ just a computer system rolling out races and computer generated races. Yet they still have a bunch of overpaid executives the only difference now is they are just IT supervisors! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 The only out i will give them is that they may be dictated by the feed coming from Aus , that doesn't absolve them for Saturdays display , leaving straight after major G1's without giving the after race , to go to some anything race is reprehensible for a racing channel , especially when we have the other channel for the banal racing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 33 minutes ago, nomates said: The only out i will give them is that they may be dictated by the feed coming from Aus , that doesn't absolve them for Saturdays display , leaving straight after major G1's without giving the after race , to go to some anything race is reprehensible for a racing channel , especially when we have the other channel for the banal racing . Yep and they went to a studio guy in NZ who just said all the cliches. Meanwhile the Ozzie commentators were available! There is zero understanding at TAB NZ of the local market. Just pump out more races from nowhere land and hope some recidivist losing punter keeps punting. That's no way to create a sustainable market. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: But how stupid is this lot? How many of those BS races from unknown places had refunded betting or abandoned races because no one was interested? Quality still holds court in my opinion anyway over BS dross from some AWT racing Quarter Horses in bogan USA. No race programmers left at TAB NZ just a computer system rolling out races and computer generated races. Yet they still have a bunch of overpaid executives the only difference now is they are just IT supervisors! I suggested to the TAB that with COVID and casinos closed, limited or even unpopular it would not cost much to turn 10am-3am slot on Trackside channels into sort of a racing casino concentrating on entertainment rather than turnover. I always believe turnover comes of its own accord. Clearly however the TAB has no intention of being innovative but rather determined to run racing into the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Just now, The Centaur said: I suggested to the TAB that with COVID and casinos closed, limited or even unpopular it would not cost much to turn 10am-3am slot on Trackside channels into sort of a racing casino concentrating on entertainment rather than turnover. I always believe turnover comes of its own accord. Clearly however the TAB has no intention of being innovative but rather determined to run racing into the ground. I think I agree with your post. But the issue is TAB NZ has abdicated marketing and code promotion to the codes. That is they have made their own balance sheet look better by giving the function to someone else. Even though the revenue comes from the same source! The moment you disconnect your revenue source from your marketing your are fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Their biggest problem and i have said this ad nauseam , they think all the regular punters have gambling problems and that we are all just sitting waiting for the next race to waste our money on , and will bet on anything . A smart business would look and realise that these shite races aren't producing , so lets re organize to maximize . But they have been doing the same thing for so long now they can't see the woods from the trees . It's like NZTR , they know we are leaking horses overseas and as a consequence our racing is being diluted but have no idea how to slow the loss of horse sales down or retain horses here . OR , OR , simply don't care . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) On 10/4/2021 at 2:27 PM, nomates said: The only out i will give them is that they may be dictated by the feed coming from Aus , that doesn't absolve them for Saturdays display , leaving straight after major G1's without giving the after race , to go to some anything race is reprehensible for a racing channel , especially when we have the other channel for the banal racing . Once NZ racing is finished the TAB crew probably go home and what you see is coming from Oz, it don't change the fact though it is annoying when one or two of those big races in West Australia with all the hype, as soon as it's finished it's bang over to Wentworth Park or whatever for a 5 dog race with a pool of 364 bucks, not very professional, I actually enjoy some of the gallops from Perth. Edited October 5, 2021 by mikeynz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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